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  • scottybuzz
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    • May 2006
    • 14799

    #1

    How long After you build a blog does it take for serious hits to come through?

    Ive heard a lot of people tell me, just wait until the second month you shall gets hits then, or wait until the 3rd month, thats when the search eginnes pick you up.

    But how long would you say for serious hits as in 100+ se hits to the blog per day?

    at the moment on all my blogs I am getting little trickles of traffic, they are all a month old round about. Update once every 3 days at least. custom
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  • tranza
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    • Jun 2003
    • 57559

    #2
    At least 6 months.
    I'm just a newbie.

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    • OG LennyT
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      • Jun 2003
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      #3
      at least 6-12 months for decent SE traffic - depending on how many 'pages' you build
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      • scottybuzz
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • May 2006
        • 14799

        #4
        6 months for 100 hits a day?

        Wow not what I expected at all.

        Thanks, any more opinions?
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        • steved
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          • Nov 2003
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          #5
          It depends on which sites link to your blog. If you have high PR pages one-way linked to the blog, you can get SE fast.

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          • scottybuzz
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • May 2006
            • 14799

            #6
            Originally posted by steved
            It depends on which sites link to your blog. If you have high PR pages one-way linked to the blog, you can get SE fast.
            kk Thanks.
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            • fris
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              #7
              try and get some decent link backs
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              • pornguy
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                • Mar 2003
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                #8
                I was at 100 hits a day in 4 months. Just update EVERY day, 1 time a day with custom updates.


                I do mine a week in advance.
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                • CIVMatt
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                  • Aug 2004
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                  #9
                  without Jace = 6 months

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                  • stickyfingerz
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 24984

                    #10
                    Feel free to add your link Scotty www.linksboy.com If you want a featured spot just drop me an email with the domain names.

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                    • JD
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                      • Sep 2003
                      • 22651

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pornguy
                      I was at 100 hits a day in 4 months. Just update EVERY day, 1 time a day with custom updates.


                      I do mine a week in advance.

                      4 months? you're doing something VERY wrong. by 4 months the blog should be AT LEAST 1k/day

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                      • themachinelavene
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                        • Mar 2006
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                        #12
                        # & quality of backlinks, niche & keywords targeted all come into play...i've had a blog start getting good SE traffic within 6 weeks...others have taken 3-4 months
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                        • Gasper

                          #13
                          a week or so

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                          • just a punk
                            So fuckin' bored
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 32393

                            #14
                            For 100se hits a day? Not more than 1 month. And you even don't have to update your blog manually - just a few optimization things however. Also be sure to get some incoming PR links.

                            P.S. 4,6 or even 2 months to get 100se hits a day is a waste of time
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                            • Varius
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                              • Jun 2004
                              • 6890

                              #15
                              My Anaheim Ducks blog is in week 5 of its existence and I'm getting about 180 uniques/day now. About 120/day of those come from Google, while I'm only starting to see a few come in from Yahoo, AOL and MSN in the past week.

                              I do have a few sites linking to me, but none with high PR (and my site's PR has yet to be updated and is still PR0).

                              I do already rank in the top 10-20 for many combinations of ducks/hockey keywords and player names.

                              Since this is the off season, I'd expect that traffic to increase once the season starts. All posts are custom done by me.
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                              • scottybuzz
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • May 2006
                                • 14799

                                #16
                                Originally posted by pornguy
                                I was at 100 hits a day in 4 months. Just update EVERY day, 1 time a day with custom updates.


                                I do mine a week in advance.
                                Thanks
                                Originally posted by CIVMatt
                                without Jace = 6 months

                                with Jace = 2 months
                                Couple of my blogs Jace has done, it will be interesting to see how those compare with the ones I have set up
                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                Feel free to add your link Scotty www.linksboy.com If you want a featured spot just drop me an email with the domain names.
                                I added one of my links to there. I will add the others when I start sumbitting again.I will look into the featured spot definitley
                                Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                4 months? you're doing something VERY wrong. by 4 months the blog should be AT LEAST 1k/day
                                hmm yeh, i would have thought 4 months custom updates each day for 100 hits of se traffic is pretty poor
                                Originally posted by themachinelavene
                                # & quality of backlinks, niche & keywords targeted all come into play...i've had a blog start getting good SE traffic within 6 weeks...others have taken 3-4 months
                                Got a blog thats 3 weeks old and getting 20 se hits a day which is quite nice, but I am definitley after bigger fish.

                                Originally posted by cyberxxx
                                For 100se hits a day? Not more than 1 month. And you even don't have to update your blog manually - just a few optimization things however. Also be sure to get some incoming PR links.

                                P.S. 4,6 or even 2 months to get 100se hits a day is a waste of time
                                Gottcha. So definitley I am under performing if I am on 20 se hits a day on a 3 week old blog. Got some work to do.



                                Thanks all for your answers.
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                                • scottybuzz
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • May 2006
                                  • 14799

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Varius
                                  My Anaheim Ducks blog is in week 5 of its existence and I'm getting about 180 uniques/day now. About 120/day of those come from Google, while I'm only starting to see a few come in from Yahoo, AOL and MSN in the past week.

                                  I do have a few sites linking to me, but none with high PR (and my site's PR has yet to be updated and is still PR0).

                                  I do already rank in the top 10-20 for many combinations of ducks/hockey keywords and player names.

                                  Since this is the off season, I'd expect that traffic to increase once the season starts. All posts are custom done by me.
                                  Thats very nice numbers indeed with a good potential. However dont you feel you are targetting easier keywords, with for example the names of the hockey players, compared to adult keywords? May that be playing a factor in any of this, or do you think getting those keywords is harder?
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                                  • Flynn
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                                    • Jan 2002
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                                    #18
                                    I was getting 200 hits a day after about 2/3 weeks.
                                    blah blah blah

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                                    • Varius
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                                      • Jun 2004
                                      • 6890

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                      Thats very nice numbers indeed with a good potential. However dont you feel you are targetting easier keywords, with for example the names of the hockey players, compared to adult keywords? May that be playing a factor in any of this, or do you think getting those keywords is harder?
                                      Depending how niche your adult keywords are, I would agree mainstream and hockey are definitely less competitive to get ranked for.

                                      Then again, the terms are less searched and get less traffic. For example, I may rank on page 1 for a term that only brings me 5 uniques a day, while you might rank on page 5 for an adult term that brings you 10 uniques a day

                                      My tip is focus on getting ranked high for many less-competitive terms and the sum of them each getting you 5 hits here, 10 hits there should add up. I get no more than 10 uniques or so daily on any one keyword or term, but I rank for many different terms.

                                      There is a WP plugin that lets you easily set a title ad keywords per posting, which I think helps to this objective (I barely use any plugins but its one of them).
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                                      • fris
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                                        • Aug 2002
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                                        #20
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                                        • NTM
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                                          • Jul 2006
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                                          #21
                                          It all depends on the optimization.

                                          One of my blogs was getting 4k SE hits after a week.

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                                          • tony299
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                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 57021

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by CIVMatt
                                            without Jace = 6 months

                                            with Jace = 2 months
                                            He does do a good job.

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                                            • scottybuzz
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • May 2006
                                              • 14799

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Varius
                                              Depending how niche your adult keywords are, I would agree mainstream and hockey are definitely less competitive to get ranked for.

                                              Then again, the terms are less searched and get less traffic. For example, I may rank on page 1 for a term that only brings me 5 uniques a day, while you might rank on page 5 for an adult term that brings you 10 uniques a day

                                              My tip is focus on getting ranked high for many less-competitive terms and the sum of them each getting you 5 hits here, 10 hits there should add up. I get no more than 10 uniques or so daily on any one keyword or term, but I rank for many different terms.

                                              There is a WP plugin that lets you easily set a title ad keywords per posting, which I think helps to this objective (I barely use any plugins but its one of them).
                                              Thanks alot, do you have a link? Last time I checked there were too many plugins to do with seo, for me to activley find one I would know how to use

                                              Originally posted by Fris
                                              if you want i can add you to www.squirtingblog.org
                                              Thanks for the offer, but that has nothing to do with my blogs, (wrong niche) Surely if its the wrong niche, that would help, but not as much?
                                              Originally posted by NTM
                                              It all depends on the optimization.

                                              One of my blogs was getting 4k SE hits after a week.
                                              Really? Well congrats man, I am definitley not getting that! Even on all my blogs combined! Let us know the secrets lol

                                              By the way thanks for everyone who answered, keep them coming yo
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                                              • scottybuzz
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                                                • May 2006
                                                • 14799

                                                #24
                                                Bump for *Biz* Topic
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                                                • TheSenator
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                                                  • Feb 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  I get over 25,000+ unique hits a day without skim. I have been updating consistently since July 2005.
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                                                  • TheSenator
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                                                    • Feb 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    There is no subsitute for smart work.
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                                                    • Michaelious
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                                                      • Jan 2004
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                                                      #27
                                                      Surely it depends on the topics and the style of writing.

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                                                      • scottybuzz
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                                                        • May 2006
                                                        • 14799

                                                        #28
                                                        Thats very impressive the senator, how long did it take for you to get 1k a day?
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                                                        • Jace
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                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                          • 35562

                                                          #29
                                                          hey man, do me a favor and email me the rss links to all your blogs

                                                          I will throw them in all my social bookmarking sites, and they will auto update for you into all my sites

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                                                          • TeenSluts
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                                                            • Mar 2006
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                                                            #30
                                                            wow senator... nice!!!

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                                                            • zeruel
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                                                              • Apr 2007
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                                                              #31
                                                              it would really depend...

                                                              i would say 2-3months...

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                                                              • baddog
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                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                • 107089

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by NTM
                                                                It all depends on the optimization.

                                                                One of my blogs was getting 4k SE hits after a week.
                                                                you are so full of shit your eyes are brown

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                                                                • camuk19
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                                                                  • May 2007
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  One of my blogs has been up for just over 2 months now, gets around 300+ SE hits a day, took a while to get to that though.

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                                                                  • valetudo
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                                                                    • Jun 2007
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    One has been up for about a month - maybe 20-30 SE hits a day. About 200 hits a day entirely. I'm new, learning as I go and trying to do everything for myself except blog designs.
                                                                    Last edited by valetudo; 08-01-2007, 07:20 AM.

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                                                                    • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                      • Jan 2005
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      I'm glad people are getting good traffic so fast, but with Google, I've always found that it takes 6-12 months to really start pulling in good traffic. Google likes older domains and the longer yours ages, the better it will do.

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                                                                      • teg0
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                                                                        • Jan 2006
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        I wouldn't worry about it, I'd just keep posting regularly. 6 months is a good estimate.

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                                                                        • Varius
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                          Thanks alot, do you have a link? Last time I checked there were too many plugins to do with seo, for me to activley find one I would know how to use
                                                                          http://wp.uberdose.com/2007/03/24/all-in-one-seo-pack/
                                                                          http://alexking.org/projects/wordpress (Share This)
                                                                          http://www.w-a-s-a-b-i.com/archives/...ed-entries-20/
                                                                          http://www.arnebrachhold.de/2005/06/...rator-v2-final
                                                                          http://www.nothing2hide.net/blog/wp-...slator-plugin/

                                                                          These are all the plugins I am using. Some I modified the source slightly myself though. In the case of the global translator I modified it quite a lot ot fix some caching bugs and get around the query limits.
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                                                                          • TeenSluts
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                                                                            • Mar 2006
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            do you guys think the related entries helps as far as SEO?? I guess if u a have more internal links on your pages thats good right?

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                                                                            • Varius
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by TeenSluts
                                                                              do you guys think the related entries helps as far as SEO?? I guess if u a have more internal links on your pages thats good right?
                                                                              I'm not sure if it actually helps with SEO or not, but I use it since it may have my readers browsing through more blog posts than just the one they came to more easily.
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                                                                              • TeenSluts
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                yeah. i figured it would be best to keep the surfer browsing

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                                                                                • Young
                                                                                  Bland for life
                                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                                  • 10468

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                  Ive heard a lot of people tell me, just wait until the second month you shall gets hits then, or wait until the 3rd month, thats when the search eginnes pick you up.

                                                                                  But how long would you say for serious hits as in 100+ se hits to the blog per day?

                                                                                  at the moment on all my blogs I am getting little trickles of traffic, they are all a month old round about. Update once every 3 days at least. custom
                                                                                  buy plugs, trade traffic, do link exchanges. YOU CANT 100% rely on SEO. Way too much competition.

                                                                                  imo gfy is the wrong place to look for babe/nsfw blog traffic. but due to rules i can't tell you where else to go
                                                                                  Last edited by Young; 08-01-2007, 01:42 PM.
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                                                                                  • scottybuzz
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • May 2006
                                                                                    • 14799

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                    hey man, do me a favor and email me the rss links to all your blogs

                                                                                    I will throw them in all my social bookmarking sites, and they will auto update for you into all my sites
                                                                                    How do you mean? Could you post an example of one of your social bookmarking sites please?
                                                                                    So I can see how it will come up please.

                                                                                    Originally posted by camuk19
                                                                                    One of my blogs has been up for just over 2 months now, gets around 300+ SE hits a day, took a while to get to that though.
                                                                                    Good seo hits do you get? Because on my blogs I often get strings of words like "lesbian live nude licking out her friend" and often I wont have any post matching that and it explains why hits like those bounce. That is what i say isnt quality.
                                                                                    I have found this happens a lot more with blogs rather than other sites.

                                                                                    For example do you get 1 word and 2 word seo traffic?
                                                                                    Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                                                    I'm glad people are getting good traffic so fast, but with Google, I've always found that it takes 6-12 months to really start pulling in good traffic. Google likes older domains and the longer yours ages, the better it will do.
                                                                                    Yep. thats definitley true.
                                                                                    Infact I seem to struggle with msn and yahoo hits anyway, can never seem to "optimize" to get them, but seeing as they are not the major search egine it does not bother me to much. but it would be nice to know how.


                                                                                    Originally posted by Varius
                                                                                    http://wp.uberdose.com/2007/03/24/all-in-one-seo-pack/
                                                                                    http://alexking.org/projects/wordpress (Share This)
                                                                                    http://www.w-a-s-a-b-i.com/archives/...ed-entries-20/
                                                                                    http://www.arnebrachhold.de/2005/06/...rator-v2-final
                                                                                    http://www.nothing2hide.net/blog/wp-...slator-plugin/

                                                                                    These are all the plugins I am using. Some I modified the source slightly myself though. In the case of the global translator I modified it quite a lot ot fix some caching bugs and get around the query limits.
                                                                                    Thankyou very much for those.

                                                                                    Originally posted by Young
                                                                                    buy plugs, trade traffic, do link exchanges. YOU CANT 100% rely on SEO. Way too much competition.

                                                                                    imo gfy is the wrong place to look for babe/nsfw blog traffic. but due to rules i can't tell you where else to go
                                                                                    Good advice, thanks young.
                                                                                    But.. you say trade traffic. Who is going to want to trade with me early on with my 50 hits a day? Infact IMO the only people are going to want to trade with me are those in a similar position to me with low pr and traffic.

                                                                                    So would you really say trading is a good way to build up a starting site? I agree later on it is very useful when you have the numbers, but I am not so sure at the beginning.

                                                                                    Give me a clue where to go to get hardlink exhances, just post the forum initials please or i'll send you an email to ask. But thanks anyway Solid advice there.

                                                                                    Just like to say a BIG thanks to everyone who has helped. My first blog has been up a month now and is pulling around 50- se hits a day so I am pretty happy with that so far, but many of the hits are long queries which have little to do with the posts.. Yet to see many sales, but I am concentrating on traffic at the moment.

                                                                                    Any other advice greatly appreciated thanks.
                                                                                    Last edited by scottybuzz; 08-05-2007, 03:07 PM.
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                                                                                    • RawAlex
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                                                                                      • Oct 2003
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      If you put enough low traffic and low PR sites together, you can sometimes get a spark. If each one gets a single decent link in, there is traffic created and PR comes around over time. Plus you get the natural sharing and filtering that comes from trading with sites that are on topic.

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                                                                                      • RTP
                                                                                        aka Jimmy James
                                                                                        • Nov 2006
                                                                                        • 1335

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        100 unique ses should be in a matter of days with trades and the right optimization, ping tools, etc. ive tested both strictly organic and traded traffic with my blogs to see results and the results are pretty interesting, i did a test with a manual blog and switched it over to rss driven and man the traffic nearly doubled - 1 update a day. One my manual blogs, the traffic is low like 300 ses a day... but overall throughout the network on manuals conversion ratios are strong like 1:200 on 5 separate blogs (3 manual and 2 rss driven)

                                                                                        one big thing ive learned from just plain logical sense and speaking with other bloggers is that the majority of return visitors will be very low unless you capture them. on rss driven sites, i would recommend removing dates. someone said this before but you do really need to "attack" using multiple methods and not rely on simple se to take you through... the last thing is, remember a blog is supposed to be a blog not a pic post splog (unless you design it that way) with 1 sentence...so if your sponsor has rss but not a strong feed write it yourself. tease to convert
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                                                                                        • scottybuzz
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                                          • 14799

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                          If you put enough low traffic and low PR sites together, you can sometimes get a spark. If each one gets a single decent link in, there is traffic created and PR comes around over time. Plus you get the natural sharing and filtering that comes from trading with sites that are on topic.
                                                                                          yep sounds pretty on the ball thanks
                                                                                          Originally posted by RTP
                                                                                          100 unique ses should be in a matter of days with trades and the right optimization, ping tools, etc. ive tested both strictly organic and traded traffic with my blogs to see results and the results are pretty interesting, i did a test with a manual blog and switched it over to rss driven and man the traffic nearly doubled - 1 update a day. One my manual blogs, the traffic is low like 300 ses a day... but overall throughout the network on manuals conversion ratios are strong like 1:200 on 5 separate blogs (3 manual and 2 rss driven)

                                                                                          one big thing ive learned from just plain logical sense and speaking with other bloggers is that the majority of return visitors will be very low unless you capture them. on rss driven sites, i would recommend removing dates. someone said this before but you do really need to "attack" using multiple methods and not rely on simple se to take you through... the last thing is, remember a blog is supposed to be a blog not a pic post splog (unless you design it that way) with 1 sentence...so if your sponsor has rss but not a strong feed write it yourself. tease to convert
                                                                                          days after you build the blog that should happen?


                                                                                          but good solid advice, i use no rss at the moment, but can I add rss to a blog but also add some posts to it myself? that would not hurt it at all?


                                                                                          Plus, I thought the whole idea of rss was that it was non unique content therefore would not rank high in google...

                                                                                          So how on earth did your traffic double?
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                                                                                          • NinjaSteve
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                                                                                            • Dec 2003
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            When I build blogs it takes about one month to get 1000 SE hits a day.
                                                                                            ...

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                                                                                            • scottybuzz
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • May 2006
                                                                                              • 14799

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by NinjaSteve
                                                                                              When I build blogs it takes about one month to get 1000 SE hits a day.
                                                                                              great stuff man, would you like to give a few pointers on how and why please?
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                                                                                              • clickclickclick
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                interesting stuffff how are the blogs doing nowadays?
                                                                                                if you need more than 3 clicks to get to a join page, something is wrong ;)

                                                                                                p.s. i still bring the sales whores here.

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                                                                                                • Snake Doctor
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                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  The niche of your blog is very important also.

                                                                                                  I have a niche blog that couldn't possibly rank any higher in google for it's target keyword, but that's still only worth around 500-1K uniques per day from google.
                                                                                                  There just aren't as many people searching for this niche is all.

                                                                                                  If your blog is just general hardcore porn or nude teens or something like that then there is alot more traffic available (but also more competition for it)
                                                                                                  So like everything else, it depends.
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                                                                                                  • TondaB
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                                                                                                    • May 2002
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    It is actually very refreshing to see this type of post on this board. Thanks Scotty for posting this thread
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