Oh So Aaron cancelled everything about the contract excpet the fucking due date. I get it.. wait, no i dont, if rory offered Aaron the other 3k to finish the goddamn job, and aaron said no (which i head in all it's mp3 glory, the contract is gone.. no more.. fubar, along with it is that magical date your in love with. So whats that mean.. the 1250 is due the second he said no. It's pretty simple,

If you'd like I could take one of my daughters crayons, write it out for you and fax it over if that would help any?

Not to mention the fact that AaronM's story has kept changing, whereas yours has been rock solid from day 1.

Says a lot.

YO YO YO

Hey there sizzlechest, why don't you go finger yourself in the asshole for the time being, us businessmen have work to do.

Commin' on here crackin' wise like a real toughguy, bringin' that light weight cake mix shit like you're from the streets.. you don't know the meaning of the word ghetto.

Fuck with the best die with the rest, and as we say down in ol' Mexico City, AMF !!

I do expect people who are going to post disputing this issue to please review all the material before posting. This was taken from the original phone audio and I would imagine that this poretty much covers the termination of the contract? Please know the facts.

Audio clip

lovely, I am agreeing with pentae again it seems.

Aaron owned this nick to start, can't believe he's not using it to post.

Just give the kid his money Aaron and move on.

Yeah Lil' Kim.. she's down wit it. Hangin' out on the street wit my homies, sippin' down some 40s with cronies.. WHAT!?

Yeah yeah yeah, cradle rock style!

wow story changed drastically... I think if my math was correct I tallied up $5,500 in the first post instead of $5k lol... ah well... I think both of you are broke and can't afford each other...Rory didn't have the money to pay up front and now Aaron doesnt have the money to give him back the initial down payment if you will... If you don't have the $2k just tell him you don't and give it to him on the specified original date!

Give him his $2,000 on the 15th and be done with it...what the fuck is the problem?

Jesus Christ. TSB has been smoking, drinking, and posting again. Sorry about that. :(

Please...Go on bashing both of us. No worries on my end. Facts are facts and they are all printed above. You want a contract? I have a contract that Rory's prior company agreed to. This should be sufficiant proof that Rory was aware of my payment terms.

The only reason I bothered to respond is because TheDrunkHighSpaceyBulldog has decided to try to "help" me. Thanks for the though man but not sure that it did any good. :)

Bed time. Have fun with this one. :winkwink:

These things never end up good.

The sad thing is certain people don't realize how bad this makes them look. Everytime this stuff has happened - the person that owes the other person the money - always thinks this won't hurt their business in the future. They always say something like "I don't care what you guys think - I am right - and plenty of people will do business with me"

Who cares about 5 days - Rory wants the money and Aaron said he owes it to him. Making him wait for it - if he doesn't have to - is just malicious.

Seems to me like AM is just trying to stand up for his "principles" - which seem to be try to do everything possible to make the client unhappy - once he feels like he was screwed. Even if Rory did something wrong - if you are going to give the money back - give it back now. It would make you look good.

There are plenty of people on these boards that don't post. I was amazed in florida the number of people that said they had seen my posts on GFY - and when I asked what they posted under - they said - oh I just read them.

"If you do not like the way that I do business then that is fine by me. There are plenty of serious clients in the world who have a clue about this business and they are happy to deal with me."

Maybe so - but I have no doubt that this making him wait 5 days more for less than $2000 will cost you more than 10 times that much in the end.

The sad thing I think Aaron would probably be legally right - if he had a contract in writing.

All people are going to remember is "Oh - wasn't he the one that put that guys shit out on the front step and made him wait five extra days for his money"

If you don't think is the case - you are kidding yourself.

Actually I should be thanking you, It's like this, theres a few things i KNOW, aaron canceled the contract(heard it), aaron owes rory 1250(he admitted it), and with the contract cancelled the deposit return date is the fucking nanosecond the contract is canceled.

Up until u wandered in we all thought he just didnt have it at the moment, no big deal, happens to most of us, but your enlightning post on how he's going to vegas, geting a luxury suite, hookers, whatever, implies he has cash, lots of it, and just doesnt feel like paying off his debt.

Now u pointed out its none of my fucking buisness, maybe so, but seeing as in the future i will need some exclusive content, It's kind of nice to know who your dealing with.

So to summarize what you've taught me bulldog.. when the time comes, it's in my best intrest to take the cash, by my own equipment and shoot it my fucking self.

Man I was all for giving AMP the benefit of the doubt and opportunity to make good on a misunderstanding that became personal before this shit hit the fan. Bulldog, you paint a real pretty picture of Aaron pimpin' on wax in Vegas playing $100 roulette spins with other people's money.

And Spacey, do you find this kind of behavior appropriate when dealing with customers and clients? Perhaps Aaron should go over there and give you a lesson in business ethics.. and maybe some free dental work as well.

AMF

so is rory getting his money back? that is pretty much the only matter at hand, we don't want to get off track here.

.

Arguments can get really heated and sometimes its worthwhile to dig up the legal questions that frame this argument so that the parties can look at the issues more clearly. [This is not legal advise. Maybe by looking at general contract law principles, the two sides can find common ground.]



[This passage below is from lectlaw.com] the issue here is whether Aaron can keep Rory's money after Rory notified him that he won't be able to come up with the rest of the payment. A lot has been raised over the fact that Aaron has not performed his contract duties yet--ie., producing the content when Rory sought to cancel the contract.

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The basic rule is that parties to contracts must perform as specified in the contract unless (1) the parties agree to the change in the contract's terms, or (2) the actions of the party who deviates from the terms of the contract are implicitly accepted ("ratified") by the
action or non-action of the other party.

[Did Aaron ratify Rory's request to cancel the contract when he told him to "pick up your shit" [quote from phone conversation]?]

If there is no acceptance of deviation from the terms of the
contract, and the deviation is serious enough to make any real
difference in the intended result of the contract, then the deviating
party is said to have breached the contract. His justified
prevention or interference with the performance of the other party is
also a breach.
......

Breach of contract leaves the nonperforming or improperly performing
party open to a claim for damages by the other party. The non-
breaching party is relieved of his obligations under the contract by
the other party's breach.

[Did Rory's notification that he may not be able to pay the rest of the money relieve Aaron of his duty to produce the content? ]

[Was there a second contract created when Aaron told Rory to come by and pick up his money? Did Rory breach this second agreement by not showing up on time? Was time of the essence to this agreement? Does Rory's breach of this second contract entitle Aaron to keep the deposit?]

This will certainly cost one of you business.

This already has cost one of them money.

At Internext I asked Aaron about a custom photo shoot in December ( need it up north with snow on the ground ). Regrettfully at the time Aaron offered me a show special which I was not able to take because my cards were maxed. I am glad I didn't take that deal now and I have started looking for another Photographer for my December gig.

I have read all the posts and in my mind it seems bad business practice to play with Rory's money like this.

I feel Rory should be reimbursed his complete $2k minus 0 fee's now. You have tried to run this guy through the mud and it shows your business practices in laymans terms "Just Plain Sucks".

I am glad I went no further with my deals with AaronM Productions. Yes this is a name I for one will remember.

Actually re-reading my post I need to fix something.

It's actually cost 2 people business. Headpimp unless you pull away from this guy your losing money too. There are a few of us on this board that deals with the BBW niche. But one content provider went and put all his content exclusive under AaronM.

This is a bad Idea as you would have had an order the other day till I read on your site about it being exclusive with AaronM. Hopefully this can be fixed as my site for that content is in the process of being built and I am ordering content. A few content providers here can back me up and tell you I have ordered large amounts of BBW content since Internext.

"because of a financial situation"

at first sight, a lot of you boys appear to be making good money. and if you don't appear to, then many claim to.

on second sight, the the first sight is a lie.


not that i'd take sides, but people with "financial situations" shouldn't be throwing thousands of dollars around, at least until their situation has cleared up.

karaoke? :karaoke

now thats just sick. :throwup

it makes no sence to pay 2000. and then a month later pay 3000. then a month later pick up the job .

why pay 2000 grand for nothin.

in buisness if your gonna except terms you better produce something. either take a full payment and then start or dont do the work. you have excepted 2000 grand . start the job!!! i would be pissed off to and not really want to give this guy anymore money becuase he has not done shit for the money he has already taken . it makes sence that rory would be sceptical that a month went by and aaron had taken 2 grand from him and not even started the job. i mean come on if you were getting a house built and the builder took a 40% deposit and 3 months later he wanted the rest but he had not even started the house. would you be real happy about paying the balance. "DONT DO FAVORS THEY ALWAYS BITE YOU IN THE ASSSSSS!!"

Would've written something sooner, but you caught me traveling. Some general comments as a content provider:

I take this as further proof that exclusive work is always paid up front in advance.

I myself have run into non-exclusive content deals that fell through over no fault of my own. One guy pledged to buy "to the walls" in exchange for a deep discount. He was to buy at $2000 a month. After two months, no more checks and no answered e-mail messages. If I'd had it on paper signed in ink, I could have taken him to court, but WTF...I'm a photographer and I'd really rather be shooting some cute chick than sitting in court.

Anyway...

The guy was getting his work done at a pretty hefty discount, it seems, and let me tell you, what he wanted would have been a lot of trouble to produce. Considering I get multi-thousand dollar deals that are just "lay down" sales (as salespeople call sales which are simply order taking), having to do that kind of work for that kind of money isn't really very appealing.

Based on what I've heard, I wouldn't want to do anything for that client.

In my opinion it was very immature to take this matter to the board and make it so public.

And very unprofessional too.

And to the point that all these explanations are made public and people are fighting back and forth.

From my understanding, Rory brought it up here on the board first....

Sorry about your luck Aaron.....

This seems to be a private business matter that should've been handled privately.....

Now you know who not to deal with.

Why is Aaron *ALWAYS* surrounded by controversy?


(edited for niceness)

he is a lonly guy....

hmm.. if someone screws me in this business or anywhere else in life I'm going to make it public and let people know that they should be wary when dealing with that individual. That is part of why this board is so great, because it allows people to recount experiences, good and bad, with other individuals in a forum where their voice will reach far more people than whom they work with on a daily basis.

Hey aaron just last thing .... listen to this audio clip about our contract here man :

Listen To It Aaron

Sorry about posting about this 1 more time. It was just brought to my attention that there is a feeling that people think that I violated the contract by not being able to pay Aaron the $3000 on Aug 15th. That is absolutly not the case , the reason that I refused to pay aaron the $3000 was because he had taken my $2000 the month before (which according to this damn contract aaron keeps quoting was to be used to be shooting girls , not to fund vacations) and not produced any shoots. I would be glad to post my bank balance for that day if anyone would like to see it. Also something to remember I never forced Aaron to take this contract, we discussed it several times and we agreed on a price, if he didnt need the business he should have moved on. Also in regards to the contract with my prior company, yes we did agree to pay 100% upfront, however never did we ever agree to pay someone $2000 a month before anything was shot. That is a poor attempt to make several lies come together by Aaron, think about it folks, if he wasnt going to start shooting until the 15th of Aug., wouldnt I have just given him the $5000 on aug 15th? Also why were there 'kill fees' that he keeps bringing up even though he doesnt ever shoot until he has 100% upfront? Why was he scheduling models if he only shoots at 100% up front. You are lieing about this verbal contract to fit your situation here aaron and you and I both know it. Why not bring SOME type of evidence instead of your word against mine , you know that neitrher of us can prove in any way what that verbal contract said. Also would like to state that the '4 shoots' remedy to this was mine, not aarons. I offered this as an option to aaron only after he told me that he had done 0 shoots and didnt have the $0 dollars. As any business man would have done, you say in a prior post that you took the risk to start work before payment was made in full, how did you take that risk - it was my $2000 you were risking apparently so why is that a risk to you? Also, I would like Aaron to post dates and model names that he payed out for the 5 'kill fees', I do have receipts for when the last piece of karaoke equipment was bought a block from aarons house. So Aaron either cough up some statements that dont contradict themselves or stop trying to burry me in YOUR mud.

Rory

I think this is the first time that has ever been mentioned. Interesting...

Wow
Well, perhpas Charly, Unseen and the other content provider who seem to like the way Aaron has handled this can explain to us why this is.

Or at least i hope they do

"Breech" is such a tricky word.....
If it was stated in this verbal contract that the initial payment would not be applied to any shoots until full payment was made, then there can be no kill fees. If the money was in fact used to start shooting, after it was stated that it wouldn't be yet, and that act was not agreed upon through a modified agreement, then we have a breech.

Should that not be the case, yet the agreement was terminated for other reasons, then every word becomes null and void..
All dates become nonexistent.. all agreements become nonexistent.. which means that the money Aaron holds is for no product and no dates for return shall apply.. So.. bottom line is that Aaron is just holding this money when he should be giving it back

This happens because within that agreement, they failed to include any "If terminated" lingo.

So... It all boils down to.. Either everyone be grown up about it and stop pouting, or get a lawyer to sort out the 'who said what when' and everyone lose lots more money.

interesting

It's starting to kill me softly...!!! Will ya please let this fuking thread die already...!! If the D-day is the 15th of September then SHUT DA FUK UP...!!!

Hmmm looking at my handy Date/Time properties it says Sept 6th 2002, 8:40:45 pm PDT(Pacific Daylight Time)

:2 cents: towards whatever is owed...

First off "I don't give a fiznuck what he does wit his endz fool"
Second I've a degree in Business Management..:321GFY
Third...ummmm...Who da fuk are you again...?:warning

sad

The contract is no more, which means that date is no more, and as you told everyone last night.. he's got the money.. only conclusion left is, he felt he was fucked and is now determined to fuck back by holding his money so Rory cant go do the shoot himself.

Dizamnn well hell dude shouldn't have pissed the homie off like that. But all in all I've known Aaron for a long time now and I've never seen or heard of him funking anyone over even if they were jerkoffs. I have no doubt dude will get his money.

I'm not very good at reading or translating Ebonics, but I really liked the part where SpaceBullDyke was talking about Aaron's nutsack. That told me all I need to know.

Say ho what da fuk you talk'n 'bout nutsacks(aarons')
Hmmm I see you've a fascination with his nutsacks...Well
come on over I'll set it up so you can git a mouf full of nutsacrilige...hahaha

Damn I love clownin' silly ass'd ho's...:1orglaugh

Do you really type like that? I have met you a few times and you dont seem to be the type of person who would actually type with too many f's and k's and slang and all that. It reminds me of playing like EQ or UO or someother online game and how people type all fucked up to 'roleplay' a character or something.

Rory