Netcash vs Pure Vanilla.. Opinions wanted

[jact]

I'm considering both options, who uses either or both of these products or who has stayed away from them, and why?

Netcash and Pure Vanilla need not apply, I want honest opinions from people who use it, thanks.

[Wizzo]

NetCash is a awesome payment method...

[ChatCash_Rob]

bump, i'm interested too... from my understanding purevanilla has it's own traffic but there are issues with using it on webmaster links as a payment option because it would be a traffic leak.

[jact]

Originally Posted by LiveBucks_Rob

bump, i'm interested too... from my understanding purevanilla has it's own traffic but there are issues with using it on webmaster links as a payment option because it would be a traffic leak.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ht=purevanilla

That thread wasn't very encouraging on the traffic front to be honest...

As for the traffic leak, very good point to consider.

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by LiveBucks_Rob

bump, i'm interested too... from my understanding purevanilla has it's own traffic but there are issues with using it on webmaster links as a payment option because it would be a traffic leak.

That is not so much the case here Rob-
We have a list of our participating websites within Pure Vanilla-
We drive incremental revenue to you from that list to your LANDING PAGE. It's more of a "house account" whereas you don't have to pay out affiliates you keep the entire sale less 8% per transaction.

Also we have spent millions of $$$ on our mainstream ad campaign between Sirius radio and Adam Carolla and we have seen a great return on our investment thus far, and so have our affiliates since it costs nothing to get involved....and unlike Netcash...we don't keep a reserve.
Webmasters have absolutely nothing to lose by getting involved with us- only money to gain!

KB
VP of Sales
Pure Vanilla

[jact]

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

That is not so much the case here Rob-
We have a list of our participating websites within Pure Vanilla-
We drive incremental revenue to you from that list to your LANDING PAGE. It's more of a "house account" whereas you don't have to pay out affiliates you keep the entire sale less 8% per transaction.

Also we have spent millions of $$$ on our mainstream ad campaign between Sirius radio and Adam Carolla and we have seen a great return on our investment thus far, and so have our affiliates since it costs nothing to get involved....and unlike Netcash...we don't keep a reserve.
Webmasters have absolutely nothing to lose by getting involved with us- only money to gain!

KB
VP of Sales
Pure Vanilla

I'm pretending you didn't post this since I asked for you not to

[Daruma]

KB whats the best way to contact you?

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by jact

I'm pretending you didn't post this since I asked for you not to

Hahaha I understand, but when people don't understand our concept or business model I feel obligated to educate further.

While we have done a bang up job of branding to consumers- a lot of webmasters still don't know how we work.

I am going to do my best to make sure every webmaster in the industry knows who were are and what we do!

I was too focused on new sales and not involved enough with the marketing-
So now it's time to step it up and show people how great a company PV is!

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by Daruma

KB whats the best way to contact you?

kblatt AT purevanilla DOT com

[ChatCash_Rob]

Thanks for the explanation.

[jact]

Since KB dropped in, Joe can feel free to post about Netcash.

[Mayor]

While I can honestly say I know nothing of Pure Vanilla I have started using NetCash and from my personal test so far it's added about 5-6% additional revenue and was just about the easiest processing option I have ever set up.

It's pretty much a no brainer to at least test it since it's so freakin easy to set up and use.

[GigoloJustin]

I haven't done anything with PureVanillla, but the guys from netcash have been GREAT to work with. They are very good about getting stuff done when they say it's going to be done. Very impressive considering the amount of new biz they are taking on.

[GigoloJustin]

I haven't done anything with PureVanillla, but the guys from netcash have been GREAT to work with. They are very good about getting stuff done when they say it's going to be done. Very impressive considering the amount of new biz they are taking on.

[NetCashJoe]

Unlike our friend at PV, we here at NetCash respect the rules. If jact didn't say it was cool for me to post, I wouldn't have. We here at NetCash not only play by the rules, but we respect an honor our merchant's wishes - and that's why they love working with us! Not to mention we are more than hype and promises - we are actually delivering! Anywhere from 5% - 15% increase in joins over and above a merchant's current level! And that's not sales hype or speculation. If anyone wants verification, please feel free to get in touch with me. Huh, desperation (PV) is a terrible thing...isn't it??

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by Mayor

While I can honestly say I know nothing of Pure Vanilla I have started using NetCash and from my personal test so far it's added about 5-6% additional revenue and was just about the easiest processing option I have ever set up.

It's pretty much a no brainer to at least test it since it's so freakin easy to set up and use.

Serious question:

Why not link to both anon payment processors?

If PV only charges 8% and no reserve PLUS sends you FREE sales ... why not give them a shot too head to head?

Or switch them out one day on one day off?

[jact]

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Serious question:

Why not link to both anon payment processors?

If PV only charges 8% and no reserve PLUS sends you FREE sales ... why not give them a shot too head to head?

Or switch them out one day on one day off?

I hear this "free sales" thing touted loudly, but I see no statistics of how much exposure a client would get within whatever method of delivery, how many people browse it, how many clients they have (Since it's a closed system vs Netcash's open system). I'd love to see some numbers.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by NetCashJoe

Unlike our friend at PV, we here at NetCash respect the rules. If jact didn't say it was cool for me to post, I wouldn't have. We here at NetCash not only play by the rules, but we respect an honor our merchant's wishes - and that's why they love working with us! Not to mention we are more than hype and promises - we are actually delivering! Anywhere from 5% - 15% increase in joins over and above a merchant's current level! And that's not sales hype or speculation. If anyone wants verification, please feel free to get in touch with me. Huh, desperation (PV) is a terrible thing...isn't it??

That last comment doesn't necessarily ring of professionalism either...

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by jact

I hear this "free sales" thing touted loudly, but I see no statistics of how much exposure a client would get within whatever method of delivery, how many people browse it, how many clients they have (Since it's a closed system vs Netcash's open system). I'd love to see some numbers.

Honestly, I have no idea what their stats look like but have spoken to several people that claim they're seeing sales every day.

Check through their participating site list.

https://www.purevanilla.com/Browse.aspx?g=1

That's pretty "open". I'm sure you know some of those people and can ask them directly

[NetCashJoe]

maybe so Far-L, I retract.

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by Mayor

While I can honestly say I know nothing of Pure Vanilla I have started using NetCash and from my personal test so far it's added about 5-6% additional revenue and was just about the easiest processing option I have ever set up.

It's pretty much a no brainer to at least test it since it's so freakin easy to set up and use.

5-6% is a sizable increase on revenue.

[Blazing]

Blazingbucks has been using Pure Vanilla for 3 months, and I would say this has been an excellent source of EXTRA revenue for us... I am anxiously awaiting for Pure Vanilla to get integrated with MPA3, so we can offer this to our affiliates.

We are also in the process of using NetCash, were in the setup process right now... I am also utilizing Trustcash, my belief is to offer up as many payment options as possible, but at the same time preserving the affiliate traffic against any traffic leaks.

We run our sites dynamically, so.. affiliate traffic DOES NOT get the Pure Vanilla Join option..

Affiliate traffic code

Now.. if you visit In House traffic code you will see the Pure Vanilla join option.

Bottom line... I highly recommend using all 3 of these anonymous type billing agents.. at the end of the day.. its all extra revenues.

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Also another thing one must look at here is card holder security measures-
We are Level 1 compliant- which if anyone knows anything about processing or banking you'll know there are very few companies who are in this business.

Our competition has no measures in place for card holder security, nor are either of them a public company. Our company has been working in the "stored value"/ processing arena for over 12 years with our sister company nimblegroup.com

We have spent MILLIONS of dollars getting the word out about us to consumers and I feel our brand is the "coca cola" of anonymous payment processing....

However I also know there is room for Pepsi and even 7 Up.
If you don't like the taste of coke- then don't drink it.... but I feel it would be very foolish to make a decision off of a chatboard without contacting me to at least hear my pitch and hear how I can drive a ton of sales to you at NO ADDITIONAL COST AND WITH NO RESERVES and THE LOWEST RATE at 8% per transaction-

So let's recap- Pure Vanilla sends incremental revenue to their partners at no additional cost- we highight out partners on HOWARD STERN and Sirius Radio, and we only CHARGE 8%!!!

It's that simple- don't be mislead by what others post here- there are no traffic leaks, and we are not broke. I always love hearing that from the mouths of my competitors.

Anyone who knows ME knows I wouln't work anywhere for 10 months unless they had lot's of $$$ and could pay me what I am worth.


Ask PussyCash.com/ Imlive.com how they are doing with us...
Ask Clips4sale.com ........

Ask Smashbucks.....
Ask Tanker at Madeinporn.com
Ask CEcash

I am sure you will be hearing the same great stuff out of Sexsearch's mouth on April 15th when they integrate as well as VIVID who will be up shortly.

Those are some amazing brands, with amazing webmasters at the helm who would be more than willing to tell you how we pay, and how much traffic we send.

NO OTHER COMPANY IN ANONYMOUS PAYMENT PROCESSING COMES CLOSE.

oh- and I am far from desperate
:-))

[emmanuelle]

I'd like to ask a sincere question here.

Does PV feel that by processing for sites that could not possibly pass the Visa litmus test, they are posed for longevity?

I'm hesitant to jump through the hoops to set up yet another secondary that may not be around long enough to justify the effort.

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

I'd like to ask a sincere question here.

Does PV feel that by processing for sites that could not possibly pass the Visa litmus test, they are posed for longevity?

I'm hesitant to jump through the hoops to set up yet another secondary that may not be around long enough to justify the effort.

We pass the litmus test with VISA.
We are extremely diligent in our listings of our sites, because we HAVE to be.
WE ARE A PUBLIC COMPANY.

We don't link to any kinds of sites that are even remotely considered " gray area".

And the time it takes to get integrated is virtually an hour- even sooner if you use NATS- since we are already integrated with them.

hit me up at KBlatt@ purevanilla.com if you have any more questions or would like to fill out a Merchant agreement.
:-))

[emmanuelle]

KB- I am not trying to cause you guys (or anybody else) grief here, but this really causes me concern
http://prepaidclips.com/store/2041

[jact]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

KB- I am not trying to cause you guys (or anybody else) grief here, but this really causes me concern
http://prepaidclips.com/store/2041

That's some crazy shit right there.

[JenniDahling]

I am not familiar with PV first hand, but Dirty D and I sat down with Joe and Peter during Internext in January and really liked their presentation. We've since implemented them into the HIGR cascade and have been happy with the performance. I see a lot of growth potential for them, especially once they come out with physical cards, making the loads at Western Union locations a lot easier. I personally have introduced and talked to my clients about Netcash and love endorsing them.

[MrVids]

A little bump for this as I'm going through the process of integrating both.

NetCash: pushy as all hell, but in the end they delivered great service and I've already made a couple sales

PureVanilla: horrible indifferent support and after 2 weeks of working with them, I'm still not completely setup.

NetCash: 1
PureVanilla: 0

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by MrVids

A little bump for this as I'm going through the process of integrating both.

NetCash: pushy as all hell, but in the end they delivered great service and I've already made a couple sales

PureVanilla: horrible indifferent support and after 2 weeks of working with them, I'm still not completely setup.

NetCash: 1
PureVanilla: 0

Many thanks for the bump and adding fresh insight.

[webmasterchecks]

Originally Posted by NetCashJoe

Unlike our friend at PV, we here at NetCash respect the rules. If jact didn't say it was cool for me to post, I wouldn't have. We here at NetCash not only play by the rules, but we respect an honor our merchant's wishes - and that's why they love working with us! Not to mention we are more than hype and promises - we are actually delivering! Anywhere from 5% - 15% increase in joins over and above a merchant's current level! And that's not sales hype or speculation. If anyone wants verification, please feel free to get in touch with me. Huh, desperation (PV) is a terrible thing...isn't it??

you could have left the first and last part out and sounded a lot more tactful and professional

decided to only talk about taking the higher ground

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by MrVids

A little bump for this as I'm going through the process of integrating both.

NetCash: pushy as all hell, but in the end they delivered great service and I've already made a couple sales

PureVanilla: horrible indifferent support and after 2 weeks of working with them, I'm still not completely setup.

NetCash: 1
PureVanilla: 0

Contact me at [email protected]

I will make sure u are up and running MONDAY
Are you sure there isn't a programming issue behind this?
LMK

PS -
Pure Vanilla does NOT charge 14% or 15%
Netcash also has a rolling reserve-we DO NOT
Our transaction fees are at 7%


We actually SEND our webmasters TRAFFIC FOR FREE
Our competition DOES NOT.

I have been in this industry for over 10 years and have ten years of knowledge and experience behind ME-

My competitors have been online in the adult arena for under a year-

I think I know the landscape pretty well, and I also know you cannot push people to use your product.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am assertive, but not pushy.
I don't have to push people to use my services when they get FREE SALES- and the effort on their end is minimal.

We are integrated with NATS- and hopefully soon we will be using MPA3.
My clients iclude some of the biggest names in the adult arena like:

Pussycash
IMLIVE
CE CASH
Smashbucks
Evil Angel
Blazing BUcks
Wicked
Clipsforsale.com
Bad Puppy
Raven Riley and MANY MANY MORE!
Digital Playground

Not too mention I have a TON of other sites coming on board like Sex Search ,
XVN and Hotel Heiress

If you haven't gotten aroudn to looking at Pure Vanilla, I suggest you do
or contact me at [email protected]


http://www.purevanilla.com


Did I also mention we have over 10,000, HAPPY, repeat customers using our site daily?

Netcash and Trustcash DO NOT

:-))

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by JenniDahling

I am not familiar with PV first hand, but Dirty D and I sat down with Joe and Peter during Internext in January and really liked their presentation. We've since implemented them into the HIGR cascade and have been happy with the performance. I see a lot of growth potential for them, especially once they come out with physical cards, making the loads at Western Union locations a lot easier. I personally have introduced and talked to my clients about Netcash and love endorsing them.

PS Jenni Dahling not to sound like a "hater"
But Netcash lost their processing through Western Union months ago-

[Juicy D. Links]

Can i slip in a "I like Pie" in here?

[wiggitywack]

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

Contact me at [email protected]

I will make sure u are up and running MONDAY
Are you sure there isn't a programming issue behind this?
LMK

PS -
Pure Vanilla does NOT charge 14% or 15%
Netcash also has a rolling reserve-we DO NOT
Our transaction fees are at 7%


We actually SEND our webmasters TRAFFIC FOR FREE
Our competition DOES NOT.

I have been in this industry for over 10 years and have ten years of knowledge and experience behind ME-

My competitors have been online in the adult arena for under a year-

I think I know the landscape pretty well, and I also know you cannot push people to use your product.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am assertive, but not pushy.
I don't have to push people to use my services when they get FREE SALES- and the effort on their end is minimal.

We are integrated with NATS- and hopefully soon we will be using MPA3.
My clients iclude some of the biggest names in the adult arena like:

Pussycash
IMLIVE
CE CASH
Smashbucks
Evil Angel
Blazing BUcks
Wicked
Clipsforsale.com
Bad Puppy
Raven Riley and MANY MANY MORE!
Digital Playground

Not too mention I have a TON of other sites coming on board like Sex Search ,
XVN and Hotel Heiress

If you haven't gotten aroudn to looking at Pure Vanilla, I suggest you do
or contact me at [email protected]


http://www.purevanilla.com


Did I also mention we have over 10,000, HAPPY, repeat customers using our site daily?

Netcash and Trustcash DO NOT

:-))

Damn...well said.
Personally, I can't stand the fast talking , pushy won't take no for an answer type sales monkeys. They tend to over promise and under deliver.

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by wiggitywack

Damn...well said.
Personally, I can't stand the fast talking , pushy won't take no for an answer type sales monkeys. They tend to over promise and under deliver.

That is my favorite line ever
I always tell my clients I like to "Underpromise and OVER deliver"
Which I do, time and time again.

It makes me a hero instead of a BIG zero.
It's also why I am like the cream rising to the top of an industry filled with spoiled milk.

[Tommy The Twink]

KB helped us and clearly explained to us everything. I am glad we used PV and KB

Go with PV there is no other choice

[MaDalton]

this thread moved into a funny direction...

[jonesonyou]

juicy like pie.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by jonesonyou

juicy like pie.

i like pizza pie.

[NetCashBrian]

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

PS Jenni Dahling not to sound like a "hater"
But Netcash lost their processing through Western Union months ago-

I wanted to correct this statement:

NetCash made a conscience decision to remove the Western Union option because it was sending a confused message to the marketplace. Merchants kept asking us where consumers could buy NetCash in order to complete a purchase. NetCash strives to maximize transactions at the point of purchase and we will continue to test any option that will help us achieve the best results and eliminate those that do not.

Thank you to all the bumps in this thread and we look forward to seeing all our friends in Florida next week.

[pocketkangaroo]

I talk to a couple program owners and they have always praised NetCash. I won't name the actual program, but one mentioned they say an increase of about 5% a month.

[pocketkangaroo]

And the PureVanilla model seems like a can't lose (minus the time and effort to set it up). I've heard their commercials on Sirius and I'm sure they do generate some of their own traffic.

The problem is that the more popular they get, the worse it can be. The more programs that sign up, the smaller the percent that they will choose your site to join. Right now there just aren't a lot of programs in PV. The other issue is that the more popular it gets from a consumer side, the bigger the traffic leak becomes.

It seems like an interesting options but you have to weigh the pros/cons.

[MikeVega]

PV had us up in a few days .. I'm not sure why some are having delays. We also had sale coming in within 10 Min's of going live with them and continue to have steady sales from them.

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

And the PureVanilla model seems like a can't lose (minus the time and effort to set it up). I've heard their commercials on Sirius and I'm sure they do generate some of their own traffic.

The problem is that the more popular they get, the worse it can be. The more programs that sign up, the smaller the percent that they will choose your site to join. Right now there just aren't a lot of programs in PV. The other issue is that the more popular it gets from a consumer side, the bigger the traffic leak becomes.

It seems like an interesting options but you have to weigh the pros/cons.

YOU are right and wrong with your opinion.
Email me and I'd be happy to explain to you why.

Also bear in mind- Pure Vanilla is CISP Compliant- meaning we are 100% secure with our data- Very much like CC Bill or any FDIC insured bank-

My competition is NOT.
Card holder security is VERY important.
Our offices in Manhattan are more secure than Ft. Knox and have passed tedious inspections, giving us this dubious honor.

How secure is your card holder data Brian?
Greg?

[CarlyMoore]

netcash sales PV none

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by GigoloJustin

I haven't done anything with PureVanillla, but the guys from netcash have been GREAT to work with. They are very good about getting stuff done when they say it's going to be done. Very impressive considering the amount of new biz they are taking on.

Justin... see you in Florida next week?

Mitch

[C H R I S]

Jact - you should get a kickback..... nice way too promote the both ;-)....

[quantum-x]

Originally Posted by MrVids

A little bump for this as I'm going through the process of integrating both.

NetCash: pushy as all hell, but in the end they delivered great service and I've already made a couple sales

PureVanilla: horrible indifferent support and after 2 weeks of working with them, I'm still not completely setup.

NetCash: 1
PureVanilla: 0

I'll back Jason up here, NetCash are incredibly pushy

[CarlyMoore]

Originally Posted by quantum-x

I'll back Jason up here, NetCash are incredibly pushy

damn doooood it took u 2 weeks? awesome! right on simon