i have only one finger

the title and the first posted question are different, imo.

er, what TeraBabes said. sorry Tera didn't see your post before i responded.

yes, it is an immediate consequence of American foreign policy (we pissed off the wrong guys, they responded). whether or not we deserved it is another subject entirely.

i second that

agreed. caused it to happen by not meeting another country's/people's demands (so some could argue that the other country 'caused' it), but still, the US foreign policy brought this on.

the september attacks were a very sad incident, as well as the bombing of afghanistan.

it is a fact that the us-government destroys any democratic movements in the arab countries simply to have the control over there. i dont know if us-citicens are aware of that. but the real problems were not caused by americans, but by the imperialism of certain european countries. for example europeans were teaching arabs how to use terror to fight the turks before the world wars.

the world is more fucked up then ever, it's not only the us-goverment doing crazy thing, gush, have a luck to italy, or watch the chinese! it is time for a big peace movement, fuck, if you chat with some chinese, italian, arab, indian, whatever on icq, then it fucking seems to be like chatting with one of your neighbors. some freaking politicans just try to brainwash us telling us about danger. if they did their jobs the way they're supposed to, then there was no danger at all.

btw. man, recently, i was reading about the BLACK PANTERS, and about ATTICA, i cannot believe such stuff happened in the us...

peace is what we need, not weapons.

Did we deserve an attack because of our policies ???

I am not going to debate that. There are two sides to every story.

My point is this:

When Japan attcked Hawaii and dragged us into world war 2 they attacked a military facility.

This was the right thing to do. We are threatening attacking Iraq now whether this is just or not again it will not be debated here however we are planning on attacking thier military not thier civilians.

The WTC attacks were all civilians. This was not a military post. So just that fact alone leaves no room to say whether it was right or not. It simply wasn't right for any reason. The men and women and kids that lost thier lives that day lost thier lives because they were doing right and going to work to support thier families.

The people who died on the airplanes did nothing wrong. They were simply going about thier business.

The people in the pentagon I have a problem with how in the hell a hijacked airliner got the close to our most important symbol of military in this country. It should have never got anywhere close to that building. I mourn the loss of lives in the pentagon too but they knew the risks of working there. Unlike the people in the WTC's.

The attack was cold heartless and unwarranted on innocent civilians.

Should our policies change? Maybe I'm not the one who has the control. I can only cast my votes.

But anybody that states these attacks on these particular buildings were warranted or right, can take me off thier ICQ's and forget even contacting me about anything. Thats how strongly I feel on this subject.

I won't even address this issue. This has to be the most asinine thing I have yet to read on this board & I refuse to participate any further.

Yes European are nothing but pussies. And maybe we should bomb Toronto too

Sigh.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pornopete
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nevermind

Forgive my ignorance but I really dont see how thousands of people in the world trade center "deserve" to die because of any governments policies. This was not an attack on the government this was an attack on people who woke up one morning and left their wives, husbands and children expecting to return to them later in the day. They by far were not plotting to overthrow any governments they were not going to make plans to goto war with anyone. An attack on a military body is one thing but the ones who preformed this attack were nothing more then loathsome individuals with no hearts or souls. I find it hard to belive that any intillegent person would even consider that killing innocent people would be acceptable for any reason. I also feel that any person who would question or imply that this was an acceptable act is little more then those who committed them. I hope that everyone else on this board will view this with the same distaste and I do and ignore you and your post in the future regardless of what they are.

Brian

I think it would be perfectly appropriate to have this discussion just as soon as al Qaida and its fellow travellers are no longer able to function - or breathe. The U.S. learned absolutely nothing from the failures of the French and the British in the Middle East, continued to act in a completely self-serving way throughout the cold war and since, which poured fuel on a fire that we didn't start - and most likely won't be able to completely put out anyway. I think attempting to "negotiate" a peaceful settlement with Sadam or al Qaida - they are very different, regardless of the sales job little Georgie has done on the American people - is akin to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler in 1938.

That being said - I think that anyone who dismisses the opinion of an entire continent full of people who will be affected by our decisions - perhaps more profoundly than we are - is just about as uninformed (spelled "s-t-u-p-i-d") as the pseudo-intellectual assumption that we "deserved" this. The easiest way to CEASE to be a superpower is to act like one. We had better act like the civilized nation we claim to be, take our case to the Congress, to the country, and to the world ...

and then toast the mother fuckers.

There are plenty of stupid Americans who you wish would just die, but that doesn't mean they SHOULD be killed.
I wish the attack never took place.
Anyone who is actually happy with 9/11 is pretty fucked up.

"Some Canadians are not at all pleased with socialist tax-and-spend Canadian politicians in Ottawa, the declining Canadian dollar, the extreme taxation, the mentally-ill immigration and refugee policies or the $600 billion national debt.

In Canada an overwhelming percentage of the media is owned by active Liberal supporters or camp followers. Therefore the objectivity of the journalists who depend on these Liberal activists for employment often shows through in skewed one-sided reporting of news. It is often the result of bent questions in bent surveys organized to publish a certain bias -- pro Liberal. The resulting propaganda could make Joseph Goebbels (Hitler's propaganda minister) smile. Joseph Stalin would also understand. Unfortunately the Canadian public, unaware of the bias, form their opinions from what is reported -- leftist political agenda.
And then there is the government-supported CBC -- the socialist dream world -- which turns out Liberal propaganda and multiculturalism in both English and French even in areas of Canada that do not understand French. It does not matter to them. It is only taxpayers' money. Why should they care? The ratings are so low they are a state secret and Canadians never complain. What good would it do? "

Now I understand why you are so fucked up

and our national symbol is the police :glugglug

CANADA Sucks

canadians feel they are 'normal' - they actually are basically the equivalent to arkansas hillbillies stuck in wool clothing with the added burden of speaking the native tongue of the rudest culture in history.

canadian business people suck. very much. and they don't know it. ever hear about a great canadian company? want any canadian dollars? know of any cool software from canada? cars, clothing, food? ok i'll give you the beer. but other than that?

Canadian military force is made up of 10 .22mm rifles and a colt pistol.The back woods hicks in the US have more of an arsenal than Canada!

Your Economy is piss poor! We have so much of our lucious and
plentifull American dollars in your nation that it is practically the
51st state!



The US is now a globe-bestriding colossus, economically, militarily, culturally, technologically, politically, you name it. There is no disputing that we are number one, second to none, and boy does that feel good.


"O Canada! Our home and shitty land, true homosexual love in all thy sons command. With failing hearts we see thee cry, the frozen north weak and white! From far and wide O Canada we sink in the snow for thee. "

Yeah right, innocent american people deserved to die because of stupid arab fanatics who think that killing americans will give them eternity.

I am sorry, but foreign policy has nothing to do with this shit. It's just a simple answer to feel secure about the things we don't know. We try to give an explanation to something we can't understand.

This thread needs to be closed. Period.

Please.

:feels-hot

Who the fuck are you?

Before making lame comments you should at least work on your vocabulary and syntax.

just a quick nit to pick. according to most in the country, "the people" ARE the government. unlike other countries, where the people can be "peasants" or "subjects", "peons" - however it's put.
they did attack a military body, though. i know the most dramatic attack was on the WTC, but that was not the only one.

in any case, these aren't people with the military strength to attack our military. if they attacked the military (in this case i mean a non-administrative building) they'd lose, very quickly, and with no fanfare on top of that. in other words, they would have failed. why would they knowingly go in to something, knowing they're going to die, only to fail? i think it makes sense, and i would contend that they did/do have hearts and "souls", just ones that have a different agenda than you do.

absolutely. how many of our own principles will we trample to further this agenda? will it be worth it? has it ever been when we've ignored our own constitution in the past?