FACT: There is no such thing as 100% revshare.

[BV]

....... unless the sponsor is also paying the 12-14% processing fees! which I doubt is happening. So at best you are looking at 85-90%


This has been another one of my public service announcements

[Theo The Theologian]

I know of one company that charges 5% during beta and those beta clients are grandfathered at that rate forever. ICQ me if you'd like to learn more.

[BV]

Originally Posted by Theo The Theologian

I know of one company that charges 5% during beta and those beta clients are grandfathered at that rate forever. ICQ me if you'd like to learn more.

So what you are saying is that they are paying 95% revshare and eating over half the processing fees? Losing money on every sale? Yah Right

Somebody is getting fucked, I wonder who?

[Theo The Theologian]

Originally Posted by BV

So what you are saying is that they are paying 95% revshare and eating over half the processing fees? Losing money on every sale? Yah Right

Somebody is getting fucked, I wonder who?

I'm not saying anything other than the fact that a certain billing company is charging 5% (for beta) so if someone wants to save some money on processing and gain more features they might want to icq me.

[BV]

Originally Posted by Theo The Theologian

I'm not saying anything other than the fact that a certain billing company is charging 5% (for beta) so if someone wants to save some money on processing and gain more features they might want to icq me.

What features will they gain over what CCBill or Paycom provides?

and what does this have to do with affiliate programs claiming to offer 100% revshare?

[Theo The Theologian]

Originally Posted by BV

What features will they gain over what CCBill or Paycom provides?

and what does this have to do with affiliate programs claiming to offer 100% revshare?

paypal/epass like system built right in so no need to wire money here and there to pay affiliates is just one thing. There are a lot more.

As far as what it has to do with your original post... they would make a little bit more so they could pass more onto the affiliates if they chose to.

Don't misunderstand I agree with you that 100% revshare makes as much sense as 40.00 on a 3.95 trial and like you said someone is losing.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BV

So what you are saying is that they are paying 95% revshare and eating over half the processing fees? Losing money on every sale? Yah Right

isnt that what pps sponsors do ?

they lose money in the short term , make it up on the long term

so eating the processing cost for a month and getting it all back the next month 10 fold is just a risk right..

[aico]

you do realize you can pay affiliates more than you make off the sale right? It's not rocket science.

[Theo The Theologian]

I should also mention with our system you cannot payout more than what is made per sale. So 100% revshare would not be possible. 90% would be since our fee is 5% and there is a holdback of 5%

[BV]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

isnt that what pps sponsors do ?

they lose money in the short term , make it up on the long term

so eating the processing cost for a month and getting it all back the next month 10 fold is just a risk right..

No Smokey, with 100% revshare, they would have to pay you for the first sale and every rebill 100%, thus losing money each time the customer rebills.

It's not going to happen.

If it was 85% revshare (15% to processor) Sponsor makes zero for the life of that customer. (and still loses because that customer costs them B/W)

Now they might be up selling the fuck out of them in the members area as well as spamming and selling email addresses to make up a little. But that's fucking the affiliate, unless of course they give him credit. Which I doubt is happening.

[BV]

Originally Posted by aico

you do realize you can pay affiliates more than you make off the sale right? It's not rocket science.

See post 10 Mr Rocket Scientist

[aico]

Originally Posted by BV

See post 10 Mr Rocket Scientist

I build rockets, not crystal balls.

Although I do have balls of steel.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BV

No Smokey, with 100% revshare, they would have to pay you for the first sale and every rebill 100%, thus losing money each time the customer rebills.

It's not going to happen.

If it was 85% revshare (15% to processor) Sponsor makes zero for the life of that customer. (and still loses because that customer costs them B/W)

Now they might be up selling the fuck out of them in the members area as well as spamming and selling email addresses to make up a little. But that's fucking the affiliate, unless of course they give him credit. Which I doubt is happening.

i was speaking about sponsors that offer 1 month 100% revshare , obviously if they are offering 100% revshare for life , thats impossible..
the only way thats happening is if they are not giving you credit for the upsells or other things you mentioned.

[BV]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i was speaking about sponsors that offer 1 month 100% revshare , obviously if they are offering 100% revshare for life , thats impossible..
the only way thats happening is if they are not giving you credit for the upsells or other things you mentioned.

Revshare is for life. All the promos I have read say you get 100% revshare for the life of that member you send during the promo window.

If it's just 100% on the first sale that would not be 100% revshare, that would just be a 50% bonus on the first sale. (providing they are a 50/50 revshare program) Revshare is all about a percentage of every sale/rebills.

[BV]

Originally Posted by aico

I build rockets, not crystal balls.

Although I do have balls of steel.

Just listen to what I have to say and shut the fuck up. I'm not trying to fuck anyone, I'm trying to help you.

Don't be one of the sheep.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BV

Revshare is for life. All the promos I have read say you get 100% revshare for the life of that member you send during the promo window.

If it's just 100% on the first sale that would not be 100% revshare, that would just be a 50% bonus on the first sale. (providing they are a 50/50 revshare program) Revshare is all about a percentage of every sale/rebills.

still its just a rsik like any other , even if its 100% for life they are eating the upsells and members area upsells. its all about avg's

if 1/10 people do an upsell from the members area then they make back the processing fee's so they are breaking even PLUS signup upsells and emails.

[aico]

Originally Posted by BV

Just listen to what I have to say and shut the fuck up. I'm not trying to fuck anyone, I'm trying to help you.

Don't be one of the sheep.

lol, I am too tired to argue about something as stupid as me being wrong.

[SmokeyTheBear]

i think the moral of the story is " if something sounds too good to be true it probably is"

[BV]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

still its just a rsik like any other , even if its 100% for life they are eating the upsells and members area upsells. its all about avg's

if 1/10 people do an upsell from the members area then they make back the processing fee's so they are breaking even PLUS signup upsells and emails.

Smokey, they are not paying 100%, they are paying 100% minus 15% PROCESSING FEES, WHICH = 85% NOT 100%. It's a scam.

and if they were really paying 10% for life and relying on upsells and spamming and selling emails, they would still lose money. Do the math.

Furthermore there should be ZERO upsells in a revshare program unless the affiliate is getting credit for them. Same for the emails. An upsell in a revshare members area is a traffic leak.

I would never send revshare joins to a site with upsells in the members area. I want that member to stay so I can get rebills. That is the whole point.

This is how I run my sites. Zero upsells, Zero traffic leaks. That is the correct way.

[BV]

Originally Posted by aico

lol, I am too tired to argue about something as stupid as me being wrong.

Good, because trust me, you have a lot of learning to do!

[BV]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i think the moral of the story is " if something sounds too good to be true it probably is"

yep! ....

[rowan]

100% revshare for a month may "lose" money for the program, but so do advertising campaigns. Will everyone pull down their links once the revshare slips back to 60%?...

[aico]

Originally Posted by BV

Good, because trust me, you have a lot of learning to do!

if you say so Mr. Superiority Complex.

[aico]

Originally Posted by rowan

100% revshare for a month may "lose" money for the program, but so do advertising campaigns. Will everyone pull down their links once the revshare slips back to 60%?...

Hey, looky here, someone gets it...

[BV]

Originally Posted by rowan

100% revshare for a month may "lose" money for the program, but so do advertising campaigns. Will everyone pull down their links once the revshare slips back to 60%?...

Well of course that is what they are hoping for, trick people, lie, whatever you want to call it. No one is paying 100% revshare.

The thread title says: Fact: there is no such thing as 100% revshare.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BV

Smokey, they are not paying 100%, they are paying 100% minus 15% PROCESSING FEES, WHICH = 85% NOT 100%. It's a scam.

depends on how you look at it i suppose . 100% of the "profit" or 100% of the gross.

Originally Posted by BV

and if they were really paying 10% for life and relying on upsells and spamming and selling emails, they would still lose money. Do the math.

thats what i was pointing out above.. lets put it in real $$ figures..

on a 30$ memberships processing fee's at 15% would be 4.50 per month LOSS ( if your getting 100% of gross ) so they are losing 4.50 per month as long as the member stays active.. if they can make more than $4.50 per month from upsells in the members area or upsells on the join form , they are still making money..

Originally Posted by BV

Furthermore there should be ZERO upsells in a revshare program unless the affiliate is getting credit for them. Same for the emails. An upsell in a revshare members area is a traffic leak.

in an ideal world yes . in real world we know most revshare sponsors have upsells and you dont get paid for them..

Originally Posted by BV

I would never send revshare joins to a site with upsells in the members area. I want that member to stay so I can get rebills. That is the whole point.

not really . the whole point is profit right not rebills.

i.e. i give 100% revshare on site LAMELESBIANS.com , make the members area shitty then do an upsell to KICKASSLESBIANS.com where im not paying any revshare. im going to make more money . if as you pointed out i'm LOSING money giving 100% revshare then i dont want them to rebill , i want them to upsell to the site i make all the profit from and cancel their membership from the site im losing money on. infact i wouldnt be suprised if they simply cancel them themselves once they upsell.

[BV]

In resonse to Smokeys post 26 1 thru 4:

1. Yes it depends how you look at it. I am a program owner and I know of all the tricks. Honest revshare programs payout percentage is based on what the membership pays. ( the gross) All other ways are deceitful. Based on your logic, if it was based on (profit) then they should also deduct for all the expenses a sponsor has, not just processing fees. ie: hosting, content, feeds, etc etc..
Strike 1

2. Each member is not going to upsell. 1:100 , maybe 1:50 if your lucky. Do the math.
Strike 2

3. Wrong, simply just look inside any quality revshare sponsors site, you won't find any upsells. They don't want to lose their customers either. Ask Steve Jones (Lightspeed) if he upsells other peoples sites. Answer is NO!
Strike 3

4. You are confused on this one. You are talking from the Program owners POV. I said quote: I would never send revshare joins to a site with upsells in the members area. This is speaking from and for an affiliates POV. Why would an affiliate send joins to a shitty revshare site with upsells? That's just stupid.
Strike 4

Smokey, I notice you like to play devils advocate a lot on here. You may fool some people because you also post lots of neat shit and know how to sway the sheep, but in this instance you are wrong, not making sense and chose the wrong topic and the wrong person to play it with. I have been running my revshare programs too long and doing it honestly the right way from day one.

This thread is all about educating people that really don't know wtf is going on and informing them. Please don't fuck it up.

Cheers,
BV

[HomerSimpson]

If they are paying 100% they must be shaving your clicks like mad and making shit load console sales....

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BV

Smokey, I notice you like to play devils advocate a lot on here.

true

Originally Posted by BV

You may fool some people because you also post lots of neat shit and know how to sway the sheep,

im lost at what your trying to say, im not representing a program ..

Originally Posted by BV

but in this instance you are wrong,

as far as im aware i am just pointing out my opinion.. cant be anything wrong about having an opinion.. i'm not calling your opinion "wrong" , its your OPINION

Originally Posted by BV

not making sense

you appear to be comprehending what i'm saying just fine , you just dont seem to agree with it i suppose

Originally Posted by BV

chose the wrong topic and the wrong person to play it with.

again i'm lost as to what i'm "playing" ? im just stating my opinion..

Originally Posted by BV

I have been running my revshare programs too long and doing it honestly the right way from day one.

i dont see anyone arguing that really im playing the devils advocate of what defines success.. in this biz success is rated in dollars .. thus if i am doing the same exact thing you are WITH upsells and i make more money i am more successfull right ?

Originally Posted by BV

This thread is all about educating people that really don't know wtf is going on and informing them. Please don't fuck it up.

Cheers,
BV

cmon now . you sound offended or something..

the statement "there is no such thing as 100% revshare" is about as obvious as "nothing is free" as i stated above. so i dont think anyone doesn't know this..

i would think joe webmaster would think to themselves. hmm if they are giving me 100% of everything , how do they make money ? they cant unless they arent giving me 100% of everything ,

i would think the more informative approach is in understanding the things i mentioned and you mentioned that sites use to make extra cash from.. ( thats why debate is usefull )

as with sponsors and success affiliates judge themselves based on sales..

if i send 1000 hits to your program and 1000 hits to a shady 100% revshare triple upsell program and i make more money from them thats as far as i need to look correct or incorrect ?

70% of nothing is still nothing be it someone who is straight forward or someone who tricks you with catchy slogans

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by BV

....... unless the sponsor is also paying the 12-14% processing fees! which I doubt is happening. So at best you are looking at 85-90%


This has been another one of my public service announcements

The real question: Why are you so upset about it? Anyone who can send real joins sees through most this bullshit, or understands the concept.

[HighEnergy]

SmokeyTheBear has no business ethics BV, read 19,000 of his 20,000 posts. Scammer through and through. Always cutting corners, always pointing out the 'easy way', always a 'backdoor' answer. One of the people who have helped give the adult industry it's scummy position in society. Pure cellophane.

[scottybuzz]

what if they offer it for like a weekend or a day or something in the hopes of signing new affiliates?

that must be 100% revshare, they take the loss so they can gain new affiliates.

like a persuasion to signup?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by HighEnergy

SmokeyTheBear has no business ethics BV, read 19,000 of his 20,000 posts. Scammer through and through. Always cutting corners, always pointing out the 'easy way', always a 'backdoor' answer. One of the people who have helped give the adult industry it's scummy position in society. Pure cellophane.

i hope your joking.

or are you really trying to say you enjoyed 1000 of my posts ?
.

[rowan]

Originally Posted by BV

Well of course that is what they are hoping for, trick people, lie, whatever you want to call it. No one is paying 100% revshare.

The thread title says: Fact: there is no such thing as 100% revshare.

Who said anything about lies? The only 100% revshare promotions I've seen (admittedly only a few) make it clear that it's for a limited time only. Sure, some people chop and change sponsors almost daily, but there will still be quite a few links remaining once the promo is over.

As to whether it's really 100% gross (a $19.95 sale equals a net loss of about $2.80) or net (a $19.95 sale equals $0 back to the program) there are plenty of revshare programs that already flaunt that little ambiguity. A 60% revshare program who quietly charges the affiliate their half of the processing fees is only paying out 53% gross. At the moment there's no way to see who is doing this.

[rowan]

Originally Posted by rowan

A 60% revshare program who quietly charges the affiliate their half of the processing fees is only paying out 53% gross. At the moment there's no way to see who is doing this.

I should clarify I meant that with ccbill there is no way to see who is doing this unless you have very few sales and/or sponsors merged under that account. They list processing charges on their payouts, but it is not broken down per sponsor.

[Wizzo]

When MayorsMoney does its 100% or 125% promotions its a true 100%, and yes we lose money on those days, but also it gives guys a chance to see how well we convert and retain members and we usually see many more joins at the standard 65% to make up for it...

[tranza]

Well, if you consider that sponsors are always making money with cross-sales, members area upsales, popups, e-mails and all, there'd never be a real 100% revshare.

[CIVMatt]

Originally Posted by BV

Revshare is for life. All the promos I have read say you get 100% revshare for the life of that member you send during the promo window.

Well not really there are major webcam sponsors that expire your revshare after a while

[Paul]

100% revshare is false advertising at best, it doesn't really change the fact that minus the processing fees you're getting 100% of what the signup is worth (plus rebills)

That's no scam, that's just a bloody good deal for affiliates.

[xxxRumor]

unless the sponsor is also paying the 12-14% processing fees! which I doubt is happening. So at best you are looking at 85-90%

No fucking kidding!

100% of what the signup is worth (plus rebills)
That's no scam, that's just a bloody good deal for affiliates.

If it is a promotion, it sure can't last forever or your 100% sponsor will go bankrupt very quickly or they are shaving off...

[Varius]

Originally Posted by HighEnergy

SmokeyTheBear has no business ethics BV, read 19,000 of his 20,000 posts. Scammer through and through. Always cutting corners, always pointing out the 'easy way', always a 'backdoor' answer. One of the people who have helped give the adult industry it's scummy position in society. Pure cellophane.

Are you high? I usually stay away from answering posters such as yourself, but I have to say STB is one of the more useful and informative posters on GFY. I almost always click his threads, more than I can say for the rest of GFY

[Theo The Theologian]

Originally Posted by Varius

Are you high? I usually stay away from answering posters such as yourself, but I have to say STB is one of the more useful and informative posters on GFY. I almost always click his threads, more than I can say for the rest of GFY

I agree. Smokey is one of the good guys.

PS God said to turn your lights off when leaving the room.

[Varius]

As a sponsor who has done 100% Revshare promos before, if you are doing a limited-time promotion you often expect to lose a little on it. Consider it part of your marketing budget, the idea being to attract new traffic to your program and hope some of it remains when the promo ends.

I think it is wrong for any program to charge the affiliate processing fees. I know one program who I like except for the fact their 60% is actually ends up as 53-54%. The program should swallow the fees and adjust their payouts accordingly IMO

For those programs who do offer a true 100% Revshare that's not a promotion, you have to think they are doing one of two things: making money from upsells, in which case more power to them if it means they can pay you more money out, or shaving you which with most programs is easily detected if you put a little effort into testing them.

[Varius]

Originally Posted by Theo The Theologian

I agree. Smokey is one of the good guys.

PS God said to turn your lights off when leaving the room.

His intel must be wrong, I work in the dark

[JakeR]

Originally Posted by Theo The Theologian

I'm not saying anything other than the fact that a certain billing company is charging 5% (for beta) so if someone wants to save some money on processing and gain more features they might want to icq me.

domestic or offshore?
I have a client that needs to shift about 40k/month
icq in sig

[Penny24Seven]

so 45 dollars a sale on a 29.99 membership is a scam? you are saying you can't get paid more then the sale buy they do it all the time,

[he-fox]

if the price of the membership is 29.95 and as an affiliate I get 29.95, it's 100% revshare.

now, there are some programs that deduct the processing costs from the membership price separately, there are some that do not.

offering 100% revshare for a limited period is a promotional incentive, not a long term business practice.

[BV]

Originally Posted by Hookers and School Girls

so 45 dollars a sale on a 29.99 membership is a scam? you are saying you can't get paid more then the sale buy they do it all the time,

you don't know what the hell your talking about,

sounds to me like your talking about pay per sign up, this thread is about revshare, where you get paid a percentage of every sale and every rebill until that member cancels

if the membership is 29.99 and it's 100% revshare, then you get 29.99 the first month, and then 29.99 each month that member rebills

in order to do a 100% revshare the sponsor would have to pay the processing fees which in this example would be about 4 bucks for the first sale and 4 bucks each rebill for as long as that member is active, thus it costs the sponsor money

----------------------------------

now i will ramble on a bit more in response to the other posts:

I understand that this can be a promo, but if the sponsor pays out 100% on the first sale and then back to normal on the rebills, that's not 100% revshare

if the sponsor takes out the processing fees and gives you the rest on every sale you make during the promo period (including all the rebills from those sales) that's cool, but still not 100% revshare

that's the point i'm making and the TITLE of this thread.

There is no 100% revshare!

and for that matter, look closely and don't be swayed by 80% revshare and shit like that

like don't choose one program over another just because one is 70 and the other is 60, READ THE FINE PRINT

and by all means look in the members area and see how many upsells there are, the last thing you want to do is send your members to a site with a members area that is full of leaks

Do you see adds for Burger king on the counter at Mcdonalds?
Do Playboy magazines have adds for Hustler?
Does GFY let you post links to other Adult message boards?

Fuck No! Why do you think that is?

[TheDoc]

My program pays 60%, and I pay the processing fees.. If I have a 100% promotion, you get 100%.

A program "can" pay 100% and cover the processing fees and continue to make money.

First all programs make a % of in-house sales from webmaster traffic, just natural error. Then a % of cancels will always return. Then you have 404's and 401's can earn a great deal of money, exits/pop under, emails and cancel mails, member upsells galore and member cross sales to your own or other sites, then xsales, upgrade plus, member plus and the mixture of processor money opportunities. Then getting the people onto your other traffic networks, creating bookmarks, cycling the traffic back through. Lets not forget webmaster error on getting the wrong codes or not following the promotion..

I haven't really looked at 100% programs or promotions before, so I can't say if they take out processing fees, but I don't think they all have to cover the truth. Traffic makes money in many ways.

[Dagwolf]

I'm having a Gomer moment. Well, Gaaawwwwwwwwlee!