Paul Markham, how do you get your traffic if you don't mind?

since you always say it's so easy to get, and I assume you're not talking about buying it...

Paul if VOD and PPV was king everyone would be doing it. It's just another rev stream. It will never replace $30-$40 a month paysites.

The answer is yes

we are getting close to 500 :) there are lots of days we have lots of rebills so I know we will make it soon and 90% on our own

That's a dif business model completely. If you want to sell your overexposed crap for $2, go to town. Many places are giving it away free as lost leader to lure in surfers (on tubes and elsewhere) so you might have troubles even at a $2 price point.


Trying to sell the same filler stuff you're whoring out must really suck. I get the feeling that the content you make means nothing to you and you'd sell it all to anyone who offers you 5 cents. I'm sure that turns off other affiliates from promoting you, I know it does for me.



So as a consolation, I got these for you to grasp at......

http://www.kidstar.com/kidstar/kidst...y%20Straws.JPG

Only used once :winkwink:

Thats good going especially for a new paysite how many chargebacks have you had since opening it and also what site is it in reference too?
What method of gaining traffic to it has helped it grow quite fast?

I'm sorry for signing up 93,231 times :(

post your site and your program, you might increase your member base..

with Claudia Marie site? It looks good, but with better tour, I am sure it would kick ass. some great content you have there.

ummm.... hate to break it to you, but they're not the morons.

traffic is 99% of it
 

It seems like if your ratios are pretty constant, then it's just a matter of getting the targeted traffic from the right sources..


With 7000 members I'd expect to see pics of at least the Maserati coupe.

Who bumped this??

That site is part of iocash i am not familiar with them.

I know of a fetish site that has approx 40,000+ members paying $40 a month......What site? actually they have a low profile on gfy...but if you look around at a few big fetish sites and see who offers high quality inhouse content and who recently made a huge purchase it shouldnt be so hard to figure out who it is :thumbsup

So who's worked it out yet?

if they rebill is a lot then!

A real thread with a good question and even some honest answers
7k of members at $30 a month recuring more than 98% of GFY would kill for those numbers.

That is if you take everything people write on boards at face value of course!

Kink.com ?

Sounds feasable. Started in 1997. Quality sites. Niched. Exclusive content. Not much competition in the value/niche/quality area.

Has to be kink.com in fetish. There is no one else.

Hm, not so sure about that.

who else then

yes its Kink.Com ,I dont think they mind I say who it is ,its a testament of thier hard work,investment and quality ..

And how would you know exactly ?

That just might be the dumbest bit of information ever given on GFY.

Kink has ALOT more members then 40k, neither of their sites alone has 40k tho, your info is flawed.

DollarKing.....I can show you the proof....but take it at face value or dismiss it !

It was a reply ,not a commerical/source/In depth disclosure of someones business.

Ladida..Quote;
Kink has ALOT more members then 40k, neither of their sites alone has 40k tho, your info is flawed.


Ladida....Dont be a smart ass put up your icq and lets see how smart you are !

Im waiting :1orglaugh

Give me an email, i don't have icq, but you missed the number by around 3 times.

Get a calculator and work out how many times we have to sell a scene to get it in front of 10% of Teen paysites members. Pretty awesome sales don't you agree?

Or are you telling everyone we sell a scene to 10 clients, who can't put it on TGPs, and that's enough to saturate the scene. With 2,000 teen paysites the notion that content can be so easily saturated is foolish.

Unless we sell it 200 times. 200 x $40 = $8,000 a scene. :thumbsup

Can anyone explain how content gets "over exposed" in a major niche? It's on lots of great sites that have lots of members who see it. Must be good content that members like.

It's all over the place on free sites. This applies to Exclusive content and is about the number of affiliates whoring it.

It's crap over exposed content that will never sell on a site. So how is it getting over exposed?

As for the example of $2 sites, it was an example of making more money selling for less. Seems to many have never heard of Kay Mart and Woolworth or Video Box. :1orglaugh

I think that would be K mart, woolworth and I never heard of last one.
K-mart went down and barely pulled out of bankruptcy. Woolsworth didnt last and is gone as far as I know though I do miss their lunch counters.

Maybe you should of just said Wal Mart.


Now to work like them you need volume, lots and lots of fucking volume. That would be traffic to us. Traffic costs money to aquire and doesnt get to much cheaper the more you buy. It is a commodity. Sort of why you do not see Wal mart selling gold under market value.

Yes I will agree that is it hard to saturate a typical set of content in a general niche. Problem is though that the traffic volumes in a general niche is more of a diced up pie as everyone has those general niche sites and is after that same traffic pool.

I am not going to dismiss your 5.00 sites as I have a site that is in a slightly higher price range that I have been testing for sometime with my own traffic. I.E. No affiliates, so the overhead is next to nothing. So far not super impressed with the cash return over an exclusive micro niche but only time will tell. So I will figure it out more after a year or so as I figured I would give it at least two years to run on auto pilot.

7K members even if every single one of them was sent via an affiliate and you're paying them 60% is still $84K per month minus processing fee's at $30 per member.

I'm pretty damn sure thats more than enough to cover costs for a paysite. Congrats!

Yeah no shit and you know damn well unless your stupid that they would be getting a good volume discount from their hosting provider. So I would guess their real outflow of cash would be new content and possibly affiliates assuming they have them.

Yet even assuming they updated daily with an exclusive set (video and pics) and it was of good quality (1500.00 range) that would be 42k a month.

If they were a PPS and those are their own rebills that is sick.
If they are revshare ok they are out what say 20.00 for every thirty they collect (ya know support, additional hosting costs, designs, processing, etc). So thats 70k coming in a month.
Assume hosting was in the 10k range.

70-42-10= 18k a month not counting upsells, cross sells, and so forth and using some very sick number adjustments. Hell that is still 216k a year plus they would own 365 exclusive scenes per year, hell that is 73 dvd's worth that they could get distribution for and more than likely pick up an additional 10 to 15k per dvd if they got with the right company. So you could actually add in almost another 700k a year minus a few other costs if done right.

Though we all know that most of those costs would not be that high. So a real congrats to anyone that has hit 7k of members if they are rebilling and not if you just happend to have hit your 7 thousandth member sold.

Video Box.

Woolworth are still in the UK and still working. However I do agree with you on you need bulk. The less the price the more you need to sell it to make the same turn over.

However the problem is the surfer. They're not cooperating and if they are for you then good for you. I see more and more of them moving to cheaper sites or even Tube and Torrent sites. You MUST have the surfers willing to pay $30 to charge $30, you can keep increasing traffic but eventually unless you're selling something others do not have price will enter into it.

And just because she's exclusive on your site does not mean she's not on 100 other sites and girls like her on 1,000 other sites. To be exclusive takes a bit more then that.

How long will the surfer continue to pay $30 is the big question. Every surfer that hits a $5 site is another one wondering why the last site is charging $30. For all he needs.

Traffic is a commodity and I don't build tools for affiliates because I don't appreciate them. I'm actually posting to say this could all end. There may come a day when $5 is all you can charge, because that's all the consumer will pay.

And please look at everything around you and see where it was made. You did not buy because it was built in the country you live in, you bought it because it was the best deal you could get. A product is only worth what the consumer will pay.

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I hear what you're saying about saturated content, a scene getting saturated is a myth, or a very old scene. A model getting saturated is a problem, but will sponsors pay the money to keep her exclusive? Not normal. A scenario may become saturated, but I've mad a small fortune off shooting "blondes on sofas". If you want me to shoot her on a roof top, under water, on a palm beach, will you pay the extra? Not normal.

I used to fly to Lanzarote, Spain or Portugal 4-5 times a year. With 2 other shooters and 5-6 girls. Can do it again anytime anyone wants to pay for it. I will switch on ICQ waiting for the rush. LOL

The reason the scenario is saturated is sponsors want to pay $300 to $500 a solo girl scene. And if she's a pretty blonde on a sofa they prefer that to spending enough so we can shoot her on a beach or by a villa.

This is the view I see. A scene selling at $3 will sell 200 times, a scene selling at $30 will sell 15 times. (Don't question the price, it's an EXAMPLE). So if sponsors and webmasters really cared about saturated content they would be buying a lot more $30 sets. They would but they don't.

Which brings me back to where I started, you buy on price. So will the surfer.

Paul like i said I am trying a low priced huge quantity licensed material paysite and have had it up for over a year now. Not going to side either way on that issue as it was a test I started long ago. I just wanted to see how it would stack up.

To me dollar for dollar I still make much more with exclusive micro niche sites where volume is impossible and content can get saturated. I know eventually I will get jacked some from pirates and I will DMCA where I can. However my members are willing to spend the 7.50 per scene they get per month at my micro niche sites. Oh I also sell the scenes (much older ones) via clip/vod sites for the same rate. They are more than happy to pay a premium and alas seem to be very stable as well unlike other markets.

I guess I am saying general porn will suffer much more and maybe will have to adapt or be in the premium or best of the best range to command a high monthly price in these times ahead.

People will always pay extra for micro porn, assuming it's not cheaper else where. And that's my argument. Unless we ignore every single buying trend ever we will suffer with a price war.

Out of every 1,000, will 10 people sign up at $30 or would 20 sign up at $15? Probably not and not what I suspect.

I suspect it will go this way, out of every 1,000 5 will sign up at $30 and 10 will sign up at $15, the guys on $30 will lose out to the guys on $15 and they will lose to the guys on $5.

The guys selling $30 memberships are screaming about the $15 site guys, who simply don't care. They are taking the $30 clients and doing less work to get $15. Would your cheap site make more money if it was $30 or would it cost more and take more work which would eat into the profits?

I know I can make more money selling cheap content, because more will buy it who don't care about quality and exclusivity. No matter what the sponsor and affiliates post on quality and exclusivity the reality is the main thing 95% buy on is price. The over all spend on content is less, but less money is spent with less content providers who make more money.

The surfer is no different than webmaster and sponsors. He will not buy if he knows it's cheaper elsewhere. This has nothing to do with running a paysite or porn, it's human nature and experience in selling.