50 .........

OK , So now that we all have been educated about being lied to and taken advantage of , we are all victims...
What do we do now?????
If our founding fathers came back at this very moment ( most all of them Christians) what do you think they would say??????
They gave us the right to bear arms so things like this wouldnt happen ( forget about the religeon thing , ive herd we are from fish to martins in theroy) What now???
I think if Georg Washington came back today he would say something like "LETS START KILLING MOTHER-FUCKERS"....
But we all know that isnt going to happen , is it ????
Thank you for the Movie , it was very inspiring and emmotional , but like one of the posts said above ;"lets all just go back to work like good little sheep before we all get indicted for being terorests or comunists or maybe even rebels..."Every so offten the tree of Democrecy must be watered with the blood of Patriots..... Thomas Jefferson

Goes to show you what real men are founding fathers really were.
God bless all of you
P.S. The quot above may be slightly off but i'm sure you all get the picture. :ak47:
By the way , i have 2-younger brothers that just came home around 2-months ago from Iraq....
Marines , the two of them... As a matter of fact the older of the two came home with ,the way he describs it, a Prime-rib size piece taken out of his left thigh.... the result of an RPG (Rocket propeled Grenade).
The guy in front of him was blown apart.
He says when they would enter a village on patrol , to start kicking in doors, the people , natives, would run out and greet them with hot tea.....
He talked about the troops having to rummedge through the dumps to find Steal to put on the door of there humm-v's as protection and how the Gov has body armour that will prevent AK-47 rounds from cutting through there personal b/armour like butter ,but the gov wont give it to them as its to expessive, the new stuff i mean....
They didnt have any interest in re-signing.....
The older of the two brothers has two combat tours ( Afganistan and Iraq) and a purple hart....
When he returned to the states he called me irate...
Turns out that when he came home with only 2-3 weeks left , he was in a short timers squad...
Most of the men in this squad had a whole bunch of combat experience...
They had a young (ass-hole ) sargent that, insted of letting them go home after role call , he made them pick up PINE-CONE'S around the base....
Thanks for staying in harms way for over 3.11 years and getting a nice chunk of your ass blown off YOU PEICE OF SHIT is what he figures he was being told...
I am sure many of you have a story so ill leave it here. Thank you again for the film.....
Take care all....

interesting stuff

Just finished, watched the whole thing.

Part I - I never believe in religion to begin with, so yeah woohoo.
Part II - Utter disgust that it could be true
Part III - Eek, Don't want to have kids and put them through that shiot.

Incredible video though, true or not it is hands down the absolute best "conspiracy" theory ever. Utterly outstanding, and I'm glad to have seen it. :thumbsup

That's exactly what I was thinking about half way through. I was like, "ok time for a revolution, where do i sign up, will there be coffee?"

I saw dat:pimp

6011(a) General rule
When required by regulations prescribed by the Secretary any person made liable for any tax imposed by this title, or with respect to the collection thereof, shall make a return or statement according to the forms and regulations prescribed by the Secretary. Every person required to make a return or statement shall include therein the information required by such forms or regulations.

When required... doesn't say who is required..
Every person required to make a return... doesn't say who is required..

6151(a) General rule
Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return).

Again... doesn't say who is required...

Neither of those codes are laws requiring anyone to pay anything...

Now.. go find the title or regulation that actually requires a wage earner to file and pay taxes on those wages...

They work with the knowledge that they have all the money in the world to fight, where the average Joe Citizen can't afford the battle..

nifty video...

Well I can name one big one off the top of my head. C.S. Lewis.

So what do people think about the 9/11 section?

The buildings fell demolition style.

The steel all came down with it, and was cut.

There was molten metal burning hotter than jet fuel can.

You can't fly a huge plane into the first floor of the pentagon.

And that other plane that crashed just vaporized?

The military couldn't stop 2 planes headed directly for downtown NY?

They faked a Bin Laden video and lied over and over.

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I just linked this on a Colorado based board I'm on. Holy shit. I know it's a hardcore red state and anything anti- republicans, religion, current administration gets heat. But shit, guess I'll think twice about posting anything unless it's from FOX news from now on.

Still taking heat. Not one person's even watched it yet either, just bitching.

When people have their minds made up, and don't want to have to go through the process of maybe changing their views on some things, they avoid any sources that could maybe cause it to happen...

I'm downloading the flv file and will watch it later, thanks.

For real. It's sad. :upsidedow

Good video...Well put together, with lotta interesting info.

Heard a lot of it all before, so maybe i'm a bit numb to it all by now, but the video that really blew me away was:

RING OF POWER Pt 1: RING OF POWER Pt 2
From the mystery religions of ancient Egypt to the Zionist role in 9/11, "Ring Of Power" unrevises 4000 years of revisionist human history with never - before - seen revelations. "Ring Of Power" puzzles together the pieces of a giant puzzle into one BIG PICTURE documentary series.

Part I: 9/11 THE UNTOLD STORY (38 min.) Half the world believes Muslims were responsible for 9/11. The other half believes Israeli Zionists were responsible. Who?s right?

Part II: HIDDEN EMPIRE (22 min.) The world?s most powerful empire is not the U.S.A. It is an empire that insiders call ?Empire Of The City?.

Part III: TRAIL OF THE PHARAOHS (25 min.) Did the Biblical Abraham really live to be 175? Did Moses really turn staffs into snakes and rivers into blood?

Part IV: GOD AND THE QUEEN (30 min.) Genealogy charts show that British and French royalty are descendants of Mary Magdalene and Jesus Christ. Is it true?

Part V: ALL THE QUEEN?S MEN (22 min.) How rich and powerful is Queen Elizabeth II?

Part VI: THE GODFATHERS (30 min.) They scammed control of the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, then they found GOD ? Gold, Oil and Drugs.

Part VII: CHEATING AT MONOPOLY (52 min.) How many people would play a game of monopoly if the banker was cheating and fixing the rules? Over 6 billion.

Part VIII: ASSES OF EVIL (29 min.) The New World Order Mafia are invisible rulers who make puppets out of politicians, heroes out of villains and villains out of heroes.

Part IX: KING OF HEARTS (22 min.) The ultimate goal of ?insiders? is to disarm the world and create one world empire under one world ruler. Who is he?

Part X: SOLUTIONS (28 min.) Protesting and writing letters to deaf politicians doesn?t work. What does work?

The 16th amendment -
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."




documentaries are the new religion, praying on the weak minded

No one wrote about Jesus when he was said to have lived. They all wrote after the fact and through word of mouth.

Vote Ron Paul and hope to say bye bye to the IRS. If we were to stop taking income taxes right now, that would bring the total money that the US gov has to spend back to the year 2000 amount. Are we saying that we can not make changes and spend less? I think we could find a way without stealing everyones incomes.

That amendment is limited by article I.. and it didn't give congress any new taxing powers...


The Supreme Court, in a decision written by Chief Justice White, first noted that the Sixteenth Amendment did not authorize any new type of tax, nor did it repeal or revoke the tax clauses of Article I of the Constitution? Direct taxes were, notwithstanding the advent of the Sixteenth Amendment, still subject to the rule of apportionment and indirect taxes were still subject to the rule of uniformity.

How long is this intro.?

The question was what law required people to pay, that law is.

Since you asked, it's section 6012 which goes into great detail on who is required to pay.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/irc6012.pdf

back to the top

I'm not talking about atheists who converted to Christianity and then became theologians. I'm talking about actual atheists who became theologians because they wanted to study theology.

K i watched this whole fucking thing and what intrigued me the most was from 1:39 min into the movie till the end. It talks about the one world goverment and the money. Its scary to even watch this part of this movie to me. I Advise everyone to watch this movie from an hour 39 min on till the end. Only 20 min or so. PLEASE

Fun with logic... Dogs are so playful ... ^^
 

My general rule is:

I don't believe any conspiracy that I'm not a part of... ^^

As soon a you deny the existence of a plausible group... then you become part of the conspiracy if you side with or against such an entity ...

Simple logic... I'll quit my day job and walk dogs... if I'm wrong !!!

Don't believe me... ^^

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Actually 6012 tries to say who is required to file returns... not pay taxes.. and is an enforcement code.. not an imposing code.....

You have to establish who is required to actually pay before any return requirement can apply...

The privacy act states that you must file a return or statement with us for any tax you are liable for.

The only code that shows who is liable is 3403..
Only employers and withholding agents are liable...
Now who are withholding agents? 7701 (a) (16)

(16) Withholding agent. The term ''withholding agent'' means any person required to deduct and withhold any tax under the provisions of sections
1441 - Withholding of tax on nonresident aliens
1442 - Withholding of tax on foreign corporations
1443 - Foreign tax-exempt organizations
1461 - Liability for withheld tax

Sooo.. citizens aren't liable for taxes on U.S. wages.

Now.. the form required to be filled out pertinent to 6012 has an OMB number of 1545-0067.. This is form 2555 - Foreign Earned Income
1.6012-0................................ 1545-0067

Form 1040 is used if there are refunds, deductions, etc for what taxes that are required, but not for a requirement to pay..

This could go on forever....
What the law says and what the courts do can be two totally different things because of the confusions and gray areas of the code...

If you want to get to the guts of it all and like to read alot, it's all here with the codes references and the whole speal.....
Not a conspiracy site... just all the guts...

wheres franck calling everyone an idiot who watched this?

wheres 12 clicks sticking up for his republican party?

wheres stickeyfingerz?

nothing to say? man these three are sheep..they are the ones holding the doors open for fellow prisoners and claiming that there looks to be good food up a head in the holding cells....dont worry they'd say this is for our own good


Sheep....and i mean in the worst way possible

They are too busy wondering how Ron Paul a free thinker is the best choice for president :thumbsup

You forgot that they'd actually have to watch it 1st...not very likely
And the fact that the director's not overweight seems to throw them off...there goes 1/2 of their arguments against it right there ::winkwink:

I know, 6151 is the code that requires you to pay it.

Those required to pay are those who are required to file. It states so in 6151.
The Privacy Act thing is one of the weakest arguments made by these sites. There's a ton of court cases that have rejected every one of these arguments from US vs Wunder, Salberg vs US, US vs Holden, Lonsdale vs US, US vs Neff, and US vs Hicks.

You can argue that the courts are all wrong, but the judicial branch has the job of interpreting law. If they say the law stands and rejects the case, then it stands. Are you saying that the courts are all wrong? The only argument you can make is based on that, since every issue you brought up has been ruled on by our courts over many decades.

And I've read through sites like that. They have interesting interpretations of our laws. But it doesn't matter what they think, it matters what a court says about it.

Zeitgeist [(tseyt-geyst, zeyt-geyst)]


The general moral, intellectual, and cultural climate of an era; Zeitgeist is German for ?time-spirit.? For example, the Zeitgeist of England in the Victorian period included a belief in industrial progress, and the Zeitgeist of the 1980s in the United States was a belief in the power of money and the many ways in which to spend it.

The problem comes from the fact that the courts benefit from the law and that puts them in direct conflict to even rule on the law. This law is a catch 22 when it hits the courts.

We would not need an income tax at all if we used tariffs properly and stop hiding behind "free trade" Like our wonderful free trade with China. Our products shipped to China get a 25% while their products shipped here only get a 2.5% tax! :helpme

Tom Cryer just beat the IRS on Friday:warning:warning

Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...WS03/707130321


The prosecution could not state any law making the average American liable for the income tax. All the prosecution could point out was rulings by two lower courts. However, as Tom Cryer stated The lower courts cannot overturn the Supreme Court and Tom Cryer stated numerous Supreme Court Ruling that conflicted with the IRS version of the law.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it." :thumbsup

6151. Time and place for paying tax shown on return
(a) General rule
Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall......

Again... where does it require me to pay it... It just says when it's required it must be paid by a certain time and place...

The laws lead straight to the fact that it's all about tax on foreign income... It's the courts that twist the wording, definitions, and intentions of those laws..

The courts, judges, prosecutors, etc. have to win because their client is also their boss... The govt'... Kind of a conflict of interest..

Even some in congress say it's illegal.. It'll blow up one day, then they'll act like they're doing us a favor and implement the 17% across the board tax, or some other remedy to get rid of the irs...

I read a case about a guy who was hauled in for failure to pay.. The code they used against him was 7203 which is a penalty code and not a law that can be violated... When he asked to see the law that he broke before entering a plea, the judge said, "You know what law you broke".. so they never even provided the law that he broke... just the code that provided the penalties if he in fact broke the law...

That's how they work..

I don't know how many times we can go in this circle. 6011 and 6012 tells us that we are required to file a return and who is required to do it. 6151 requires that those required to file a return (as determined by 6011 and 6012) pay it.

You can keep posting things off the website, but I, the Constitution, Federal, Apellate and Supreme Courts, IRS tax codes, and almost all accountants and tax attorneys would disagree with you.

I'm not arguing with you on it, just stating what the courts have stated are law. If you don't agree with their decisions, vote them out, vote in people who will appoint ones that agree with your point of view, etc. I don't see how the courts have a conflict of interest considering they are taxpayers themselves. But trying to find little loopholes and plays on words that have been smacked down by every court in the country for decades is not going to change a thing.

I'll be honest i havent watched the movie but jesus lives down the block from me and is very real.. :winkwink:

I dont have to watch the movie to know 9-11 was an "inside job" , problem is that "inside job" is a terrible term to use as it implies some guy sitting behind a desk ordering some "hit" on america , and this couldn't be further from the truth.

in my opinion only a small handfull of people other than those who took part in the attack had ANY information about 9-11 beforhand.. and i don't think 1 person in the american government knew what was going to happen..

That being said i think MANY government officials ignored warnings and helped build a climate of "hate" based on their own financial or political gain

if you stick a lion in a cage and poke it with a stick everyday, you cant predict or know how the attack will take place but you do KNOW that once that lion gets a chance he will fuck some shit up..

5:15 is when the intro finishes, just incase any body wants to skip it.

Especially when they immediately seize all of his property and freeze his bank accounts.

Someone set up the explosives in building 7, and someone told the 9/11 commission to ignore than demolition completely. I don't think it was any elected official but there had to be someone in the CIA or some military/intelligence black ops division directly and knowingly involved.

That is called guilty before proven innocent :thumbsup Another reason the 16th and IRS are unconstitutional

It's WAY easier to ignore reality and just watch TV than it is to admit to yourself that we're living in a horrific tyranny and are controlled by fear. 99% of people are weak minded cowards, myself included.

absofrickenlutely

Nor am I arguing with you.. I enjoy mature debate..

and as for me grabbing stuff of of a website... I'm just giving you the laws from title 26.. from Cornell U. actually..
and I can dig up supreme court rulings in favor of defendants... but I'm refering to actual law with this stuff..

and again..
6011 says, "any person made liable for any tax...." I showed you the law that states who is liable....
6012 says, "Every individual having for the taxable year gross income..."
A requirement for those who are liable..

It's all about foreign income... Now I'm talking about personal taxes.. not business tax as that does fall under laws that specifically state taxes are required as a right to do business.. Excise taxes and the like.. which is what the 16th amendment was about..

But you won't find any law that specifically states that an individual is required by that law to pay taxes on wages from U.S. sources.. as this is, or is supposed to be protected by the 1st amendment which supercedes any amendment unless repealed.

If you'll think about it... If there was such a law, there wouldn't be near as much controversy over the laws pertaining to 'income tax' .. and this has been going on for years where courts decide in different ways how it's supposed to be a law.. Some win.. some lose..

Why do you think all of the wording is so grey and confusing when it doesn't have to be..

And.. the site I referred you to is offering 10,000 bucks if you can show them an actual requirement law...

So I guess we can shake hands and just agree to disagree..

I understand what you're saying and I'm sure many people agree with that interpretation of the law. I'm just saying that until a judge says otherwise, the way we have it now is law.

And I'm not for our tax system, I hate it. I pay way too much while a huge percent of the population pays nothing. Money is stolen from me for Social Security and other services I'll never use or get back in value. But sites and movies like that don't do any good for the cause of less taxes or fairer taxes. It just fills heads telling people that they don't have to pay taxes when they do. I think the efforts of people like that would be better spent fixing the problems we have with our tax system instead of trying to find loopholes and bringing up issues that were settled by the courts many times.

What do you think of the Tom Cryer ruling this past Friday July 13,2007 I mentioned a few posts up? What impact, if any will come of it?

I think it will give more people the guts to fight the system. But I still don't think it will do much. It was a regular court and misdemeanor charges that he beat. Someone needs to win a case in the Supreme Court for something to change.

It's also worth noting that his case was more complicated then people see. It involved trusts and other stuff that he didn't file on. But the basis of his argument is that you can't say that someone's own labor is not an expense.

Damn do I really have 2hrs to waste watchin this?

Well.. the courts settle it in both directions... that's the problem...

And .. it may take more and more people to say, "Enough is enough.."

This could be where it's headed..

Congressman John Linder authored the The FairTax Act, H.R. 25 with these backers as of 2005...

Senator Tom Coburn (Oklahoma)
Congressman Henry Brown (South Carolina)
Congressman Dan Burton (Indiana)
Congressman John Carter (Texas)
Congressman John (Jimmy) Duncan (Tennessee)
Congressman Duncan Hunter (California)
Congressman Tom Tancredo (Colorado)

The Fair Tax Book (Amazon)
In the face of the outlandish American tax burden, talk-radio firebrand Neal Boortz and Congressman John Linder are leading the charge to phase out our current, unfair system and enact the FairTax Plan, replacing the federal income tax and withholding system with a simple 23 percent retail sales tax on new goods and services. This dramatic revision of the current system, which would eliminate the reviled IRS, has already caught fire in the American heartland, with more than six hundred thousand taxpayers signing on in support of the plan.

Blasphemy..repent sinners..Jesus forgives everybody..halleluya

More fun with logic...
 

Ok... well... I did not do it... ^^

There seems to be something missing... for example if such criminal individuals and or groups do exist but are seen as legal entities and they are just a few then I must ask then the question... when these families get introduced to each other and they have children and their children have children then after many generation why would you want to create wars and hardship for their own people... I think the history was described very well... however its hard to describe the future without causing much problems...

It is very normal for money to influence people, however if such people are as influential as being indicated, then money is not a factor... It seems to be a trend for people to think that the US controls everything; however this is not the actual case... There are many governments who have their own "spooks" who are always looking out for trouble... I don't mean going out of their way as to cause problems... so to say only a few individuals and or groups control everything is a bit of a stretch...

In the beginning of the movie they point out a very possible history that effects our day to day lives... however did not go into detail about possible secret groups, but rather just a few individuals...

Is their a secret war ?


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