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fantasycontent · 09-03-2002, 11:17 AM

Ok guys there have been a few posts about this before?so who wants to work together??

I talked to an attourney and from the intial look over it sounds like the best thing to do is work as a group to investigate the valitidity of these patents and prepare a defense against these guys.

This is something that not only effects content providers but anyone who is delivering video over the internet.

Acacia is probably well orchestrated in shaking down people in our position and have been through this many times. If they sue, the defense mostly likely will cost tens of thousands of dollars. Fighting this alone could put some out of business or force us to change the way we do business (unless of course you pay them their fee, which I an not willing NOT do).

Anyone who wants to participate in the group effort will obviously have to contribute money for the attorney and possibly time to help research things to help keep the costs down of having the attorney do it for us. Once we know who is going to particicpate we can talk as a group about what we need to do to proceed and how things should be distributed.

Those who want to particpate please email or icq me.

[email protected]

89361136

Krome · 09-03-2002, 11:23 AM

I own the trademark to "Acacia Business" in the UK and Europe as that was my main holding company when I worked in the musice industry as it was my address...totally not relevant post...

Fletch XXX · 09-03-2002, 11:25 AM

Provide more links Dan.

fantasycontent · 09-03-2002, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Provide more links Dan.

here is the company http://www.acaciaresearch.com/main.html

The Machine · 09-03-2002, 11:35 AM

use downloadable MPEGs and forget about those guys.

m0rph3us · 09-03-2002, 11:37 AM

do you mind telling us what this is about?

Why would Acacia sue anyone delivering video over the internet? Did they invent and patent 'video'? Did they patent microsoft's codecs..avi?

Please explain. Thanks!

fantasycontent · 09-03-2002, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Machine
use downloadable MPEGs and forget about those guys.

That is what we are doing.

fantasycontent · 09-03-2002, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us
do you mind telling us what this is about?

Why would Acacia sue anyone delivering video over the internet? Did they invent and patent 'video'? Did they patent microsoft's codecs..avi?

Please explain. Thanks!

They are claiming that they invented the means to package and deliver video over the internet. So if you are a content provider who allows your customers to download their video this is a violation. If you have a video site that your surfers can pay for a video and watch it on their computer then this is also a violation.

The Machine · 09-03-2002, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by fantasycontent
That is what we are doing.

so what - they will tell you that they invented the concept of distributing files over the internet? and i mean files in general, not necessarily videos. downloadable MPEGs are just like any file, including html, .pdf, etc.

The Machine · 09-03-2002, 12:06 PM

now, if you use streaming, that's another issue - they may have a claim there.

here's a link i found about those guys - and it looks like they mean business:

<a href=http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020724/242032_1.html> from Yahoo</a>

MrPopup · 09-03-2002, 12:07 PM

These are just lawyers trolling for suckers to bully into paying licensing fees.

They pick the porn industry first to try and hit those with the most money and least likely to know patent law.

Similar STUPID patent cases....

Email Forwarding

Hyperlink Patent

JPEG Patent

MrPopup · 09-03-2002, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantasycontent
I talked to an attourney and from the intial look over it sounds like the best thing to do is work as a group to investigate the valitidity of these patents and prepare a defense against these guys.

TRANSLATED LAWYERSPEAK: Get as many of your rich porn buddies together and I'll bill as many people as possible.

Brown Bear · 09-03-2002, 12:16 PM

Al Gore invented the Internet, so just call him and he'll have a chat with them Acacia guys and it will be allllllll goooood.

Zentropy · 09-03-2002, 01:12 PM

The USPTO approves thousands of totally bogus patents every year. The patent most likely never should have been granted and I suggest anyone with a sincere concern about this hire a good patent attorney to do a little research and have the USPTO invalidate the patent for any of the dozens of reasons it never should have been granted. I imagine 20 separate attacks on it would be much more effective that a single group effort, the cost involved is less than some of you folks make in a day.

NikKay · 09-03-2002, 01:36 PM

I just got my letter today... if anyone hears anything, let me know. Im going to hold off on consulting an attorney for now.l

m0rph3us · 09-03-2002, 01:56 PM

"The company's pioneering patents relate to audio and video transmission and receiving systems, commonly known as audio-on-demand and video-on-demand, used for distributing content via several means including the Internet, cable television systems, direct broadcast satellite systems and wireless systems. "

I'm fucking confused.. what the hell did these guys patent? Right click save target as... ? The idea of streaming video?

The video codecs all have a company that created them (MPEG = Moving Picture Experts Group; WMV/ASF = Mircosoft; AVI = Mircosoft; DivX = Divx)

Then the players are from various companies (xing, mircosoft etc..)

So what did these guys come up with? TCP/IP?

Can we get an expert opinion on this please....

RATBOY · 09-03-2002, 02:55 PM

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,132,992

The above link is one of the patents these guys are trying to claim as thiers. This is straight off the US patent office government website. Inventors are Yurt; Paul and Browne; H. Lee. I can't find who currently own these patents.

Here's the rest of the patents they claim.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,550,863

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,002,720

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,144,702

09-03-2002, 11:17 AM	#1
fantasycontent Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: FSF Web Media Inc. Posts: 2,104	Acacia Patents - who wants to work together Ok guys there have been a few posts about this before?so who wants to work together?? I talked to an attourney and from the intial look over it sounds like the best thing to do is work as a group to investigate the valitidity of these patents and prepare a defense against these guys. This is something that not only effects content providers but anyone who is delivering video over the internet. Acacia is probably well orchestrated in shaking down people in our position and have been through this many times. If they sue, the defense mostly likely will cost tens of thousands of dollars. Fighting this alone could put some out of business or force us to change the way we do business (unless of course you pay them their fee, which I an not willing NOT do). Anyone who wants to participate in the group effort will obviously have to contribute money for the attorney and possibly time to help research things to help keep the costs down of having the attorney do it for us. Once we know who is going to particicpate we can talk as a group about what we need to do to proceed and how things should be distributed. Those who want to particpate please email or icq me. [email protected] 89361136 __________________ http://www.fantasycontent.com http://www.x-ratedresources.com http://www.fantasymodeling.com/

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m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	do you mind telling us what this is about? Why would Acacia sue anyone delivering video over the internet? Did they invent and patent 'video'? Did they patent microsoft's codecs..avi? Please explain. Thanks! __________________ <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Get paid $25 per signup</a> listing over <a href="http://galleries.18blowjobs.com/hosted.html" target="_blank">100 free hosted video galleries</a> - <a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Check it</a> » </font>

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MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	These are just lawyers trolling for suckers to bully into paying licensing fees. They pick the porn industry first to try and hit those with the most money and least likely to know patent law. Similar STUPID patent cases.... Email Forwarding Hyperlink Patent JPEG Patent __________________ <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="1" bgcolor="#008000"><tr><td><font size=3>Gone</font></td></tr></table>

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Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	I own the trademark to "Acacia Business" in the UK and Europe as that was my main holding company when I worked in the musice industry as it was my address...totally not relevant post...

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The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	use downloadable MPEGs and forget about those guys.

09-03-2002, 12:06 PM	#10
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	now, if you use streaming, that's another issue - they may have a claim there. here's a link i found about those guys - and it looks like they mean business: <a href=http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020724/242032_1.html> from Yahoo</a>

09-03-2002, 01:12 PM	#14
Zentropy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Snottsdale Posts: 87	The USPTO approves thousands of totally bogus patents every year. The patent most likely never should have been granted and I suggest anyone with a sincere concern about this hire a good patent attorney to do a little research and have the USPTO invalidate the patent for any of the dozens of reasons it never should have been granted. I imagine 20 separate attacks on it would be much more effective that a single group effort, the cost involved is less than some of you folks make in a day.

09-03-2002, 01:36 PM	#15
NikKay Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,642	I just got my letter today... if anyone hears anything, let me know. Im going to hold off on consulting an attorney for now.l

09-03-2002, 01:56 PM	#16
m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	"The company's pioneering patents relate to audio and video transmission and receiving systems, commonly known as audio-on-demand and video-on-demand, used for distributing content via several means including the Internet, cable television systems, direct broadcast satellite systems and wireless systems. " I'm fucking confused.. what the hell did these guys patent? Right click save target as... ? The idea of streaming video? The video codecs all have a company that created them (MPEG = Moving Picture Experts Group; WMV/ASF = Mircosoft; AVI = Mircosoft; DivX = Divx) Then the players are from various companies (xing, mircosoft etc..) So what did these guys come up with? TCP/IP? Can we get an expert opinion on this please.... __________________ <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Get paid $25 per signup</a> listing over <a href="http://galleries.18blowjobs.com/hosted.html" target="_blank">100 free hosted video galleries</a> - <a href="http://www.18blowjobs.com/webmasters/?640" target="_blank">Check it</a> » </font>

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RATBOY Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,592	http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,132,992 The above link is one of the patents these guys are trying to claim as thiers. This is straight off the US patent office government website. Inventors are Yurt; Paul and Browne; H. Lee. I can't find who currently own these patents. Here's the rest of the patents they claim. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,550,863 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,002,720 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,144,702 Last edited by RATBOY; 09-03-2002 at 03:13 PM..