[LeBrat] is a music-nazi ;p


I like him... I was a community DJ, I have played bands you have never heard of...

Well,
I am not real sure your going to make it as a country song writer
But one thing you've got right is you Can and will make BIG $$ with Icecoldcash ... :thumbsup

It sounds like nothing you listen to, you will only dislike it and mock it to the best of your abilities.

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Yes, I will. Stand up and take it like a man.

Besides, Maybe I'll like it.

Scooter,

It's the message that's important. That song is all about the love.

Redline 1
Redline 2

Redline. Not on our label. Connection is giving me grief so just gonna go with whats already there.

A prime beautiful example of what we call New York style beatdown hardcore.

Dont try and dissect it. Dont try and understand it. Dont try and compare it to anything you have ever heard. Hardcore stands alone. Pay attention to the breakdowns and structure and recognize what all this numetal faggotry is trying to immitate.

They have no videos on mtv. A show with them in any given city would probably ony draw a hundred people MAX, and that would be if there were other bands as well, and the crowd would be comprised of people loyal to the hardcore scene. No blue haired mallrats, no stinky crusties, maybe a few skinhead crossover but thats about it. Just tattoos and shaved heads. A thing of beauty. Redline is true to the scene. They would beat your ass with a cueball in a sock in a heartbeat.

I am also obsessed with American Oi! like the Templars, Stormwatch, Boot Party etc etc etc. But thats a whole different story.

School starts today so I am off to get my learn on. I will verbal abuse you all when I get back. Toodles cattle.

"The only good music is the music I listen to"


lol, how many time have I heard that ;p

[LeBrat]
try this

From Autumn to Ashes -- Short Stories with Tragic Endings

Redline -- I could listen to this. Every once in a while.

Jesus, Labret .. you had me all psyched up like I was going to hear a music revolution or something.
This doesn't sound much different than the death metal I listened to 15 years ago; bands like Napalm Death, etc. Nice to hear double-bass drums again though. Don't hear that so much anymore. Everyone seems to have a single bass kit nowadays.

That "Dont try and dissect it. Dont try and understand it. Dont try and compare it to anything you have ever heard" is bullshit. These guys never listened to DRI, Black Flag, or Agnostic Front? Bet they did.

you are correct.

Nice way to burst [LeBrat]'s bubble.

I've heard this shit quite a few times... ('shit' not in a bad sense, I liked it, quite a bit...)

:1orglaugh

Oh christ.


Case in point...

My grandmother cant tell the difference between Iron Maiden and Limp Bizkit.

I am familiar with all forms of death metal and all its derivatives, and there is no way in hell you can compare them to Napalm Death.

You are my grandmother.

You are comparing so cal thrash to so cal punk to NY hardcore. Of course they are influenced by old AF, 90% if bands in hardcore are. Not since they moved to fat wreck however. Now they are sellout warp tour cockholsters.

What a fucking joke. Congrats on proving you know absolutely nothing about hardcore. I am not surprised however, I figured relatively few of you would be able to pick up on the subtleties that differentiate this genre from any other.

I suppose Pantera is hardcore?

I run a label that specializes in hardcore. Its my business to know hardcore. You dont hear me debating you on gloryhole protocol. Dont even debate me on this. You are severely outclassed in this area. All of you.

so you know ONE sub-genre of music... wow... how great...

I suppose its the only good/real music? :1orglaugh

Im still waiting on your answer to my previous posts

Love proving your ignorance eh?

Hardcore is an umbrella term. I figured someone so acquainted with hardcore knew this.

There is youthcrew, sxe, vegan, krishnacore, metalcore, eurocore, emocore, screamo, rapcore, skacore, oicore... any number of hardcore crossbreeds. Some I dont like, and some others dont agree belong under the term "hardcore". Stay ignorant... where it is safe. Put the U2 back in and pretend we never had this conversation.

Blood for Blood

Blood for Blood. Hardcore Gods. Notice how they sound similar to Redline. Hmmm... a pattern insinuating a genre?

No Warning

No Warning, 17 year old sxe kids out of Toronto throwing down some good old school style youth crew hardcore.

I think people are missing Labret's point, which I agree with 100%.

I've done a bit of studio work, and played in some bands, and I know the process that happens to good bands... and there's a reason that if it's popular, then it's corporate soulless garbage...

Say I have a really good, talented band with a sound that is my own, but just happens to be close enough to the music of the day that I manage to catch the attention of some record executives. They come to me, tell me they want to sign me... so I show up to their studio, and they have a producer waiting on me. "Hey, I already have a producer!" Their response: Not anymore. This is your producer. Don't like it? Leave.

So in order to keep my record deal, I have to record with their producer. That's fine - it's not like he's writing the music. But then he starts arranging my music, tweaking the nobs and sliders in the exact way he tweaked them for Janet Jackson just the other day - because it's a formula that has been proven to work. He tells me to play things a certain way. Essentially, the producer is the boss... he's the guy who knows how to make an album sell. That's why he's hired by the label - because he knows how to make a hit album. They do market studies just like any other industry, and they water down every piece of art that comes through their studios, turning it into a clone of the last thing that sold millions of copies. Their job is to protect their investments.... NOT to create innovative music. And that's the problem with pop music.

Some good bands (an eclectic mix): Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Fantomas, The Melvins, John Zorn, Kid 606, Atomsmasher, Merzbow, Don Caballero, Dillinger Escape Plan, Mr. Bungle, Amon Tobin, Lovage, Medeski Martin & Wood, Hrvatski, Skinny Puppy, Ohgr, Tomahawk, Speedranch, Venetian Snares... just to name a few.

I run a label that specializes in hardcore. Its my business to know hardcore. You dont hear me debating you on gloryhole protocol. Dont even debate me on this. You are severely outclassed in this area. All of you.

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Labret,

A 4-track player and 2 garage bands does not constitute a label.

Danny, Jesus. I haven't seen you in 6 years. What the FUCK are you up to nowadays?

Colin => Your sister is a total and complete moron if she can't name any of the Beatles. Not because they're such a great band (frankly, I think they suck), but because anyone who is not blind and deaf has heard of them, even in the past 15 years. She apparently lacks even the most remote sense of historical/cultural knowledge.
And no, being a straight A student does not exclude you from the predicate "idiot" (there are many kinds of idiots, and this is only one of those).

Also, if you think Eminem and Linkin Park are good, you yourself are also an idiot. Not because millions of people listen to them, but because they are fabricated.
There is nothing original about them. Nothing creative. They are like romance novels written for lonely housewives - maybe entertaining, but certainly far from art.
You see, clever marketing does not equal art. Art requires originality, thought and profoundness. A Big Mac is not art, however tasty it might be.

Besides that, anyone that can relate to Eminem's lyrics or those of Linkin Park is a pathetic loser who has been overtaken by postmodernism without even knowing it. (as a sidenote: Linkin Park's lyrics were written with the specific goal of relating to the average unpopular teenager's feelings. Wonder what that says about you....)

Labret => If you really believe that that is a "good" band you most certainly aren't worthy of the respect I had for you. It's as unoriginal as Britney Spears, there are many thousands of other bands around doing exactly the same thing.
And you talked about "only shaved heads and tattoos"... If people really are so socially handicapped that they can't feel good about themselves without fitting on a uniform and a lifestyle to go along with it all I can do is feel sorry for them, because they are obviously either too stupid or too shallow to come up with something for themselves.
It's funny how you seem to judge music purely by it's number of followers instead of it's artistic merit. Does the quality of music somehow diminish if more people buy the cd? That's too stupid for words...

Labret, it's people like you that make me sick. Seriously, it's the same shit different day. Yea, there are sublties (sp?), but I mean if you eat McDonald's at different places around the world, each franchise has a SLIGHTLY different taste, but you seem to think you are special because you noticed.

Listen, just because someone sells a couple of million records doesn't mean they suck. If you can't tell the difference from Eminem to Linkin Park, then my friend you are a sad sack of over pompous shit.

Some bands are crap, some bands are good and made to be crap. For instance, if you've ever heard Britney Spears or Mariah Carey try to sing some one else's classic vocal masterpieces, they are amazing singers, however, instead they made shitty synthed voice pop shit that makes me want to pop my eardrums with a toothpick. so, yea, Britney Spears' albums and music suck, but her voice is great, not that you ever hear it on her albums, because it's processed to fuck and back. But you are the type of assmunch who could like a band that could make 5 albums that are so identical in style that I could switch all the tracks between them and re-release them and it would sound coherant, but after loving the first 3 and attending their 25 person shows, they get a contract, make a video, and because they throw the same damn show and 75,000 people show up, you say that those newest 2 albums are sold out corperate shit. Yes, I think the mainstream are mostly sheeple, but it's supply and demand and what industry wants to supply is what we are more exposed to, but I still like grunge, but they just don't release it much anymore, but that doesn't mean that when it was popular it sucked. If nirvana released nevermind now, it wouldn't make the charts, and you'd love it, but as it stands now, i'm guessing that you think it was packaged anti-sociatal produced corperate shit...

ugh, you hate it because you think it makes you cool. It just makes you a moron who thinks he's cool because he does something that no one else does. But instead you yourself are sheeple, because the minutes MTV made a video for one of your bands, you'd probably go listen to Mariah Carey, and love the movie Glitter, just because no one else does any more.

Labret = 1/Sheeple

You react the same as they do, just inversely, but you are just as influenced by what corperate america sells, you just avoid it rather than buy it. Buy what you like, not what you aren't supposed to like.

TarPy

Labret,

I said it doesn't sound MUCH different. I didn't say it sounded the same. Given 15 years, it's pretty similar.

Rap has evolved a lot more in that time than hardcore.

I agree I dont know "hardcore" as much as you... actually, I know very little about it...

I know very little about rap, metal or pop.

What I know, is what music I like and why. And I can tell you the number of record they sell doesnt factor in my judgement. Wheter its none or 10 millions.

but what you are saying, is anything you dont like is crap. And if you cant see how stupid of a statement that is, than all hope is lost

now, answer me this:

Thats what it comes down to eh?

I am part of a label. Not a studio. I dont do mastering, I dont do pressing, I dont do recording. All of the above is cheap enough to outsourced to others who are good at it.

I pay for all of the above and handle distro. Thats what a label does. Size wise, we handle moderate range production.

True, I am not putting out anything you would see on MTV, but that is not the point like I have been saying all along. Congrats on proving my point.

The scene is to keep people like you out, and those true to the scene... in.

I do know people with a four track and a 500 dollar budget, and they produce good music. Some of the greatest bands I know put out stuff on a four track. Keep showing the ignorance and proving my point.

if you think Eminem and Linkin Park are good, you yourself are also an idiot.

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Punkworld,

So you claim that idiocy or lack of it can be ascertained by one's taste in music? This is interesting. Tell me more.

Holy shit take the punk out of name you fucking cry baby. You are a fucking disgrace if you dont recognize hardcore as anything but original.

I bet the punk you listen to stands for nothing but fat wreck and other major label punk.

Fuck off, you are a fucking disgrace. You are case in point.

Labret,

I was just kidding actually. I honestly wish you all the luck in the world with your label, whatever
your goals. I don't believe it makes you an expert on music but i really do hope you get out of it what you want from it. :-)

Hardcore has come along way since the Cromags, Youth Brigade, Minor Threat, Gorilla Biscuits, Madball etc etc etc in the mid 80s to where it is now. Dont discuss hardcore if you dont know hardcore.

More:

If you think a big mac is haute cuisine, you are an idiot. If you think the bridges of madison county is a literary masterpiece, you are an idiot. If you think linkin park is good....
Fill in the rest yourself.

While they might be entertaining, they are most certainly no more than that.

Correction: if you think big mac is GOOD, [insert]

Congrats on not paying attention idiot.

Any halfwhit fucking mongoloid can spot the obvious style differences, but it all comes from the same place and the same producers.

Dumbass. Pay attention or keep your mouth shut.

I dont believe we were discussing hardcore... just the fact that you are narrow-minded when it comes to music.


also, MTV >DOES< dictate what you listen to. A lot more than me actually. because me, I dont care one way or another, if a band is on MTV or not. I make a judgement myself.

also, what do you think of Vision of Disorder?

Well, most interesting. Resorting to name-calling instead of argumentation. What's the matter, can't handle the fact that people see you are in fact as unoriginal as the average britney-fan?

Oh, and by the way, the punk I listen to is about as underground as what you listen to (mostly same genre as well). Only difference is that I can see things in perspective, and you can't.
All you want is to feel just as "elite" as SleazyDream, but in music...

Sellout metal core. Used to be good. Started sucking corporate cock. Band changed, sound changed. Lost all respect for them.

And how does mtv dictate what I listen to when nothing I listen to even remotely comes close to MTV product. And I bet if I pulled open your cd case I would see 90% corporate ass rock.

I bet you like Creed.

Its not punk to cry.

And who said anything about underground. You are the kinda wannabe punk who likes labeling.

I would never label myself "underground"... that is so gay.

I guess you never heard of emo :1orglaugh

I like Big Macs and I like filet mignons

I like Linkin Park and I like Chopin

I like Stephen King, Hunter Thompson, Hemingway, and Herman Melville.

I like physics, mathematics, philosophy, history, and genetics.

I like New York, Miami, Puerto Rico, and Barcelona.

I like Dali and Monet.

I like programming and porn.

I like big butts and I cannot lie

Last I checked, none of these make one an idiot. if so, check yoself and yer education fool!

Thats why its called emo and not punk.

"Well, most interesting. Resorting to name-calling instead of argumentation. "

Hey punkworld, you call me an Idiot and now are upset that Labret calls you names? Yer a total hypocrite.

Labret, what about the rest of my post... LOL can't a corperation make something good regardless if it's fake?

TarPy

Them are fighting words!

ahahhaahah

no, I cant stand creed... or nickleback or whatever else is called "rock" these days....

give me noisy, overdriven rock'n'roll!

Im a little pissed that rock'n'roll is flavor of the month right now (white strips, the vine, etc...) but hey, the people that were listening to swing music are listening to r'n'r now and will be listening to something else next year...

Im R'N'R4L ;)

[LeBrat], I know you absolutly want to stay alone in your "I listen to original music that you dont understand" club, but Im sorry to say, Im in it too... Ive been to plenty of shows where there were only 25 people...

Best shows ive seen were in small bars... Only went to see one show in an arena (Nine Inch Nails) and the sound sucked and the atmosphere was nowhere as good as in a smoked up 200 people filled bar!

So Rock On [LeBrat], Rock on! \m/

It's not the fact that you like them that makes you an idiot, it's the fact that you apparently can't distinguish the differences (in quality, among other things) between them that makes you an idiot.