legislation and censorship - GoFuckYourself.com

satansbitch · 09-01-2002, 05:40 PM

if you are serving from another country, are you bound by their legislation and censorship or by your own country's?......or do both apply?........i realise you've probably been asked a million times, but any information would be appreciated.....ty

pr0 · 09-01-2002, 06:06 PM

I'm suprised no one has replied to this. Anyone know the laws?

This might be a question for lawpal....

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 06:09 PM

One would assume the laws of where YOU are.

But its weird.

As I am sure the Huns servers are in California, yet he can link the Beast, and I cannot.

Or at least his servers <i>were.</i>

Never understood that myself.

Possibly because he himself is in the Netherlands?

Curious myself, good ?

pr0 · 09-01-2002, 06:14 PM

But as a side note, if you really are from hell...im guessing the only thing you can't link to from your home p.c. is bible related pages?

gothweb · 09-01-2002, 06:15 PM

The law is funny. The thing is, it isn't going to be consistent. Some countries have laws about their citizens, some about hosting, etc. I assume most have laws that cover all sorts of activity.

For the most part, here's a good rule. If what you do is against the law...

...where your servers are: Fucked.
...where you are: Fucked.
...where your viewers are: Fucked.

So, itas pretty simple... The more places it is illegal, the less you want to do it. If it is illegal in the US and/or where you live, don't fucking risk it. Besides, most of the stuff that is thoroughly illegal is just evil. Kiddie porn and beast really that important to anyone here? If so, go ahead and GFY.

gothweb · 09-01-2002, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0
But as a side note, if you really are from hell...im guessing the only thing you can't link to from your home p.c. is bible related pages?

Everyone knows the devil can quote scripture. Duh. ;)

Gemini · 09-01-2002, 06:22 PM

Good question on some of that. We know that US laws extend to us as passport holders no matter where our servers are located, win regards to US laws. There might be SOME countries that don't stick to that pattern.

We'd be interested if say, we had servers in Norway, would their stringent no hardcore law apply to us even tho we are US citizens and its legal for us to post?!

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
Kiddie porn and beast really that important to anyone here? If so, go ahead and GFY.

Not at all.

But it could be a strong part of this thread if people host their beast stuff in the Us, but hide behing International Loopholes in Law.

THAT's what this thread is about, hehehe (i think)

hehe

[Labret] · 09-01-2002, 06:28 PM

Beast isnt illegal. LOTS of it is hosted in the United States. One of the largest beast producers on the planet now shoots almost exclusively in the US. Distributing using US servers, selling on his US based merchant account.

He is just as likely to get nailed for obscenity as the guy down the street working in piss and fist.

Never ask for legal advice on GFY. NEVER EVER EVER.

If you have doubts about your operation, ask a lawyer, not some kid who makes galleries.

Visa didnt kill beast processing here because it was illegal, they killed it because they didnt want to be associated with it. They could turn around and do it to gay next week if the wanted to.

pr0 · 09-01-2002, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Not at all.

But it could be a strong part of this thread if people host their beast stuff in the Us, but hide behing International Loopholes in Law.

THAT's what this thread is about, hehehe (i think)

hehe

I want to host all my hardcore stuff in Saudi Arabia...just to piss them off. Any datacenters in the desert willing to hook me up?

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Beast isnt illegal. LOTS of it is hosted in the United States. One of the largest beast producers on the planet now shoots almost exclusively in the US. Distributing using US servers, selling on his US based merchant account.

Figured as much, but never heard anyone confirm it.

quiet · 09-01-2002, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

If you have doubts about your operation, ask a lawyer, not some kid who makes galleries.

amen

gothweb · 09-01-2002, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemini
We'd be interested if say, we had servers in Norway, would their stringent no hardcore law apply to us even tho we are US citizens and its legal for us to post?!

The easiest call to make is that the laws of where the server is apply. Think about it... Why would they not prosecute you for breaking a law in their country, just because you hold a US passport? I suspecta site owner is liable if they instigated a crime, even if they never went to that country. Usually, paying someone to do somethng illegal is also illegal.

pr0 · 09-01-2002, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
If you have doubts about your operation, ask a lawyer, not some kid who makes galleries.

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 06:34 PM

Lookout Cologroup.

Bout to start pumping out beast Id AVs sites

hahahaha

cherrylula · 09-01-2002, 06:38 PM

And if monkeys ever get citizenship in the US, it will open lots of doors for this industry. hahaha

"A group called the WWMA, which stands for World Wide Monkey Association, has proposed that full U.S. Citizenship should be extended to all primates."

http://www.uncoveror.com/monkey.htm

Gemini · 09-01-2002, 06:41 PM

Sorry Gothweb! I should have worded that better. I was thinking over the previous posts while trying to type. lol We agree that we should follow the laws of the land where a server is located by all means.

But it seems some of these guys think that all you have to do is pop to another country - (server there) and the US cannot touch a US citizen (passport holder) for breaking a US law. Which is pure bunk.

[Labret] · 09-01-2002, 06:46 PM

It may not be fullproof, but it sure as hell makes it easier for them not to get their hands on your server.

Who is more likely to get nailed.

Joe who runs his fist and beast site out of Texas, using iBill, getting wires directly into his bank account.

Steve who run his servers in Denmark, using an offshore processor thru an offshore corporation who has his money deposited into an offshore bank account. All of which takes about 2 weeks to set up.

Hmmmm I wonder.

satansbitch · 09-01-2002, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

The easiest call to make is that the laws of where the server is apply. Think about it... Why would they not prosecute you for breaking a law in their country, just because you hold a US passport? I suspecta site owner is liable if they instigated a crime, even if they never went to that country. Usually, paying someone to do somethng illegal is also illegal.

if it of the laws where the server is there is no problem....that seems to be the question though.

satansbitch · 09-01-2002, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Beast isnt illegal. LOTS of it is hosted in the United States. One of the largest beast producers on the planet now shoots almost exclusively in the US. Distributing using US servers, selling on his US based merchant account.

He is just as likely to get nailed for obscenity as the guy down the street working in piss and fist.

Never ask for legal advice on GFY. NEVER EVER EVER.

If you have doubts about your operation, ask a lawyer, not some kid who makes galleries.

Visa didnt kill beast processing here because it was illegal, they killed it because they didnt want to be associated with it. They could turn around and do it to gay next week if the wanted to.

....ok if beast was illegal here.....but not there...and i was serving from there......would i be committing an offense?.....(of course i would consult a lawyer, it seems there are opposing points of view)

SykkBoy · 09-01-2002, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Figured as much, but never heard anyone confirm it.

too many people here will give you advice based upon what their personal feelings are instead of legality....they'll justify their answer with "well, it's sick" well sick doesn't always equal illegal...

did you know that you can still buy books on bestiality with your VISA card at amazon.com? ;)))

hell, I can buy the book "Lolita" AND even the David Hamilton books with my VISA card at amazon.com

[Labret] · 09-01-2002, 07:07 PM

You can still join beast sites with your Visa if the processor is not in the United States.

They just dont want Americans looking at it. Those filthy dog fuckers.

Jayson · 09-01-2002, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by satansbitch
if you are serving from another country, are you bound by their legislation and censorship or by your own country's?......or do both apply?........i realise you've probably been asked a million times, but any information would be appreciated.....ty

Cross border laws are really wierd so its always best to check with a lawyer in both countries.

In Australia you cant host X rated material, and you can only distribute it in two states but you also need to be licensed.

So for us producing material, there is nothing stopping me producing whatever I want ( except beast, CP etc as there are laws here to stop that) and prostitution is even legal here so they cant get you for producing hardcore material by saying its prostitution.

But once I have produced it I cant send it to anyone except myself, so if I upload it to a server that is in my control in the US, thats fine, but if I was to upload directly to a clients server, thats not fine.

Strangley enough, in Australia the law that gets me if I give or sell X rated material to someone (within Australia or out of it) would also get me if I was selling G rated material that I hadnt paid our lovely goverment to officially classify.

Laws are just so fucked up. Its best to get a lawyer to put in writing official opinions. Wont help you if they are wrong but goes to show some good faith. We even go to the extent of getting our lawyers to reconfirm all previous legal opinions given to us every year just to be sure.

Jayson

satansbitch · 09-01-2002, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jayson

Cross border laws are really wierd so its always best to check with a lawyer in both countries.

In Australia you cant host X rated material, and you can only distribute it in two states but you also need to be licensed.

Strangley enough, in Australia the law that gets me if I give or sell X rated material to someone (within Australia or out of it) would also get me if I was selling G rated material that I hadnt paid our lovely goverment to officially classify.

Jayson

very similar here......extremely touchy...thanks for your input jayson

09-01-2002, 05:40 PM	#1
satansbitch Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: 6/66 lucifer lane, Hell central Posts: 76	legislation and censorship if you are serving from another country, are you bound by their legislation and censorship or by your own country's?......or do both apply?........i realise you've probably been asked a million times, but any information would be appreciated.....ty

09-01-2002, 06:06 PM	#2
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	I'm suprised no one has replied to this. Anyone know the laws? This might be a question for lawpal.... __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

09-01-2002, 06:09 PM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	One would assume the laws of where YOU are. But its weird. As I am sure the Huns servers are in California, yet he can link the Beast, and I cannot. Or at least his servers <i>were.</i> Never understood that myself. Possibly because he himself is in the Netherlands? Curious myself, good ? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-01-2002, 06:15 PM	#5
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	The law is funny. The thing is, it isn't going to be consistent. Some countries have laws about their citizens, some about hosting, etc. I assume most have laws that cover all sorts of activity. For the most part, here's a good rule. If what you do is against the law... ...where your servers are: Fucked. ...where you are: Fucked. ...where your viewers are: Fucked. So, itas pretty simple... The more places it is illegal, the less you want to do it. If it is illegal in the US and/or where you live, don't fucking risk it. Besides, most of the stuff that is thoroughly illegal is just evil. Kiddie porn and beast really that important to anyone here? If so, go ahead and GFY. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

09-01-2002, 06:22 PM	#7
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Good question on some of that. We know that US laws extend to us as passport holders no matter where our servers are located, win regards to US laws. There might be SOME countries that don't stick to that pattern. We'd be interested if say, we had servers in Norway, would their stringent no hardcore law apply to us even tho we are US citizens and its legal for us to post?! __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

09-01-2002, 06:14 PM	#4
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	But as a side note, if you really are from hell...im guessing the only thing you can't link to from your home p.c. is bible related pages?

09-01-2002, 06:28 PM	#9
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Beast isnt illegal. LOTS of it is hosted in the United States. One of the largest beast producers on the planet now shoots almost exclusively in the US. Distributing using US servers, selling on his US based merchant account. He is just as likely to get nailed for obscenity as the guy down the street working in piss and fist. Never ask for legal advice on GFY. NEVER EVER EVER. If you have doubts about your operation, ask a lawyer, not some kid who makes galleries. Visa didnt kill beast processing here because it was illegal, they killed it because they didnt want to be associated with it. They could turn around and do it to gay next week if the wanted to. Last edited by [Labret]; 09-01-2002 at 06:30 PM..

09-01-2002, 06:34 PM	#15
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Lookout Cologroup. Bout to start pumping out beast Id AVs sites hahahaha __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-01-2002, 06:38 PM	#16
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	And if monkeys ever get citizenship in the US, it will open lots of doors for this industry. hahaha "A group called the WWMA, which stands for World Wide Monkey Association, has proposed that full U.S. Citizenship should be extended to all primates." http://www.uncoveror.com/monkey.htm

09-01-2002, 06:41 PM	#17
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Sorry Gothweb! I should have worded that better. I was thinking over the previous posts while trying to type. lol We agree that we should follow the laws of the land where a server is located by all means. But it seems some of these guys think that all you have to do is pop to another country - (server there) and the US cannot touch a US citizen (passport holder) for breaking a US law. Which is pure bunk. __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

09-01-2002, 06:46 PM	#18
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	It may not be fullproof, but it sure as hell makes it easier for them not to get their hands on your server. Who is more likely to get nailed. Joe who runs his fist and beast site out of Texas, using iBill, getting wires directly into his bank account. Steve who run his servers in Denmark, using an offshore processor thru an offshore corporation who has his money deposited into an offshore bank account. All of which takes about 2 weeks to set up. Hmmmm I wonder.

09-01-2002, 07:07 PM	#22
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	You can still join beast sites with your Visa if the processor is not in the United States. They just dont want Americans looking at it. Those filthy dog fuckers.