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Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 10:38 AM

So who thinks some of the folks on Page 1 of Sextracker only stay there because of hitbots etc?

I notice some fall far then come right back up usually larger numbers when lets say a *new tgp* starts creeping up.

I have heard this is hard to do, but I am certain many can,do, and will.

Any thoughts?

Gary · 09-01-2002, 10:40 AM

forgive my ignorance on hitbots, but do hitbots load the setracker image? I was under the impression that hitbots arent counted by those counters because the image isnt loaded.

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 10:42 AM

No clue Gary - thats why I made the thread homie.

I am the ignorant one, just trying see what others think.

I have heard it isnt done.... but c'mon.

?

pr0 · 09-01-2002, 10:42 AM

If the hitbot could interface with javascript ...I.E. clone a web-browser for each thread...then yes any type of counter could be fooled easily.

Not that i would know anything about that type of shit

I will say that i kill 2-3 trades per day on my tgp for suspicious activity...so i think that alot of guys are just using foreign traffic & hitbot traffic to fuel their trades. Which is great if just one site does it...but when everyone does it...then b/w gets burned & no one makes any money.

I'd like to hunt down the hitbotters & fuck em in the face

cherrylula · 09-01-2002, 11:19 AM

#1 on google search for hitbot:

"Smart HitBot is an efficient program that can imitate the real surfers to read and click pages/banners online. Not only can it read and hit specified links, but also some dynamic links, even the links buried in pages. You can preset the time interval, the ratio of hits to impressions and the number of pages viewed per visit. Further more, Smart HitBot can change proxy and reference automatically, all these make it can perform more like the real surfers. "

http://www.hitbot.f2s.com/

hahaha and its shareware, brilliant

Juge · 09-01-2002, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
forgive my ignorance on hitbots, but do hitbots load the setracker image? I was under the impression that hitbots arent counted by those counters because the image isnt loaded.

I don't see any reason why the hit bot couldn't load the image.

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Juge

I don't see any reason why the hit bot couldn't load the image.

I know NOTHING of hitbots or even how they work really.

But from what I see, I have no doubt in my mind, if these TGP guys make half of what they claim, shit, getting something writt ten in house wouldnt cost <i>THAT</i> much.

Number of hits dont mean diddly to me as I dont trade traffic.

But I am curious to what others think, as I can imagine traffic trades using Hitbots, would fuck up the whole chain of sites and their quality of traffic.

Chris R · 09-01-2002, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
#1 on google search for hitbot:

"Smart HitBot is an efficient program that can imitate the real surfers to read and click pages/banners online. Not only can it read and hit specified links, but also some dynamic links, even the links buried in pages. You can preset the time interval, the ratio of hits to impressions and the number of pages viewed per visit. Further more, Smart HitBot can change proxy and reference automatically, all these make it can perform more like the real surfers. "

http://www.hitbot.f2s.com/

hahaha and its shareware, brilliant

Yes - I am sure that all those that use hiotbots will be honest enough to pay if they use it.

kmanrox · 09-01-2002, 12:47 PM

hitbox usually work off of proxies which usually load the whole page, and I would assume they use a lot of bandwidth...

Vagisil · 09-01-2002, 12:47 PM

ask pichunter and sexocean

Luke · 09-01-2002, 01:40 PM

You never know there are pretty 'smart' people out there, that put there skills to the wrong uses.

Highly advanced Hitbots could be out there! And for some sites, you can assume whoever you wish, it can be more obvious than others,... cough cough sexocean cough cough

Rictor · 09-01-2002, 02:17 PM

I'd be more interested in a full-proof program that detects hitbots, then some one could start up a site naming which TGPs use them so no one would trade with them.

Luke · 09-01-2002, 02:20 PM

of course, that probably doesn't even need to be said. hey those same 'smart' guys could develop that program!

TarPy · 09-01-2002, 02:48 PM

the reason you can't beat hitbots is because they can be faked a ton of ways, and there is such limited information exchange between the two machines that detecting a fake hit is almost impossible.

Fool Proof = Not possible

Steve · 09-01-2002, 04:19 PM

Fletch, I have had some scumbags send me hitbot traffic over the past few years. Trust me, each time I had this happen, my traffic went to fuck real fast. So the only person who benifits from a hitbot is the hitbot using douchebag.

And one more comment on this: I have either active trades, or have traded in the past with a large number of top 100 sites (as well as poking into the top100 off and on myself). I have not seen any reason to believe that those guys I have dealt with are playing dirty pool. I use many tricks to protect my sites/traffic, and I have not seen these guys hitting hidden links, or sending a high % of proxy traffic. Obviously I cannot comment on 1-100, but I have dealt with a good 40-50 of the top100 sites.

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 04:24 PM

I dont want anyone to think I was claiming all the top 100 are cheaters.

No Way.

I just have to imagine some have to get there by some way other than being totally honest.

I think thats a safe assumption....

maybe not.

who knows.

Everyone keeps talking about this Sexocean, if thats the case, and they cheat, then the proof is already there.
Just curious mostly.

Plat · 09-01-2002, 04:30 PM

i doubt that any of the sites on the top100 of sextracker would waste their time hitbotting a sextracker counter

Dice TGP · 09-01-2002, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plat
i doubt that any of the sites on the top100 of sextracker would waste their time hitbotting a sextracker counter

Why not? Don't you think being on the ST top ten helps sell gallery spots/banner space?

Plat · 09-01-2002, 04:41 PM

did i say top10?

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dice TGP

Why not? Don't you think being on the ST top ten helps sell gallery spots/banner space?

Hell ive seen people say dont bother submitting galleries to anything not on page 1

hahahaha

TDF · 09-01-2002, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dice TGP

Why not? Don't you think being on the ST top ten helps sell gallery spots/banner space?

its the only thing that sells banner space

SR · 09-01-2002, 05:19 PM

Hitbots can be detected with an up to date proxylist and a good script.

Krome · 09-01-2002, 05:24 PM

I do not understand this traffic trading crap at all. I know people make money from it but all this stuff like "forced traffic" "skimmed" etc does my head in. I just go for SE traffic so I get a shit all bandwidth bill and then send it through to a targetted sponsor.

Bad convertion ratios for me mean that it is 1 in 100, I am usually at 1 in 40 to 1 in 60.

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2002, 06:55 PM

Heres another hitbot thread.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=74882

Just linking them together for future readers.

Lane · 09-01-2002, 07:39 PM

detecting hitbots is very possible.. i cant imagine a hitbot beating all the detection methods i have in my head.. (will be working on a script soon)

buzzard · 09-01-2002, 07:40 PM

Fletch XXX SOME guys used to fill a large table at the bottom of their pages with counter code and call the counter image at 1 pixel..
probably was good for 50 hits a page load or so I WOULD THINK or they might run their pages in an invisible frame full of that same counter code. I heard there was a fine line between maximum counter hits and slowing down the page, must have been huge.

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XXXManager · 09-02-2002, 09:46 AM

These are two totally different things:
1. Hitbotting a counter (SexTracker etc..)
2. and using Hitbot to cheat your traders

the first - is detectable on the counter side. Seeing too many repetitions from the same IP or too many IP-spoofed requests. If an obvious 10-20% (even more) of traffic is spoofed the countee is a cheater. If more than 25% of the traffic is from proxies - the countee is a cheater. So think about it - if the counter does care about that and take measures agains... even if someone from thr top-10 spoofs 9% of his traffic and use proxies on additional 19% (and even then there are ways to detect cheats), its still 72% legitimate traffic. For the top 10 - its alot of traffic - so regardless of that - they are still huge. Also - being in the top-10, maybe you wont risk cheating (cause you may loose your place in the counter if they find you - and all of the sudden you are #12312313 instead of #1-10

)

the second - hitbotting a trader should be detected by the trading script. There are many ways to try to detect ceats, and new ways are developed as new ways to cheat are. Even the most sophisticated bot has limitations. Solving all hitbot limitation will render bots traffic a good traffic - because it will also mean that bots have credit-cards and they sometimes buy stuff

madthumbs · 09-02-2002, 10:15 AM

I'll pay you guys like $10,000 to write a hitbot that will transport sexocean and the look alike sites into another dimension or some shit ... all of those fucked up CJ wannabe traffic hog piece of shit TGP's give the real thumb preview tgps a bad name ... and not only that .... they are indirectly fucking up our traffic ... sites I trade with trade with him, trade with him, trade with him, and so forth ... the traffic is pure shit ... it has like .70% productivity, which is prolly fake to begin with ... but none the less ... since sexocean and the attack of the clones happened my prod dropped from like 350-400% to 200-250% which is pure shit compared to before he came around .......... it really blows ass ...

so like no shit .. write a hit bot that punches people instead of fakes hits, or call some of the fucks from Star Wars ... cause the clones are seriously about to fuck up the thumb preview genre :-/

heh

kmanrox · 09-02-2002, 10:21 AM

oh look, madthumbs is alive

SleazyDream · 09-02-2002, 10:27 AM

funny, hitbotters seem to avoid conventions like crazy. The best test I know is if someone if AFRAID to show their face and pretending to have a lot of traffic then usually they are a hitbot or some other kind of cheater or skumbag.

now, those of us that are real KNOW who doesn't come to the conventions, and low and behold, those that don't show up really look like the same people being accused of hitbotting 95% of the time......

madthumbs · 09-02-2002, 10:33 AM

Sleazy :-(

I didn't come to Florida cause you told your brother that your boat was too full for a lowly nerd like myself :~(

I was traumatized for like 3 hours and even shed a few tears ... I'm not sure if the drunken stupor I'm stuck in is a result of my rejection, or my recent lack of ass :-/

wh0rd

Fletch XXX · 09-02-2002, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
funny, hitbotters seem to avoid conventions like crazy. The best test I know is if someone if AFRAID to show their face and pretending to have a lot of traffic then usually they are a hitbot or some other kind of cheater or skumbag.

now, those of us that are real KNOW who doesn't come to the conventions, and low and behold, those that don't show up really look like the same people being accused of hitbotting 95% of the time......

Thats probably a very safe assumption.

Rictor · 09-02-2002, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madthumbs
and not only that .... they are indirectly fucking up our traffic ... sites I trade with trade with him, trade with him, trade with him, and so forth ... the traffic is pure shit ... it has like .70% productivity, which is prolly fake to begin

Yah, I was taking a look at your site today and I'd say a huge chunk of your traffic comes indirectly from those sites since they are the main trades of so many sites you trade with.

Dawgy · 09-02-2002, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madthumbs
I'll pay you guys like $10,000 to write a hitbot that will transport sexocean and the look alike sites into another dimension or some shit ... all of those fucked up CJ wannabe traffic hog piece of shit TGP's give the real thumb preview tgps a bad name ... and not only that .... they are indirectly fucking up our traffic ... sites I trade with trade with him, trade with him, trade with him, and so forth ... the traffic is pure shit ... it has like .70% productivity, which is prolly fake to begin with ... but none the less ... since sexocean and the attack of the clones happened my prod dropped from like 350-400% to 200-250% which is pure shit compared to before he came around .......... it really blows ass ...

so like no shit .. write a hit bot that punches people instead of fakes hits, or call some of the fucks from Star Wars ... cause the clones are seriously about to fuck up the thumb preview genre :-/

heh

yeah. what he said.

eru · 09-03-2002, 12:30 AM

What's a proxy server?

XXXManager · 09-03-2002, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eru
What's a proxy server?

Hope it helps..

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=75081

09-01-2002, 10:40 AM	#2
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	forgive my ignorance on hitbots, but do hitbots load the setracker image? I was under the impression that hitbots arent counted by those counters because the image isnt loaded. __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

09-01-2002, 10:42 AM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	No clue Gary - thats why I made the thread homie. I am the ignorant one, just trying see what others think. I have heard it isnt done.... but c'mon. ? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-01-2002, 10:42 AM	#4
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	If the hitbot could interface with javascript ...I.E. clone a web-browser for each thread...then yes any type of counter could be fooled easily. Not that i would know anything about that type of shit I will say that i kill 2-3 trades per day on my tgp for suspicious activity...so i think that alot of guys are just using foreign traffic & hitbot traffic to fuel their trades. Which is great if just one site does it...but when everyone does it...then b/w gets burned & no one makes any money. I'd like to hunt down the hitbotters & fuck em in the face __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz) Last edited by pr0; 09-01-2002 at 10:49 AM..

09-01-2002, 11:19 AM	#5
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	#1 on google search for hitbot: "Smart HitBot is an efficient program that can imitate the real surfers to read and click pages/banners online. Not only can it read and hit specified links, but also some dynamic links, even the links buried in pages. You can preset the time interval, the ratio of hits to impressions and the number of pages viewed per visit. Further more, Smart HitBot can change proxy and reference automatically, all these make it can perform more like the real surfers. " http://www.hitbot.f2s.com/ hahaha and its shareware, brilliant Last edited by cherrylula; 09-01-2002 at 11:20 AM..

09-01-2002, 12:47 PM	#9
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09-01-2002, 10:38 AM	#1
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	TGPs and Hitbots to stay Ranked High So who thinks some of the folks on Page 1 of Sextracker only stay there because of hitbots etc? I notice some fall far then come right back up usually larger numbers when lets say a new tgp starts creeping up. I have heard this is hard to do, but I am certain many can,do, and will. Any thoughts? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-01-2002, 12:47 PM	#10
Vagisil Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: stank poona Posts: 399	ask pichunter and sexocean __________________ I fix your discharge.....

09-01-2002, 01:40 PM	#11
Luke Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 91	You never know there are pretty 'smart' people out there, that put there skills to the wrong uses. Highly advanced Hitbots could be out there! And for some sites, you can assume whoever you wish, it can be more obvious than others,... cough cough sexocean cough cough __________________ VE Inc. TF TS

09-01-2002, 02:17 PM	#12
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	I'd be more interested in a full-proof program that detects hitbots, then some one could start up a site naming which TGPs use them so no one would trade with them.

09-01-2002, 02:20 PM	#13
Luke Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 91	of course, that probably doesn't even need to be said. hey those same 'smart' guys could develop that program! __________________ VE Inc. TF TS

09-01-2002, 02:48 PM	#14
TarPy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 758	the reason you can't beat hitbots is because they can be faked a ton of ways, and there is such limited information exchange between the two machines that detecting a fake hit is almost impossible. Fool Proof = Not possible __________________ Not Working

09-01-2002, 04:19 PM	#15
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Fletch, I have had some scumbags send me hitbot traffic over the past few years. Trust me, each time I had this happen, my traffic went to fuck real fast. So the only person who benifits from a hitbot is the hitbot using douchebag. And one more comment on this: I have either active trades, or have traded in the past with a large number of top 100 sites (as well as poking into the top100 off and on myself). I have not seen any reason to believe that those guys I have dealt with are playing dirty pool. I use many tricks to protect my sites/traffic, and I have not seen these guys hitting hidden links, or sending a high % of proxy traffic. Obviously I cannot comment on 1-100, but I have dealt with a good 40-50 of the top100 sites.

09-01-2002, 04:24 PM	#16
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I dont want anyone to think I was claiming all the top 100 are cheaters. No Way. I just have to imagine some have to get there by some way other than being totally honest. I think thats a safe assumption.... maybe not. who knows. Everyone keeps talking about this Sexocean, if thats the case, and they cheat, then the proof is already there. Just curious mostly. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-01-2002, 04:30 PM	#17
Plat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 2,680	i doubt that any of the sites on the top100 of sextracker would waste their time hitbotting a sextracker counter __________________ Im fuckin retired

09-01-2002, 04:41 PM	#19
Plat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 2,680	did i say top10? __________________ Im fuckin retired

09-01-2002, 05:19 PM	#22
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	Hitbots can be detected with an up to date proxylist and a good script.

09-01-2002, 05:24 PM	#23
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	I do not understand this traffic trading crap at all. I know people make money from it but all this stuff like "forced traffic" "skimmed" etc does my head in. I just go for SE traffic so I get a shit all bandwidth bill and then send it through to a targetted sponsor. Bad convertion ratios for me mean that it is 1 in 100, I am usually at 1 in 40 to 1 in 60.

09-01-2002, 06:55 PM	#24
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Heres another hitbot thread. http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=74882 Just linking them together for future readers. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-01-2002, 07:39 PM	#25
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	detecting hitbots is very possible.. i cant imagine a hitbot beating all the detection methods i have in my head.. (will be working on a script soon) __________________

09-01-2002, 07:40 PM	#26
buzzard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,276	Fletch XXX SOME guys used to fill a large table at the bottom of their pages with counter code and call the counter image at 1 pixel.. probably was good for 50 hits a page load or so I WOULD THINK or they might run their pages in an invisible frame full of that same counter code. I heard there was a fine line between maximum counter hits and slowing down the page, must have been huge. Henry Morganstein How do you stop a dog from humping your leg? Pick him up and suck his dick! __________________

09-02-2002, 09:46 AM	#27
XXXManager So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy Posts: 893	These are two totally different things: 1. Hitbotting a counter (SexTracker etc..) 2. and using Hitbot to cheat your traders the first - is detectable on the counter side. Seeing too many repetitions from the same IP or too many IP-spoofed requests. If an obvious 10-20% (even more) of traffic is spoofed the countee is a cheater. If more than 25% of the traffic is from proxies - the countee is a cheater. So think about it - if the counter does care about that and take measures agains... even if someone from thr top-10 spoofs 9% of his traffic and use proxies on additional 19% (and even then there are ways to detect cheats), its still 72% legitimate traffic. For the top 10 - its alot of traffic - so regardless of that - they are still huge. Also - being in the top-10, maybe you wont risk cheating (cause you may loose your place in the counter if they find you - and all of the sudden you are #12312313 instead of #1-10 ) the second - hitbotting a trader should be detected by the trading script. There are many ways to try to detect ceats, and new ways are developed as new ways to cheat are. Even the most sophisticated bot has limitations. Solving all hitbot limitation will render bots traffic a good traffic - because it will also mean that bots have credit-cards and they sometimes buy stuff

09-02-2002, 10:15 AM	#28
madthumbs Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 339	I'll pay you guys like $10,000 to write a hitbot that will transport sexocean and the look alike sites into another dimension or some shit ... all of those fucked up CJ wannabe traffic hog piece of shit TGP's give the real thumb preview tgps a bad name ... and not only that .... they are indirectly fucking up our traffic ... sites I trade with trade with him, trade with him, trade with him, and so forth ... the traffic is pure shit ... it has like .70% productivity, which is prolly fake to begin with ... but none the less ... since sexocean and the attack of the clones happened my prod dropped from like 350-400% to 200-250% which is pure shit compared to before he came around .......... it really blows ass ... so like no shit .. write a hit bot that punches people instead of fakes hits, or call some of the fucks from Star Wars ... cause the clones are seriously about to fuck up the thumb preview genre :-/ heh

09-02-2002, 10:21 AM	#29
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09-02-2002, 10:27 AM	#30
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	funny, hitbotters seem to avoid conventions like crazy. The best test I know is if someone if AFRAID to show their face and pretending to have a lot of traffic then usually they are a hitbot or some other kind of cheater or skumbag. now, those of us that are real KNOW who doesn't come to the conventions, and low and behold, those that don't show up really look like the same people being accused of hitbotting 95% of the time...... __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-02-2002, 10:33 AM	#31
madthumbs Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 339	Sleazy :-( I didn't come to Florida cause you told your brother that your boat was too full for a lowly nerd like myself :~( I was traumatized for like 3 hours and even shed a few tears ... I'm not sure if the drunken stupor I'm stuck in is a result of my rejection, or my recent lack of ass :-/ wh0rd

09-03-2002, 12:30 AM	#35
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