it's GENETICS

GENETICS: The study of inheritance patterns of specific traits.

What is funny is your use of misinformation and propaganda

Canada, statistically, helps more people for less money than the US.

Is it better to waste money? wait, nevermind

Like I said before. The question should not really be focused on what is a better system. Both privatized and public systems could be run at the same capacity, it all depends on how they are administered.

I read yesterday that Massachusetts is pushing for universal health care even within the privatized model.
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I think the thing that many don't understand is that the message is not who is the best, but rather that things need to change. Just because you can afford to be sick in the US does not meant that everyone can, and that is where the problem lays.

Oh, and while we are on the subject of financing, take a look at how fast the US is accumulating an insurmountable debt...money that could be used to help improve the health care system or dare I say help the Katrina victims instead of sending your young to die for nothing.
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Yet you fail to provide us with a convincing argument as to what makes an HMO better than a socialized system. Instead you talk about teeth in the UK, which really doesn't bear much weight in this particular debate.

HMOs are better for the companies paying for the care, but not always better for the AVERAGE patient or the doctors involved. Those doctors are often forced to accept way to many patients and to basically care about none of them, because 5 extra minutes to care isn't paid.

HMOs are a great theory that in reality don't work as well as they should. Socialized medicine isn't much better. But any "for profit" or "for lowest cost" system will squeeze the quality right out of the deal.

Why do you keep bringing up dental shit? Did you know 45% of people in this country have no dental insurance and millions are forced to go to Mexico for dental work?

Something is majorly fucked up when people from one of the richest countries in the world have to go to one of the poorest countries just for basic care.

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_r...fm?DR_ID=45643

ok.. im back from my bike ride.

LOL, spoken like a true ignoramus :thumbsup

......oh and by the way when was the last time you saw a British webmaster begging for money on boards to pay medical bills ?

saw it on downloaded versions ( quality so-so)

going to see it in the theatres.....

http://www.pdghosting.com/gfy/sicko.jpg

You are right.

Disturbing huh?

Did your source of information come from the CIA??

Who said US doctors are not terrorists?? I'll bet ya! *lol*

Obviously your logic is fried at the moment - there is no connection between terrorists and socialism. Only you could find that :1orglaugh

Dentistry is not free in the UK and the thing of Brits having bad teeth is a myth.
At least I've never heard of anyone dying from a tooth ache in the UK unlike the US.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022702116.html

If you have the money you'll probably get better care in the US than anywhere else in the world, I don't think anyone is arguing about that. It's the poor people that have to suffer, even middle class people that get financially ruined because of astronomical health bills.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

Public health care is a huge burden on any country, but even if the US doesn't provide their citizens with this basic human right they still spend a huge portion of the GDP on it...
A country that is supposed to be the biggest superpower in the world should be able to take care of the people without any problems.

In Spain every employer has to pay social security for their employees, about 300$ a month, this goes into health care and if you become unemployed you get 3 month full pay for each year you've been working.

Spain is currently one of the most dynamic economies in the world, recently got into 8th place over all (and should therefor be in the G8 :upsidedow), so social medicine definitely hasn't hurt.

Um... There is the option of private healthcare still in these "SOCIALIST" societies you talk of. The keyword being "option".

I'm sorry boneprone, but it appears that you can't "run laps" around us as you have previously stated, proving once again something that I leaned while in university...education is nothing unless you learn how to use it.

I believe it was Socrates that said "I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think."

That comment made by someone with Chinese Ancestors is quite hilarious :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh No Offense bone....

You almost act as if you weren't a sheep herder yourself. :1orglaugh

what about a voucher system?
like X amount of free visits a month

X amount of surgerys per year

X amount of emergency visits per year

that is comp'd by the goverment

False. It's called the drug companies mark shit up to make the most money off those who can afford to pay it.

And one of the problems with that is the money spent on health care is used to line pockets, not provide quality care.

Like sports, health care needs a salary cap. :thumbsup

I have to comment on the "free Canadian healthcare"... How exactly is it free? My monthly MSP payments were higher than I pay now for good international health insurance...

There is no doubt that quality of health care in the U.S. is top notch, but there are some serious problems, even for middle class people with good jobs who have health insurance. The main problem being that many people get denied coverage for their legitimate illnesses by their supposedly solid health insurance company and wind up going bankrupt or dying. And all because in our system, the insurance company just denies policy claims, citing pre-existing conditions or some other technical excuse as a matter of course, just to play games with people and save money. They system is such that the health insurance companies rely on the fact that many people will give up pressing their wrongly denied claims or die off before they have to pay. When that happens- and it's an everyday thing nowadays- it's tantamount to murder in my opinion.

100 top notch health care !

http://photos.imageevent.com/nathan_.../top-notch.JPG

Thanks so much for the name calling, it shows me what kind of
person you are and how not to take anything you say or do
seriously!
BTW Happy 4th of July!

Also, this is Kiwigirl

Boneprone you turn me on baby! :wetkiss

You nailed it on the first page! :thumbsup

Appart from your sexual affiliations to "boneprone" what was it exactly that "nailed it" for you on the first page of this thread Loryn-Adult ?

Uk is rated 18, US is rated 37. Looks like better quality care.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Boneprone - Could Darwin's survival of the fittest perhaps work as a whole society and on an individual basis?

Anyway, a person who is healthy will be more productive, his/her family will be more productive, they will not be a drain on society, friends or family, or their employer.

Stress also is a major cause for sickness. When a person is stressed the body can't heal itself as well. The sole fact that people have to worry that they have enough money in case something happens to them, or that if they have no money and something happens is enough to make a person not be able to heal themselves when they may have been able to under different circumstance.

Yeup - there's alot of evidence around now to strongly support the theory that "stress" can be a "trigger" to other life threatening maladies.

Maybe my granny had it right after all :winkwink:

It seems quite the clash is going on here.
Regardless I suppose you know that this Darwin you flutter in front of all hoping that none know anything about lies in Westminster Abbey now as he died of an illness he and the medics of the time battled to no avail all his life?

*sigh* If only healthcare was better. And it gets better with practice...if solely the wealthy can afford it, well, there are just not enough of them, are there?
"just the strong survive?" well he didn't and deprived the world of some great works and scientific theories.

Being the Darth Master of Health that you claim to be I assumed you would pick a better example.

Hot stuff!

Thank you Doctor!

Simple economics show that the best answer to 99% of problems is a capitalistic for profit system. The ONLY time public funding works is if it is a resource everyone uses and it is too difficult to force payment from the users.

TRUE......

1. Not everyone in the US can buy health insurance even if they have the money if they have pre-existing conditions.
2. Not everyone with health insurance gets what they pay for, did you ever read the fine print in an HMO contract?
3. You the tax payer do pay BIG $$$ for uninsured who go to emergency rooms because it the only place they cannot be denied treatment. That is the most expensive treatment you can buy.
4. Socialized may not be the best system but the current system is not good and the programs in Canada or the UK are better than what MOST Americans can afford.

I am glad the upper crust can afford better, don't worry if you earn big bucks but the masses do not.

Should be looking at Sweden, Denmark and Norway if you want study socialism.

I'm all in for a private system competing agaisn't a public one.

We need workers from all social classes for the economy to run well. The poors are feeding you in some way.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh I'm the Juggernaut biatch!

http://forums.weboverdrive.com/images/stuff/jugger.jpg

watch the vid: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zgAPFKDL6Sg :1orglaugh

On a more serious note, for those who have not seen the movie. It isnt about the kind of coverage the rich people get versus what poor people get...

The movie is more about people who THINK they're covered since they have a job with health insurance. These are the people who'll leave with the most amount of concern after watching the movie.

Socialized medical systems don't pay doctors enough money so they have to bring in arab workers who end up trying to explode cars at airports.

The Doctor they interviewed in Sicko was Arab.

The fuckers trying to blow shit up in the UK are Arab Doctors.

Fact....

Any truth to the rumor they tried to recruit you Anal Hobbit?