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he's a smart guy and always posted his libertarian views - might even find some of them on GFY - but he lives in American and broke its laws. case closed. the punishment seems excessive i agree.
i know a lot of people should be thanking their lucky stars it was him and not them because they spammed as much as Diamond Jim. Jim just happened to be the one who got caught and is going to be made an example of.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Maybe so, but even "good friends" and "great guys" take part in illegal activities sometimes.
He put his neck on the line to make more money. The reward was worth the risk to him. So he isn't an innocent victim we should all feel sorry for. This is a calculated risk by anyone who does it.
MOST of us work within the law and make honest income online. This man did not. You can't spin this any other way.Comment
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Pay your taxes. He could be doing 5 years instaid of 20 years.
Thats what they always bust these spammers with. They think "going offshore" will protect them. Time after time again I see people get busted for money laundering. I bet they could have got off with a fuckin fine if they would have kept clean books.Comment
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Maybe some of you guys haven't noticed what one of the charges was that they were found guilty on.
I'd really like to know what the legal interpretation of 'transportation of obscene goods' really is because that could have implications for all of us.Left intentionally blank ... just like my brainComment
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The Other Steve: Some of the sites being promoted included "Fisting Action". I think that one or more images sent with the emails to promote that site might have done it.
Shok: I was totally surprised when I first saw this a couple of years back a realized who it was. He wasn't exactly who I expected to see behind a spamming operation.
As for the sentence, so far I have found no information as to how many years (if any) was the punishment. The high end is about 50 years, but certainly doubtful, but the money laundering deal is a 20 year that normally wouldn't get watered down much under 7 or 8 unless they are really lucky. We shall see. Anyone have any news?Comment
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I'll agree with you and the "transportation of obscene material" was the first thing that threw up a major big red flag. That is a pretty scary judgment that was just put on the books, when you stop and thing about it.
Now the name Diamond Jim rings a bell, but I'm still not sure who these guys are. Maybe they were nice and top notch guys, but the deal is they were still spammers.
When I was new and dumb to this industry, I looked into spamming. I heard about these guys making shit loads of money sending e-mails. I almost did it myself, but that was before I figured out how these guys mail.
Everyone of these spammers mails by proxie. That means they are supporting the ass fucks that use exploits and trojan people's PC's. So they may have been the nicest, coolest guys on a board or at a party, but they were still supporting the very thing everyone here hates.
Spammers depend on trojaned PC's to send their mails, so if you are a spammer or support spammers. Well then you are supporting exploiting and doing illegal installs on surfers PC's and that means you are part of the problem that's killing this industry. It's not just about annoying e-mails in your inbox.Last edited by crockett; 09-26-2007, 12:15 PM.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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I'm guessing you haven't been in this business too long and don't know who's who around here, and who does what. Based on this case, I'd say you need to find out.Comment
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People amaze me. So what, these guys were spamming. Is that such a big deal? Like I always say in these threads, I'd much rather them focus on the spam the ends up in my real mailbox at my house. On a computer we have software and a delete button to deal with it, in real life (you know the life that exists beyond the interweb) you have to throw the spam out and it fills our landfills for our future generations to deal with.
Someone said it earlier in another thread...we are all here (with the exception of some surfers here) to make money online. It makes me laugh that there is such a double standard. People will probably say: "well it's against the law here, spam laws..." and whatever bullshit rhetoric they can think of. But the bottom line is that we all are trying to make money. I personally don't spam and I don't really like receiving it anymore than any of you, but guess what...I hate those banners with sound and those ads that pop up over yahoo and other sites these days. I hate pop ups and pop unders and I hate the ads at the beginning of online videos and a bunch of other techniques that everyone here employs to make money.
These guys were just trying to make money just like us. Spam is not going anywhere just like file sharing it is going to be a thorn in our sides that we need to adapt to and learn to work around. Besides, most of the spam is not originating from North America anyways.
Oh and the sentencing is ridiculous for such a small offence considering the real players in this world can steal money from investors (Conrad Black) or send people off to die for oil (Bush Jr and Sr.) and get either a slap on the wrist or a pat on the back.
Anyways, that's enough for now. Let's stop the mail spam though...if we wanted to know what deals are going on at Best Buy or the grocery store we would go on the internet to find out anyways!
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I hope they all get whats comming to them, If people want to break laws to make money fuck them, they knew what they where doing and the risks they were taking, and they got caught, cop it on the chin
Dont do the crime if ya cant do the time. rot you fuckers,Comment
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I hate saying it...
But It's not like they were not warned.
I recall making several threads warning these guys and few others that shit was going to hit the fan.
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this had little to do with spamming.
It was more about not having correct documents.
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good riddance.-D.
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So funny how some people defend these assholes just because they were from silver cash and some people knew them as “nice guys”.. Fuck that.. If those were “Two Russians who spammed the fuck out of you”, you would be cheering like 10,000 Mexicans on Sinco De Mayo… Ok, not 4 year old daughter, lets say 13 year old who was on the web chatting with her classmate.. Bunch of hypocrites.
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Lock the cunts up and throw away the key.
Spammers should have their hands cut off.Comment
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Sentencing for the pair was as follows:
Kilbride: 78 months.
Schaffer: 63 months.
Fines, etc won't be done until October, but the gov't is going for over 1.1 million plus the forfeiture of "certain assets".Ne Humanus CredeComment
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Isn't diamond jim the owner of pornmegabucks.com ?Comment
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I personally hope they get ass raped while doing their time. These fuck faces new they were doing was not only wrong but what also one of the major reasons the world is so against our industry. Fuck these greedy assholes didnt give a crap about any of us so they got what they deserve if you ask me.
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Well..... If someone lives in the US and loads up database of emails to a server in a Amsterdam and that server sends out spam email.... Seems to me like the email came from a server in Amsterdam, not in the US.
However, I don't think it matters what country the server was in. They were in the US and they send the email, no matter where the server was located.Herschel Savage
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Now is see why people from USA here looking for hosting in europe.Comment
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I think a big reason why DJ was caught
was he was billing from his own US merchant account, it was easy to trace it back to him.
Am I correct?
6 years in the slammer, no joke, hope things work out..Comment
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if you broke the law then a judgement is fair... i just think the punishment doesnt fit the crime.
rapists and burglars get less time... people who commit assault get less time.. drug dealers get less time.
the good news is that they will likely do all their time in a white collar federal prison if they havent already appealed.
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don't worry about it, the feds are stupid, they will never catch you.Comment
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"He is a really great guy, when he isn't sending out explicit spam and laundering money."
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Haha.. were they spammers or super villains in a batman comic book?To cap it all, the dastardly duo funneled their ill-gotten gains..Comment
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I think the court was pretty angry about Minors recieving email's.
Just a thought, but when something like that comes into play int he court room it's pretty much curtains for the defendant unable to prove otherwise maintaining an non adult verified list.
Thing is they could have adult verified the lists as I understand they were impeccable at targeting niches with precision.Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 09-27-2007, 12:25 AM.
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wow that really sucks for them...anyone know how they got caught exactly?
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Well, last time I came home to the US from a few months in the Philippines, I got ass raped at customs and was accused of being a spammer because I told them I advertised adult sites (after they made me boot my laptop). I would have probably answered different to this thread before that happened but now...Fuck'em, they give us all a bad name.
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There are certain boundaries that decent webmasters do not cross. Some are laws, others are industry standards.
You sound like guys who use creative redirection methods when submitting TGP galleries. When they finally get busted for just trying to make money, it's "bullshit rhetoric" as you call it and time for a new identity and proxy.
And don't even try and say that mailing doesn't harm other webmasters. I have a very strong feeling that porn spam is the primary catalyst for a wide range of problems brought upon this industry by governments and anti-porn groups.
If you want to make an illegal financial leapfrog over honest webmasters who operate within the law, then don't expect sympathy when you get busted.Comment
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Let me add on to that:
If you want to make an illegal financial leapfrog over honest webmasters who operate within the law, then don't expect sympathy when you get busted.... Except maybe from your own kind.Comment
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they will probably get pretty light sentences and be used as contract informant... that's how our us gov't works..Comment
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Exactly! You can kill, you can deal drugs, child porn, spam whatever.... but if you're caught avoiding your taxes you're fucked - because they will come after you with everything they've got.
Doesn't matter what country it is... they all treat tax evasion like it's the most heinous crime known to mankind.yeah, yeahComment
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Good news, infComment
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Shit if they were smart they of moved out of USA once that canspam act came in, or got out of the biz. Sooner or later your gonna get caught.
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sucks for them.. coulda moved to mexico or something with all those millions_________________
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