you guys in aus just have to figure out who your 'nelson mandella' is going to be for when the shit really hits the fan

better yet just stop serving liquor watermelon and fried chicken to all the blacks to because we all know its what they eat and drink that causes problems ;)

Its both. I can't see the difference when its about race, and not only those individuals with the problems.

Do you really care Franck?

There is so much racism and discrimination in relation to this issue already I don't think it matters anymore. Is it racism that an Aboriginal person can receive more social welfare payments than a white/arab/asian, etc person in the same position? Or that their school excursions, etc are paid for by the Government, or that they get much better scholarships and payment arrangements when going to university? Surely it is.

The fact is though, for the most part the divide between regular Australia (and no not 'white Australia' - come to Sydney and you will be hard pressed finding anything that closely resembles an all white suburb) and Aboriginal Australia. It really is two different worlds, and as difficult as it may be to make these un-PC race based policies (as opposed to the PC ones that hand over more money to them because they are black) it is, provided it is handled correctly, necessary to deal with such a terrible situation.

In Denmark we have many of the same issues with the people from Greenland. They have social problems, but also benefits. Those benefits are not "racism" against the danes, its discrimination, yes, put its a part of social welfare program.
Now, if the eskimos where banned from going to bars, just because they are eskimos, then we are not talking about discrimination, but racism. Not ALL eskimos or aboriginals are part of the problem.. You are not taking away benefits, but human rights and humiliate based on race (= racism). Just like in Germany in the 30's, former South-Africa etc. That you say it doesn't matter anymore, is scary IMO...

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as someone who grew up in Alaska and spent my summers in Aleut villages, or otherwise spent a good portion of my life around arguments made by native alaskans (in spite of being given most of the state and ungodly amounts of money, benefits, free education, free medical care, hiring preference etc) - it can be safely said that for the most part, they are still totally fucked...

then i moved to washington state where you have to deal with shit like a bunch of moronic indians wanting to kill a whales with speedboats and .50 cal rifles because its "part of their heritage" in spite of the fact that a population that grew up on McDonalds and Pizza has no interest in eating something as nasty as whale meat and after seeing how they live on reservations... i think its totally normal that these people are fucked up.

the more you give people, the more backwards they become. for every success story, there is the other 99% who still end up being alcoholic, drug addicted, unemployed piles of trash that put more effort and energy into molesting their kids and stabbing their neighbors than actually taking advantage of what they are being offered.

Well it IS racism - their race simply cannot live in a modern society without all these crimes and bascially becoming piles of shit. It's their race. It really is!

Have you ever tasted it? It taste good, and there is enough of it :2 cents:

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About 10 years ago I was working at walmart and our managers wouldn't let us sell mouthwash to natives. Seems racist, but when there's tons of them hanging around outside or in the washroom every day getting drunk on the stuff it makes more sense.

Racism is discrimination based on someones race :2 cents:

yup, you're right Cj - the whites - notably the ENGLISH created this problem...
it's not totally their fault they're in this fucked up mess.

Australia is only 200 years old - and apart from the aboriginals it has NO CULTURE.

We dont have our own kind of music, sinign, clothing, arts, anything! it's just a fucked up jumbled mess of all the people the whites DIDNT WANT/... mixed with all the europeans/middle eaterners that were the ONLY ONES willing to do the REAL heavy work because the poms were too fucking stuck up to pick up a shovel and broom.

The Aboriginals got kinda lost somewhere in the middle of all this - the whites STOLE their children.. tried to intergrate them - unsuccesully- and now what we are seeing is the bad outcome of what I like to call "The Multinational Expiremental Fuck-Up" ( named Australia).


HOW excatly, i would like to know are they going to ENFORCE this ban?
Will they be hiring extra cops to patrol - maybe they should give some aboriginals the job... if they did more to provide them with JOBS.. it may help the problem.. I know plenty of aboriginals who ACTUALLY WANT TO WORK (despite what 99% of whiteys think of aboriginal being "lazy fucks " etc etc)

What is going to stop them driving to the next town to buy beer??? DUH

prohibition is NOT an answer in fact it will INCREASE the problem.

EG: if , Lionald goes across town to get drunk - then he has to return home - now we have one more drunk driver on the road - multiply that by how many aboriginals will do the same.

Gas money/ bus fares/ etc etc whatever is needed to get them to wherever they have to go - increases the COST of beer for them - so the crime rate goes UP.

I can think of a zillion reasons this is the WORST idea EVER :warning

I agree there I try not to comment on another countries problems I dont know bout.

This issue is local to me. I see first hand what they are given and what they take advantage off.

There is a FREE medical centre for aboriginals in this town. They choose not to use the health care provided.

If I need to see a doctor good luck. Sometimes I have to wait 3 days to get an appointment. You ring the abroriginal centre to be told if your not aboriginal you can't use the facility. Thats racism pure and simple and it is directed at whites.

Most of the communities around here are dry (alcohol free) and have been for a while. They all just come into town and cause problems here. Enforcing a drinking ban at all communities is going to be a logistical nightmare. Then the bastards just come into town and bring all their anti social behavoiur with them. I have already seen this. The town is loaded with ferals at the moment. More than usual.

My wife works at a local primary school. They quite often have aboriginal parents forget to pick up their children from pre-school because they are at the pub. These are 4 year old kids being left to fend for themselves.

The main problem I think the government is trying to address is the rampant sexual abuse of children. It is perfectly acceptable in the aboriginal 'culture' for the men to rape the young boys. They don't seem to see anything wrong with that. It happens more than you would like to know. The medical checkups that they are complaining are unfair and against basic human rights are aimed at getting rid of these assholes that abuse kids.

At the end of the day you can't help anyone that won't help themselves. Until the aboriginals stand up and take some responsibility for their actions they will stay right where they are.

Most people that live in the major cities in Australia have no fucking idea what the real situation is like. Live in Alice Springs, Tennant Creek or Katherine for 3 months. It will really open your eyes and start to question the bullshit that you have been fed by the media and the do gooders.

Here you go. What chance do the kids have when the parents are such fuck ups. It just gets handed down the line. The kids can't get taken away for their own good because you have that whole stolen generation crap again.

THEY choose NOT have access to education. The parent don't send their kids to school. The schools are there and they are set up to target these kids but if the parents make no effort what hope do the kids have. Most of these young kids are just like any other kids. They are quite friendly and happy. It is not until they get a bit older that they start to follow the same path as their parents and go feral.

I do a lot of work traveling to outback NT communities installing satelite pay tv. I have seen things that most people outside the Northern Territory just can't comprehend.

As far as the free college education goes I'll let you in on a secret. I enrolled in an advance diploma coure by corespondence a few years ago. When I get to the calculate total to pay by credit card there is a box to check if you are aboriginal or torres straight islander. Just out of curiosity I went back and checked the box and the total price of my course went from over $3500 down to $8. Big difference there hey buddy. I wish I had been aboriginal then. It would have saved me a lot of cash.

If they don't make the effort to seek out the education how are they supposed to get educated.
How do you punish the parents for not sending their kids to school ? The only thing they value is their welfare check. It is about time this happened.

I know of one community that already has a system in place that they won't allow school aged children into the centrelink (welfar payments)office during school hours. If they have their kids their they don't get their payment for the fortnight. I was working in the building all day and their wasn't a kid to be seen. They were all in school. You tell me that doesn't work.

LOL... like what?

Part of what makes situations like this so difficult is in your example. Just think about the mindset of those who have health care provided, but don't use it. What does it say about that person? That they don't care about themselves at all - whether they're healthy or not, whether they die or not. Is there a way to alter this outlook? Possibly, but it's probably unlikely if surrounded by it since birth, and if perhaps one is even mentally deficient due to parental drug abuse. I honestly don't know how to correct situations like this or if there is any real concrete solution per se.

Stats suggest that most people remain at the economic of their parents. That is, if your parents were poor, you will most likely be poor, and the same for your children. If this holds true for social outlook and behavior, it doesn't bode well for groups at the bottom who are entrenched in one vice after another. Culture and attitudes do change, but widespread change seems to require lots of time if ever.

Similar situations seem to exist in all countries. Not sure how it can be resolved:Oh crap

finally, a statement with some truth....

I have to say that my australia has fallen by the wayside. All the good ones left long ago methinx.
It seems that it is all about justifying ones existance through breeding ignorance and bigotry.
So many people think two dimensionally, forgetting that this country was perfect, pristine and if zion exists - aus was it. It is unfortunate that our most ancient race (of which yes, I am proudly tied to) has been so easily brushed to the side, in fact, deplorable! I am sickened to see the bullshit that people think and beleive, just fucking stoopid actually! To say that indigenous races are primitive is a grose underestimate of the powers posessed by these races of the world. This land was perfect, balanced and had a race of people that knew how to sustainably exist with the surrounding ecosystem and its other inhabitants. But hey, our ecosystem is really happy with us atm isn't it... and we have weather men that predict weather patterns really thoroughly too. It is a shame, I thought more people at gfy had a greater understanding of life, but it seems that most are as limited and as stoopid as the people they lay blame on.
A perfect race of people, that are proven to span over 40,000 years, have some of the most intricate language systems, a law which is goverened by elders who understand the most because they are old. There was not a disease, not a sceric of drugs and alcohol nor a reason to have it. Breakfast hopped past at sunrise on its way to the bilabong where the landscape was kind but fair because the people had respect. How nice are we that we fuck the world up for our kids, sounds kind of primitive in thinking if you ask me.:error

you cant hold one someone up to different expectations than someone else simply because of what someone else of the same color skin did..

Typical bunch of convicts called a government trying to impose their ideas on people who were there centuries before them and probably contaminated by the white convict perversions - nothing changes :1orglaugh

Australia could learn a lot from how NZ has treated and built up the Maori's.

If I were Aboriginal I would be shit scared of this horde of white people coming in to control me too. Anyway its obviously just a political quick fix ... not like little Johnny has been too worried the past 11 years.

whale meat [kujira] is delicious... :xomunch:xomunch

Damn I hate idiots like you. We have no culture? What a joke. I suppose you assume worshiping a fucking rock in the desert for the past 40,000 years is culture? Wow, by that standard the Aboriginals in this country are certainly very well-cultured individuals lol. Our culture is European, and it is written and apparent through EVERY single part of society. From our political system, to our social system, to our legal system, to our education system. Yes that is CULTURE, we are CULTURED people. I fail to see how passing down some bullshit dreamtime story as if it were fact around a fire is culture, but having a system where our children attend school from 5-17 to learn the truths about the world isn't? Wake up.

I'm Australian - but I do have to agree with the comment about culture.
It might not be spot on, but it's close.

Aboriginal culture is not white australian culture culture exclusively, and visa versa. Australia's identity is multi-national, and truly multi-cultural. You can be white, black or yellow or anywhere in between and be as Australian as any other.

Our history, whilst not vapid, is not as expansive as typical european culture, for example, which stretches back ten to twenty fold of ours - which is the point the PP was trying to make.

And as a PS, yes, 'Worshipping a rock' just like 'Fingerpainting on cave walls', 'worshipping a guy nailed to basic carpentry' and 'Drinking amber-coloured fermented-grain by products near an elemantally-heated steel plate' is most certainly culture.

So basically you are all saying you cant expect them to be like us so we should let them rape little children because thats part of THEIR culture. Aaah how political correct of you hippies.

Did I say that? I'm pretty sure I didn't.

Culture isn't defined exclusively by nation. We are an extenuation of Europe, of European culture, customs and values. Hell 100 years ago we were still proudly part of British Empire, and of course we quite legitimately laid claim to having the same culture and cultural practices as the British themselves. Since we formed our own self-governing body does that mean suddenly we are devoid of any of our 'own' culture?

Culture isn't developed within the borders of a nation-state exclusively, it is much more pervasive than that, and I would of thought that was pretty obvious. We are apart of Western-civilisation, which generally shares the same culture (with some minor deviation) and there is no reason to say that we can not lay claim to the same '10-20 fold' history of our European counterparts, after all it is certainly our history too, and our everyday life is a reflection of that in so many ways.

And yes, fingerprinting, etc is culture, but it certainly a pretty primitive form of it no matter how you paint it.

If I was marginalized I'd probably drink too :(

You're talking about global culture [Western, Eastern] in the context of something very specific, ie, Australia.

Yes, we are a Monarchy, but I challenge you to find any Australian, ask them what their nationality is and have them say: Well, I'm actually British.

You may classify Australian culture as an augmentation of British culture, but it's not.

Australia is Australia - Britain is Britain... Australian history has roots in British history, but they are totally distinct.

Do you hear any Americans here stepping up and saying: hey, American culture is actually british, what what.