Universal healthcare poll

Read the book sick, actually the costs are much cheaper when the goverment runs it. The Chairman of united health care gave himself a half billion dollar bonus,the government doesnt give bonuses and other bullshit like Tv advertising,print. The Iraq war has been so expensive because they have been privatizing this war.

I dont want to pay for all you fatties ...
We pay people not to work and get fat and have babies with welfare, and now you want us to pay for their bad health as well ?

I haven't seen the movie yet. I look forward to it. Are there any stats on this phenomenon?

Likewise there are tons of Canadians who buy drugs in the US because they're too expensive in Canada.

The problem is in most countries the government works for the people because they fear getting tossed on their ass. In the US the government controls the people for the most part. Canada is getting closer to this as well.

Let me share another story with you, my Dad is a republican and he was always people going broke from health care its liberal bullshit. My Dad had started with a new company 5 months ago,did so well they had him interview for a management job ( my dad works in the ins industry).Well then the cancer came,he gets a call from his boss at the sales meeting we all prayed for you and in the next breath HR has to talk to you. Hr says we are putting you on short term disability(6 weeks) then your terminated and your health insurance is canceled you can cobra if you want. Now he is lucky he is being switched to my moms plan.Now in a family where the hubby only works, they are in a world of shit in the middle of cancer and God only knows what the cobra would of cost. This really opened his eyes.

If there's a family where only the Dad works and the Dad is out of a job, then why can't the wife work then?

I am betting that his COBRA would have cost less than what they are going to pay out for his cancer treatment.

I'm amazed by this response because i know your not some young girl that doesn't know the ways of the world.

lets say his Mom hasn't worked in 5-10-15 years and has been raising kids and taking care of the house. she is in her 50's now. you think she can just run out and get a job that will not only pay all there bills but also allow her to take care of her sick husband. hell it took him 30-40 years to get to where they are in life, I'm sure she can run out with little to no work experience or skills and pick up right where he left off.

And yes the Cobra would be cheaper but if you are a middle class person living basically paycheck to paycheck like most middle class your not going to be able to afford the Cobra either. many families lose everything they've worked for because of that exact situation his parents are in.

Tony ... I wish your dad the best .. in most countries a man works all his life and comes down with an illness like that and his government and countrymen would make sure he doesn't lose what he's worked for and can get the treatment he needs without debt and worry.

Tony ... I wish your dad the best .. in most countries a man works all his life and comes down with an illness like that and his government and countrymen would make sure he doesn't lose what he's worked for and can get the treatment he needs without debt and worry.

Its often said you can judge a society based on how they look after their elderly . Maybe western society is on the decline ?

lol..maybe? US society health care for the elderly is so fucking disgusting that words can't even make light of it. I witness this first hand with my girls father and all the issues we went through for 4 years up until his death. The best insurance, didn't make a difference...ppo, hmo AND motion picture....they fucked him every which way and then fucked him so more. You guys have no idea.

We got a grade A lesson from the "school of hard knocks" on how the healthcare system works (at least in California). It's nasty, it's disgusting, and it's embarassing.

Are you kidding me with this shit?

In America no Doctor is going to say sorry, your insurance guy wants his bonus so you have to DIE!

Your statement proves my point, headline readers! The government crutch is always introduced by the use of fear! Sweetie I promise you if you ever have a life or death situation there are people who will do everything they can to get you your kidney, heart, liver whatever you need. There are plenty of private donation programs out there. I am an organ donor. I know there are horror stories about people not getting organs and such, but that happens even in countries with universal health care.

If there's a family where only the Dad works and the Dad is out of a job, then why can't the wife work then?

I am betting that his COBRA would have cost less than what they are going to pay out for his cancer treatment.

Bumping to see if we can find one person who lives in a country with universal healthcare who thinks their country would be better off without it.

Surely they exist?

I think the poll results from countries who have universal health care speaks volumes.

I would venture to guess most of them have systems that are not perfect yet they still wouldn't trade it in for the HMO system.

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I am for universal health care. It is interesting to see who is not, I wonder what their reasons are?

Bumping to see if we can find one person who lives in a country with universal healthcare who thinks their country would be better off without it.

Surely they exist?

Yes most insurance companies suck to deal with, but dealing with the government ALWAYS sucks more.

Still looking for this person.

Anyone?

Interesting map.

Ask 29 people on welfare if they want to get rid of the welfare system.

Results? 29 no, 0 yes.

Why? Cuz China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Argentina all have some type of universal healthcare?

Nice straw man argument.

In reality, people see the value in the system, how it makes their society a better place and that it works better than the alternatives.

But I suppose you would have to live in a country that had it to understand that.

Yeah, its amazing the countries that can provide health care to all their citizens, even many in the second world.

Perhaps what is more amazing is some of the ones that can't.

THANK YOU!!!!!!! Someone who gets it!

Why the fuck would anyone want the government to control anything else in your life?

LESS GOVERNMENT! And please NO ONE in America gets turned away for medical help. For God sakes illegal aliens get medical help all the time, and they know not to call a taxi, call an ambulance because it will get paid for. There are so many government assistant programs out there it is not even funny. People just don't use them because the "headline readers" say there is nothing out there for anyone and people just sit on their ass and believe that instead of going out and finding what they can do to help better their lives.

When I got into an accident when I was in my early 20's, getting away from the family and wanting to be on my own, I had no insurance and I got great medical care, plus I got assistance with the bills. I have had many friends that I have helped over the years in the same situation and got the same results.

I think once the government starts controlling that part of our lives, you will see the decrease of competition in the medical fields. Competition is great and it makes people work harder to find better cures for illnesses.

I can?t stand when people say out of one side of their mouth, I hate the government it is so corrupted, but out the other side of their mouth its the government should support me and pay for everything. Make up your mind, you either like the government or you don't.

The people are not stupid we can take care of ourselves and our families. And the people who are in this country who can't take care of themselves, there are several programs already out there for them. Nothing is perfect and NOTHING EVER WILL BE. But if you let the government have any more control over you, you will fuck yourself more than you could ever image. Once they get you to depend on them for things that you can take care of yourself, it?s hard to get away from it. Look what happen with welfare. It was designed to help, but instead people took advantage of it and ended up depending on it for life and not their own ability to succeed. It keeps people down, it doesn?t help motivate them to succeed and be their best. Yes, I know there are people who do use welfare the way it should be used, to help get through a tough time and get back on their feet.

And of course what he said about Social Security. At the time it was needed, but now it is not. People depend on that money instead of planning their own retirements. See the crutch the government wants you to have so they have the power. LESS GOVERNMENT BETTER COUNTRY!!! Opportunity is everywhere in this country, ask anyone of the people who stuffed themselves in crates and boxes to get here. It?s because they want the freedom to make the choices they want in their lives and use their talents and brains to support them and become successful. They don?t come here to have another government control them.

I think it was France that had that huge heat wave and thousands of people died. There was no gathering of people to help each other during that heat wave, because everyone just thought their government would take care of them. That didn?t work out to well, did it?

America is America because of how Americans are, HELPFUL and GIVING! And if you can?t see that then you are blinded by your own ?headline reading? hateful agenda.

My head is spinning. I have an idea.

Why not privatize fire departments? Better yet, why not privatize the police department?

Hardly an argument. We here in the US call that humor. look it up ;-)

She said "less government", not "no government".

I am not a big fan of the government "protecting the people". I am in favor of people protecting themselves.

My head is spinning. I have an idea.

Why not privatize fire departments? Better yet, why not privatize the police department?

But you're against the government protecting citizens?

THANK YOU!!!!!!! Someone who gets it!

Why the fuck would anyone want the government to control anything else in your life?

LESS GOVERNMENT! And please NO ONE in America gets turned away for medical help. For God sakes illegal aliens get medical help all the time, and they know not to call a taxi, call an ambulance because it will get paid for. There are so many government assistant programs out there it is not even funny. People just don't use them because the "headline readers" say there is nothing out there for anyone and people just sit on their ass and believe that instead of going out and finding what they can do to help better their lives.

When I got into an accident when I was in my early 20's, getting away from the family and wanting to be on my own, I had no insurance and I got great medical care, plus I got assistance with the bills. I have had many friends that I have helped over the years in the same situation and got the same results.

I think once the government starts controlling that part of our lives, you will see the decrease of competition in the medical fields. Competition is great and it makes people work harder to find better cures for illnesses.

I can?t stand when people say out of one side of their mouth, I hate the government it is so corrupted, but out the other side of their mouth its the government should support me and pay for everything. Make up your mind, you either like the government or you don't.

The people are not stupid we can take care of ourselves and our families. And the people who are in this country who can't take care of themselves, there are several programs already out there for them. Nothing is perfect and NOTHING EVER WILL BE. But if you let the government have any more control over you, you will fuck yourself more than you could ever image. Once they get you to depend on them for things that you can take care of yourself, it?s hard to get away from it. Look what happen with welfare. It was designed to help, but instead people took advantage of it and ended up depending on it for life and not their own ability to succeed. It keeps people down, it doesn?t help motivate them to succeed and be their best. Yes, I know there are people who do use welfare the way it should be used, to help get through a tough time and get back on their feet.

And of course what he said about Social Security. At the time it was needed, but now it is not. People depend on that money instead of planning their own retirements. See the crutch the government wants you to have so they have the power. LESS GOVERNMENT BETTER COUNTRY!!! Opportunity is everywhere in this country, ask anyone of the people who stuffed themselves in crates and boxes to get here. It?s because they want the freedom to make the choices they want in their lives and use their talents and brains to support them and become successful. They don?t come here to have another government control them.

I think it was France that had that huge heat wave and thousands of people died. There was no gathering of people to help each other during that heat wave, because everyone just thought their government would take care of them. That didn?t work out to well, did it?

America is America because of how Americans are, HELPFUL and GIVING! And if you can?t see that then you are blinded by your own ?headline reading? hateful agenda.

I am absolutely not against the government protecting its citizens. I said no such thing. I said I am not a "big fan". Meaning I would shrink nearly every government expense out there. I am completely in favor of a strong military. I think we could cut back there though. I am in favor of limited welfare. I think we could cut back there. I am in favor of helping our eldest citizens. I think we could cut back on it though. There are no contradictions there. I can be in favor of a strong military but yet think we spend too much on it.

So lower taxes, cut back IRS expenses, raise the retirement age and get rid of 3-6 aircraft carriers. I'd be down with that.

Where there is a reasonable opportunity for privatization of any government service I would be in favor of doing such things in test markets. Baby steps. Again, I am not in favor of no government. Nor do I think government is horrible at everything it does. UPS and Fed Ex are great services that compete against the postal service. The postal service does a great job too, No complaints there.

Police and fire? I don't know how to do that from here. Education? I don't know how that can be done either. Some things we are probably stuck with.

If there's a family where only the Dad works and the Dad is out of a job, then why can't the wife work then?

I am betting that his COBRA would have cost less than what they are going to pay out for his cancer treatment.

I love you but watch more than Fox, it really shows. On this subject you really dont know what your talking about also I assume you dont pay for medical insurance.

Privatization is not always a good thing look at the iraq war, privatization has cost us taxpayers a bundle.

I don't disagree with you, Tony. Government spending my money on "outsourcing" is just as bad as them spending my money on programs they run directly. What i want is smaller government expenditures. While governments overall are quite inefficient that is only part of the story for me.

You think you have a RIGHT to healthcare? Well, fine.

I think i should have a RIGHT run my business for a profit without 50 cents of every dollar I spend (federal taxes, state taxes, city taxes, property taxes, sales tax) being "redistributed". It's straight-up robbery! How far we've come since feudalism. Now instead of the local lord forcefully taking half of everything I earn a buncha dudes in Washington DC VOTE to forecfully take half of everything I own.

To prosper in this great country and then bitch about taxes is wrong to me.

A lot of people have posted in favor of universal health care using the point that they want doctors, not insurance companies making decisions.

It might work in some other countries, but the last thing I want is some far right slanted government (like we had for the first 6 years of W's admin) deciding that since the church says abortion is bad, and we should only teach abstinance that abortion and birth control are no longer covered by our health care system.

Even better, I do not want the "approved" and paid for proceedures and medications to be determined by which company sent the most money to the current administration's campaign.

I have dealt with the US Health care system on pretty much all level, as a welfare recipient as a child, as a soldier, as a HMO member, as a person without coverage, and as a person with a GOOD health care package.

I have never been denied treatment anywhere.

Yes most insurance companies suck to deal with, but dealing with the government ALWAYS sucks more.

COBRA is only 18 months. On top of that, there isn't a health insurance company in the world who will accept someone who has cancer.

I'm amazed by this response because i know your not some young girl that doesn't know the ways of the world.

lets say his Mom hasn't worked in 5-10-15 years and has been raising kids and taking care of the house. she is in her 50's now. you think she can just run out and get a job that will not only pay all there bills but also allow her to take care of her sick husband. hell it took him 30-40 years to get to where they are in life, I'm sure she can run out with little to no work experience or skills and pick up right where he left off.

And yes the Cobra would be cheaper but if you are a middle class person living basically paycheck to paycheck like most middle class your not going to be able to afford the Cobra either. many families lose everything they've worked for because of that exact situation his parents are in.

Tony ... I wish your dad the best .. in most countries a man works all his life and comes down with an illness like that and his government and countrymen would make sure he doesn't lose what he's worked for and can get the treatment he needs without debt and worry.

So you're saying the government should take care of them instead of

1. Having the wife get a job
2. Having good health insurance in the first place
3. Saving throughout your life so you have money to pay for your own medical care
4. Getting private donations