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  • TheSenator
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Feb 2003
    • 13340

    #91
    Originally posted by Peaches
    If there's a family where only the Dad works and the Dad is out of a job, then why can't the wife work then?

    I am betting that his COBRA would have cost less than what they are going to pay out for his cancer treatment.
    My wife has a job. She raises our three children and keeps the house in order. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    If I get seriously ill my wife shouldn't have to work. I would want her by my side and the children. In the universal healthcare model, this scenario is possible.
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    • TheSenator
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Feb 2003
      • 13340

      #92
      Originally posted by tony404
      I love you but watch more than Fox, it really shows. On this subject you really dont know what your talking about also I assume you dont pay for medical insurance.

      I was also thrown back by her post. Someone must have hacked her account on GFY.
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      • ADL Colin
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        • Feb 2001
        • 11929

        #93
        Originally posted by tony404
        Privatization is not always a good thing look at the iraq war, privatization has cost us taxpayers a bundle.
        I don't disagree with you, Tony. Government spending my money on "outsourcing" is just as bad as them spending my money on programs they run directly. What i want is smaller government expenditures. While governments overall are quite inefficient that is only part of the story for me.

        You think you have a RIGHT to healthcare? Well, fine.

        I think i should have a RIGHT run my business for a profit without 50 cents of every dollar I spend (federal taxes, state taxes, city taxes, property taxes, sales tax) being "redistributed". It's straight-up robbery! How far we've come since feudalism. Now instead of the local lord forcefully taking half of everything I earn a buncha dudes in Washington DC VOTE to forecfully take half of everything I own.


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        • tony299
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          • Aug 2002
          • 57021

          #94
          Originally posted by ADL Colin
          I don't disagree with you, Tony. Government spending my money on "outsourcing" is just as bad as them spending my money on programs they run directly. What i want is smaller government expenditures. While governments overall are quite inefficient that is only part of the story for me.

          You think you have a RIGHT to healthcare? Well, fine.

          I think i should have a RIGHT run my business for a profit without 50 cents of every dollar I spend (federal taxes, state taxes, city taxes, property taxes, sales tax) being "redistributed". It's straight-up robbery! How far we've come since feudalism. Now instead of the local lord forcefully taking half of everything I earn a buncha dudes in Washington DC VOTE to forecfully take half of everything I own.
          I work for myself also and have to write that check every quarter but seeing with my Dad and before this with my sister. Changes have to have happen.I also look at my taxes as I get to live and work in this great country that has an environment that I could make the living I make so I give them their share. To prosper in this great country and then bitch about taxes is wrong to me.
          Last edited by tony286; 06-22-2007, 06:36 AM.

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          • ADL Colin
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            • Feb 2001
            • 11929

            #95
            Originally posted by tony404
            To prosper in this great country and then bitch about taxes is wrong to me.
            "bitching about taxes" is how this country started in the first place.


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            • Peaches
              Old broad
              • Oct 2002
              • 13933

              #96
              Originally posted by OldJeff
              A lot of people have posted in favor of universal health care using the point that they want doctors, not insurance companies making decisions.

              It might work in some other countries, but the last thing I want is some far right slanted government (like we had for the first 6 years of W's admin) deciding that since the church says abortion is bad, and we should only teach abstinance that abortion and birth control are no longer covered by our health care system.

              Even better, I do not want the "approved" and paid for proceedures and medications to be determined by which company sent the most money to the current administration's campaign.

              I have dealt with the US Health care system on pretty much all level, as a welfare recipient as a child, as a soldier, as a HMO member, as a person without coverage, and as a person with a GOOD health care package.

              I have never been denied treatment anywhere.

              Yes most insurance companies suck to deal with, but dealing with the government ALWAYS sucks more.
              Exactly. It amazes me that of all people, we are hearing that people in THIS INDUSTRY want more government involvement in their lives!!

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              • Peaches
                Old broad
                • Oct 2002
                • 13933

                #97
                Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                COBRA is only 18 months. On top of that, there isn't a health insurance company in the world who will accept someone who has cancer.
                Actually there is. There are STATE PLANS (not the federal government) that provide this.

                Here's some information from Lance Armstrong's site:

                http://www.livestrong.org/site/c.jvK...nformation.htm

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                • Peaches
                  Old broad
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 13933

                  #98
                  Originally posted by MikeVega
                  I'm amazed by this response because i know your not some young girl that doesn't know the ways of the world.

                  lets say his Mom hasn't worked in 5-10-15 years and has been raising kids and taking care of the house. she is in her 50's now. you think she can just run out and get a job that will not only pay all there bills but also allow her to take care of her sick husband. hell it took him 30-40 years to get to where they are in life, I'm sure she can run out with little to no work experience or skills and pick up right where he left off.

                  And yes the Cobra would be cheaper but if you are a middle class person living basically paycheck to paycheck like most middle class your not going to be able to afford the Cobra either. many families lose everything they've worked for because of that exact situation his parents are in.

                  Tony ... I wish your dad the best .. in most countries a man works all his life and comes down with an illness like that and his government and countrymen would make sure he doesn't lose what he's worked for and can get the treatment he needs without debt and worry.
                  So you're saying the government should take care of them instead of

                  1. Having the wife get a job
                  2. Having good health insurance in the first place
                  3. Saving throughout your life so you have money to pay for your own medical care
                  4. Getting private donations

                  You guys CONSTANTLY complain about how horrible the elected officials are, what horrible decisions the government makes, how they are too big and into too much, BUT you want them to come running and make decisions on your health and the health of your loved ones??!!

                  I just don't get it. I wouldn't trust the government to take care of my dogs.

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                  • wil_I_Am
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 695

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Peaches
                    So you're saying the government should take care of them instead of

                    1. Having the wife get a job
                    2. Having good health insurance in the first place
                    3. Saving throughout your life so you have money to pay for your own medical care
                    4. Getting private donations
                    Again.. obviously you are someone who has NEVER had something significant happen to someone in your family. Our medical prices are so inflated that no middle-class family could afford to pay for them.

                    So you're saying that by not saving for the $500,000+ operations, it's their fault for being irresponsible? Or are you saying that we should just let people die?

                    In a perfect world, sure.. we should be able to pay for our own healthcare. But because of the current system, hospitals have to charge 200%+ for procedures, in the hopes that HMO's will pay half of what they ask for. This drives prices up so far that it's impossible to pay the bills (for an average family).

                    And, I know you're going to say "it's your fault for not having insurance." So what about those people that can't get decent insurance due to "pre-existing" conditions?

                    Again, please watch the movie. It might not change your mind, but I'd at least like to hear your thoughts afterwards. I've always hated Michael Moore, but this topic was hot before he brought it into the spotlight. Most Americans have been too complacent to do anything about it, hopefully this will light a torch under our asses.

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                    • ADL Colin
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                      • Feb 2001
                      • 11929

                      #100
                      100 commies!


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                      • jonesonyou
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                        • Sep 2003
                        • 3853

                        #101
                        I dont have healthcare and I want it.

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                        • ADL Colin
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 11929

                          #102
                          Originally posted by Incredible_Wil
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                          So you're saying that by not saving for the $500,000+ operations, it's their fault for being irresponsible? Or are you saying that we should just let people die?
                          It's one thing to say you think something is a problem. It's quite another to say that it is the responsibility of a government to fix it. There are a lot of problems in the world. What does that have to do with government?

                          Cigarettes are a problem. They kill people. We are just 'letting people die" from them. Is it the government's responsibility to ban them?


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                          • MikeVega
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                            • Jul 2004
                            • 12788

                            #103
                            Originally posted by ADL Colin
                            It's one thing to say you think something is a problem. It's quite another to say that it is the responsibility of a government to fix it. There are a lot of problems in the world. What does that have to do with government?

                            Cigarettes are a problem. They kill people. We are just 'letting people die" from them. Is it the government's responsibility to ban them?
                            No the government shouldn't ban them but if you've seen the movie Sicko you would know that in the UK the doctors make more money based on the health improvements of their patients . a doctor will make more if he helps you stop smoking.

                            and the doctors are paid very well not like you would be led to believe ..


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                            • Cherry7
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                              • Aug 2005
                              • 3564

                              #104
                              Originally posted by ADL Colin
                              100 commies!
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                              • Peaches
                                Old broad
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 13933

                                #105
                                Originally posted by Incredible_Wil
                                Again.. obviously you are someone who has NEVER had something significant happen to someone in your family. Our medical prices are so inflated that no middle-class family could afford to pay for them.

                                So you're saying that by not saving for the $500,000+ operations, it's their fault for being irresponsible? Or are you saying that we should just let people die?

                                In a perfect world, sure.. we should be able to pay for our own healthcare. But because of the current system, hospitals have to charge 200%+ for procedures, in the hopes that HMO's will pay half of what they ask for. This drives prices up so far that it's impossible to pay the bills (for an average family).

                                And, I know you're going to say "it's your fault for not having insurance." So what about those people that can't get decent insurance due to "pre-existing" conditions?

                                Again, please watch the movie. It might not change your mind, but I'd at least like to hear your thoughts afterwards. I've always hated Michael Moore, but this topic was hot before he brought it into the spotlight. Most Americans have been too complacent to do anything about it, hopefully this will light a torch under our asses.
                                Actually, yes I have. I paid over $25K of my own money in 2000 because I was under insured. Was I pissed? Yes. At myself.

                                I paid probably $5K a year for prescriptions for the first two years I had insurance because migraines were an excluded pre-existing condition for 2 years. I sucked it up, paid the $$$, realized I had screwed up by not having continuous coverage and now my migraines are covered.

                                Did I want the government to come in, take over and fix the problems I had created for myself? No. I tend to want LESS government involvement in my life, not more.


                                But that's me.

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