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  • ADL Colin
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Feb 2001
    • 11929

    #76
    Originally posted by Porn Farmer
    Still looking for this person.

    Anyone?
    Ask 29 people on welfare if they want to get rid of the welfare system.

    Results? 29 no, 0 yes.


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    • ADL Colin
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      • Feb 2001
      • 11929

      #77
      Originally posted by Porn Farmer
      Interesting map.

      Why? Cuz China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Argentina all have some type of universal healthcare?


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      • Porn Farmer
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        • Feb 2007
        • 928

        #78
        Originally posted by ADL Colin
        Ask 29 people on welfare if they want to get rid of the welfare system.

        Results? 29 no, 0 yes.
        Nice straw man argument.

        In reality, people see the value in the system, how it makes their society a better place and that it works better than the alternatives.

        But I suppose you would have to live in a country that had it to understand that.

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        • Porn Farmer
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2007
          • 928

          #79
          Originally posted by ADL Colin
          Why? Cuz China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Argentina all have some type of universal healthcare?
          Yeah, its amazing the countries that can provide health care to all their citizens, even many in the second world.

          Perhaps what is more amazing is some of the ones that can't.

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          • ADL Colin
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Feb 2001
            • 11929

            #80
            Originally posted by Porn Farmer
            Nice straw man argument.

            In reality, people see the value in the system, how it makes their society a better place and that it works better than the alternatives.

            But I suppose you would have to live in a country that had it to understand that.
            Hardly an argument. We here in the US call that humor. look it up ;-)


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            • ADL Colin
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Feb 2001
              • 11929

              #81
              Originally posted by Porn Farmer
              Yeah, its amazing the countries that can provide health care to all their citizens, even many in the second world.

              Perhaps what is more amazing is some of the ones that can't.
              So a group of people (yeah, politicians) get together and demand that we pool our money to buy everyone else healthcare. Why not pool our money together and buy everyone an auto? Shouldn't a car be a 20th century right? I saw people wasting valuable time standing at the bus stop today. Decreases productivity for society. Imagine what we could do with socialized automobiles! They would be cheaper too. While we're at it let's socialize gasoline production. The government can take over exxon and conoco. Gasoline is a RIGHT!

              Why stop there? We can have socialized food too. Let the government run big cafeterias. We can all show up whenever we are hungry and eat "for free". Surely some people can't afford to eat. This would make sure that no one goes hungry.


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              • TheSenator
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Feb 2003
                • 13340

                #82
                Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
                THANK YOU!!!!!!! Someone who gets it!

                Why the fuck would anyone want the government to control anything else in your life?

                LESS GOVERNMENT! And please NO ONE in America gets turned away for medical help. For God sakes illegal aliens get medical help all the time, and they know not to call a taxi, call an ambulance because it will get paid for. There are so many government assistant programs out there it is not even funny. People just don't use them because the "headline readers" say there is nothing out there for anyone and people just sit on their ass and believe that instead of going out and finding what they can do to help better their lives.

                When I got into an accident when I was in my early 20's, getting away from the family and wanting to be on my own, I had no insurance and I got great medical care, plus I got assistance with the bills. I have had many friends that I have helped over the years in the same situation and got the same results.

                I think once the government starts controlling that part of our lives, you will see the decrease of competition in the medical fields. Competition is great and it makes people work harder to find better cures for illnesses.

                I can?t stand when people say out of one side of their mouth, I hate the government it is so corrupted, but out the other side of their mouth its the government should support me and pay for everything. Make up your mind, you either like the government or you don't.

                The people are not stupid we can take care of ourselves and our families. And the people who are in this country who can't take care of themselves, there are several programs already out there for them. Nothing is perfect and NOTHING EVER WILL BE. But if you let the government have any more control over you, you will fuck yourself more than you could ever image. Once they get you to depend on them for things that you can take care of yourself, it?s hard to get away from it. Look what happen with welfare. It was designed to help, but instead people took advantage of it and ended up depending on it for life and not their own ability to succeed. It keeps people down, it doesn?t help motivate them to succeed and be their best. Yes, I know there are people who do use welfare the way it should be used, to help get through a tough time and get back on their feet.

                And of course what he said about Social Security. At the time it was needed, but now it is not. People depend on that money instead of planning their own retirements. See the crutch the government wants you to have so they have the power. LESS GOVERNMENT BETTER COUNTRY!!! Opportunity is everywhere in this country, ask anyone of the people who stuffed themselves in crates and boxes to get here. It?s because they want the freedom to make the choices they want in their lives and use their talents and brains to support them and become successful. They don?t come here to have another government control them.

                I think it was France that had that huge heat wave and thousands of people died. There was no gathering of people to help each other during that heat wave, because everyone just thought their government would take care of them. That didn?t work out to well, did it?

                America is America because of how Americans are, HELPFUL and GIVING! And if you can?t see that then you are blinded by your own ?headline reading? hateful agenda.

                My head is spinning. I have an idea.

                Why not privatize fire departments? Better yet, why not privatize the police department?
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                • ADL Colin
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 11929

                  #83
                  Originally posted by TheSenator
                  My head is spinning. I have an idea.

                  Why not privatize fire departments? Better yet, why not privatize the police department?
                  She said "less government", not "no government".


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                  • Porn Farmer
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                    • Feb 2007
                    • 928

                    #84
                    Originally posted by ADL Colin
                    Hardly an argument. We here in the US call that humor. look it up ;-)
                    Very appropriate, considering your healthcare system is a joke.

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                    • Porn Farmer
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 928

                      #85
                      Originally posted by ADL Colin
                      She said "less government", not "no government".
                      Originally posted by ADL Colin
                      I am not a big fan of the government "protecting the people". I am in favor of people protecting themselves.
                      But you're against the government protecting citizens?

                      Why don't you want to privatise the fire department and the police?

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                      • TheSenator
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 13340

                        #86
                        There should never be room for the word “profit” when you are trying to make a decision whether or not to provide somebody care when they get sick.
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                        • yys
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2001
                          • 1922

                          #87
                          Originally posted by TheSenator
                          My head is spinning. I have an idea.

                          Why not privatize fire departments? Better yet, why not privatize the police department?
                          The fire departments used to be private. They wouldn't put a fire out until a payment was agreed upon; One of the main reason the government took over those duties. Who wants to negotiate a price as your home or business is burning to the ground?

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                          • ADL Colin
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Feb 2001
                            • 11929

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Porn Farmer
                            But you're against the government protecting citizens?
                            I am absolutely not against the government protecting its citizens. I said no such thing. I said I am not a "big fan". Meaning I would shrink nearly every government expense out there. I am completely in favor of a strong military. I think we could cut back there though. I am in favor of limited welfare. I think we could cut back there. I am in favor of helping our eldest citizens. I think we could cut back on it though. There are no contradictions there. I can be in favor of a strong military but yet think we spend too much on it.

                            So lower taxes, cut back IRS expenses, raise the retirement age and get rid of 3-6 aircraft carriers. I'd be down with that.

                            Where there is a reasonable opportunity for privatization of any government service I would be in favor of doing such things in test markets. Baby steps. Again, I am not in favor of no government. Nor do I think government is horrible at everything it does. UPS and Fed Ex are great services that compete against the postal service. The postal service does a great job too, No complaints there.

                            Police and fire? I don't know how to do that from here. Education? I don't know how that can be done either. Some things we are probably stuck with.


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                            • tony299
                              lurker
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 57021

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
                              THANK YOU!!!!!!! Someone who gets it!

                              Why the fuck would anyone want the government to control anything else in your life?

                              LESS GOVERNMENT! And please NO ONE in America gets turned away for medical help. For God sakes illegal aliens get medical help all the time, and they know not to call a taxi, call an ambulance because it will get paid for. There are so many government assistant programs out there it is not even funny. People just don't use them because the "headline readers" say there is nothing out there for anyone and people just sit on their ass and believe that instead of going out and finding what they can do to help better their lives.

                              When I got into an accident when I was in my early 20's, getting away from the family and wanting to be on my own, I had no insurance and I got great medical care, plus I got assistance with the bills. I have had many friends that I have helped over the years in the same situation and got the same results.

                              I think once the government starts controlling that part of our lives, you will see the decrease of competition in the medical fields. Competition is great and it makes people work harder to find better cures for illnesses.

                              I can?t stand when people say out of one side of their mouth, I hate the government it is so corrupted, but out the other side of their mouth its the government should support me and pay for everything. Make up your mind, you either like the government or you don't.

                              The people are not stupid we can take care of ourselves and our families. And the people who are in this country who can't take care of themselves, there are several programs already out there for them. Nothing is perfect and NOTHING EVER WILL BE. But if you let the government have any more control over you, you will fuck yourself more than you could ever image. Once they get you to depend on them for things that you can take care of yourself, it?s hard to get away from it. Look what happen with welfare. It was designed to help, but instead people took advantage of it and ended up depending on it for life and not their own ability to succeed. It keeps people down, it doesn?t help motivate them to succeed and be their best. Yes, I know there are people who do use welfare the way it should be used, to help get through a tough time and get back on their feet.

                              And of course what he said about Social Security. At the time it was needed, but now it is not. People depend on that money instead of planning their own retirements. See the crutch the government wants you to have so they have the power. LESS GOVERNMENT BETTER COUNTRY!!! Opportunity is everywhere in this country, ask anyone of the people who stuffed themselves in crates and boxes to get here. It?s because they want the freedom to make the choices they want in their lives and use their talents and brains to support them and become successful. They don?t come here to have another government control them.

                              I think it was France that had that huge heat wave and thousands of people died. There was no gathering of people to help each other during that heat wave, because everyone just thought their government would take care of them. That didn?t work out to well, did it?

                              America is America because of how Americans are, HELPFUL and GIVING! And if you can?t see that then you are blinded by your own ?headline reading? hateful agenda.
                              I love you but watch more than Fox, it really shows. On this subject you really dont know what your talking about also I assume you dont pay for medical insurance.

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                              • tony299
                                lurker
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 57021

                                #90
                                Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                I am absolutely not against the government protecting its citizens. I said no such thing. I said I am not a "big fan". Meaning I would shrink nearly every government expense out there. I am completely in favor of a strong military. I think we could cut back there though. I am in favor of limited welfare. I think we could cut back there. I am in favor of helping our eldest citizens. I think we could cut back on it though. There are no contradictions there. I can be in favor of a strong military but yet think we spend too much on it.

                                So lower taxes, cut back IRS expenses, raise the retirement age and get rid of 3-6 aircraft carriers. I'd be down with that.

                                Where there is a reasonable opportunity for privatization of any government service I would be in favor of doing such things in test markets. Baby steps. Again, I am not in favor of no government. Nor do I think government is horrible at everything it does. UPS and Fed Ex are great services that compete against the postal service. The postal service does a great job too, No complaints there.

                                Police and fire? I don't know how to do that from here. Education? I don't know how that can be done either. Some things we are probably stuck with.
                                Privatization is not always a good thing look at the iraq war, privatization has cost us taxpayers a bundle.Once there is a strong profit motive and shareholder responsibility, the client becomes second class.

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