what do you think about XML ? - GoFuckYourself.com

Lane · 08-28-2002, 07:50 PM

now the language has been out for a while..

programmers are very excited about it..

what is your opinios about it?

i would say its coming really strong.. its gonna change many standards out there..

for those of you who dont know, its not simply a web page language like HTML, although it can do anything that HTML can.. its basically a way that programs communicate with eachother (such as web server talking to your browser)..

although i'm very new to it, im kinda impatient to learn more about it.. (just dont have much time these days)..

what do you guys think? from a web designer point of view and a programmers point of view.

Lane

kenny · 08-28-2002, 07:52 PM

I dont know anything about XML, what is it some kind of super HTML?

Brown Bear · 08-28-2002, 07:54 PM

I would like to read some examples of how XML has been used.

I don't really understand what XML is all that useful for.

Bad B0y · 08-28-2002, 07:56 PM

I know that XML is used to interface with many services but up to now I have not find a good use for it.
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Lane · 08-28-2002, 07:56 PM

well, for example if you want to make a web page using XML, you define all the tags yourself.. you can use style sheets for that.. and you can name the tags whatever you want..

its similar to html but it is as flexible at it can get... for example one of my friends built an instant messenger and the programs communicates using XML.. it provides a very convinient way for message passing between programs..

kenny · 08-28-2002, 07:57 PM

Do all the browsers support it?

mrthumbs · 08-28-2002, 08:00 PM

The problem with XML is that it has a higher learning curve than html and once you finally know how to implement and use
it: it doenst offer anything significant.

However.. if you want to be able to do what you are doing now in the near future (where no longer your data will be exclusively approached by PC's using a standard browser and access from and to different platforms is business as usual) these are one of the key technologies you should follow and learn.

XML is not about design and layout (and that's what technologies
like html, dhtml, flash etc offer) it's about DATA.

Lane · 08-28-2002, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
Do all the browsers support it?

i think so

Brown Bear · 08-28-2002, 08:05 PM

So how will XML affect adult websites in the future? I don't see what XML has to offer?

What could I do with XML that I can't already do now?

MrPopup · 08-28-2002, 08:07 PM

The power of XML lies in the ability to combine it with a scripting technology like PHP.

Slowly, but surely, none of you will ever touch a fucking HTML editor. Database, PHP, and XML is the way to go.

Brown Bear · 08-28-2002, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup
The power of XML lies in the ability to combine it with a scripting technology like PHP.

Slowly, but surely, none of you will ever touch a fucking HTML editor. Database, PHP, and XML is the way to go.

But why? I still don't understand what benefit it has over existing technologies.

and more importantly, how could XML be used in adult websites?

For example: how could a paysite or a TGP use XML to make it better?

Swiftone · 08-28-2002, 08:20 PM

XML rocks. For example look at the XML on the amazon affiliate program, instead of writing your own spider to search their site, blah blah blah, to display affiliate code on their page, you can simply use their XML utility and have your script fetch a page with stuff like this...

Pretend the *'s are < >'s please.

*ProductName*Product 1*/ProductName*
*Price*$15.40*/Price*
etc.etc.

It makes sending data between applications, services and programs very easy which is the main purpose.. I love it!

The main advantage it has over existing technologies is that is is a stanard, and extremely easy to understand.

mrthumbs · 08-28-2002, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear

But why? I still don't understand what benefit it has over existing technologies.

There is no benefit for the 'average' webmaster when it comes
to desktop pc's with browsers.

The benefit of XML will become obvious once you start sharing
your stuff with different platforms.

(for example your XML tgp gallery listing would be shareble
to mobile users, users with a pda, and normal webbrowser
clients without having the need for a seperate data source for each).

XML is a layer between platform specific data(access)sources (databases, php etc etc) and the output/markup language
for the specific browser / client or application. (like the
example above)

DATA sharing over multiple platforms: that's what it's all about.

kenny · 08-28-2002, 08:22 PM

HTML and perl are a good combo, the 'exec cmd' and 'exec cgi' ssi tags can trigger alot. How much does someone actually need?
I dont know though, I never learned PHP, and I am uncertained about this XML. It could very well be the wave of the future

MrPopup · 08-28-2002, 08:23 PM

Okay...with XML and PHP, you could easily script multiple language packs for any website.

Translate your site into 10 different languages with only a .config file to differentiate languages....

Of course, thats a pretty lame use for PHP/XML...but seriously a lot of you motherfuckers need to drop plain ol' HTML and look at something a lil' more dynamic.

kenny · 08-28-2002, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

There is no benefit for the 'average' webmaster when it comes
to desktop pc's with browsers.

The benefit of XML will become obvious once you start sharing
your stuff with different platforms.

(for example your XML tgp gallery listing would be shareble
to mobile users, users with a pda, and normal webbrowser
clients without having the need for a seperate data source for each).

XML is a layer between platform specific data(access)sources (databases, php etc etc) and the output/markup language
for the specific browser / client or application. (like the
example above)

DATA sharing over multiple platforms: that's what it's all about.

Ok I understand now

MikeEP · 08-28-2002, 08:33 PM

Our massive content management system that we finished up a few months ago is done in XML. It's my understanding that's it's completely portable. Not sure what the complete benefits are, but i'll find out. Though i know they're are huge benefits to coding in XML.

Brown Bear · 08-28-2002, 08:34 PM

OK. So far I've learned that XML is apparently useful for sharing your data between different platforms.

But then I think to myself: "when am I going to be providing my data for different platforms?"

It seem to me that unless I plan on creating porn sites for PDAs and mobile phone, I don't have much use for XML.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Brown Bear · 08-28-2002, 08:38 PM

Someone post some examples of sites that use XML

kenny · 08-28-2002, 08:39 PM

The use of wireless mobile internet is on the rise and the technology for it is growing fast. Look at that new sprint phone.
So I have to agree that it will be used more and more often.

MikeEP · 08-28-2002, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear
OK. So far I've learned that XML is apparently useful for sharing your data between different platforms.

But then I think to myself: "when am I going to be providing my data for different platforms?"

It seem to me that unless I plan on creating porn sites for PDAs and mobile phone, I don't have much use for XML.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Beside what you said above, i believe it's also easy to add new techologies to the language to serve. Wether your serving up flash, java, or anything..etc.

I believe the best benefit is the freedom it allows for growth and future innovation of new products and ideas. And that's incredibly important for any company.

I'll ask as I mentioned before, though i probably won't be able to translate the answer i'll get into english.....

mijoon · 08-28-2002, 09:07 PM

I think that people with a programming background tend to preffer object serialization for the tasks xml is usually used for . I certainly do , and have never seen the point of it.

It looks like a xml take over is inevitable though .

spanky · 08-28-2002, 09:07 PM

RDF/RSS feeds are a pretty cool. We publish news to website A as RSS docs. Websites b,c,d,e,f & g just pick up the RSS feed everyday.

sometimes you can get syndicated content (I don't know about adult) in xml/rss/rdf formats. If you published articles as html and sold them they would have the same look and structure as the html that you wrote. If you publish as data like rss/xml instead then the people that syndicate your content have complete control over the display of the data. http://newsisfree.com/syndicate.php is a pretty cool news syndication service I use.

hmmm... applications for adult?

stats. would be cool if affiliate programs made your stats available as an xml feed. would make it super easy to plug a new affiliate program into a stats manager script.

syndicated gallery leases would be cool. that way when you lease gallerries you could just plug them into your site without having to putz around with the html to get it to look right.

MrPopup · 08-28-2002, 09:15 PM

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NetRodent · 08-28-2002, 09:32 PM

If you're looking for examples of uses of XML in the adult industry, check out IBill's Direct Integration. That uses XML to perform many of the reporting and administrative functions of the CMI but through a script friendly interface.

08-28-2002, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent
If you're looking for examples of uses of XML in the adult industry, check out IBill's Direct Integration. That uses XML to perform many of the reporting and administrative functions of the CMI but through a script friendly interface.

Hmm ... if iBill is using it, it can't be good

MiLo · 08-28-2002, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
Hmm ... if iBill is using it, it can't be good

Does it hurts being so right?

word on that.

Lane · 08-28-2002, 10:58 PM

too bad IE6.0 fucks up with CSS

http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

the page looks very normal with mozilla, but not with IE6.0

Jayson · 08-28-2002, 11:16 PM

The great thing about XML is you can define and store any data, pass it on to someone else and they are going to be able to read it to.

There are standards being developed for Financial Statements as an example so all companies report their financials using a predefined set of XML markups.

For the adult industry as an example TGP owners could agree a definition to cover the rules for galleries - then the autosubmitters could automatically read the rules for each site and only submit where the gallery complied.

It would be great for gallery services, so you could provide a range of descriptions and information about the galleries listed and TGP's could format that and use whatever subset of that info they like.

Or sponsors could agree a data set for stats information to make it easy to automatically pull it into one place.

So many possibilities.

08-28-2002, 11:18 PM

True, so many possibilities, so many years til it *might* become a standard.

Jayson · 08-29-2002, 12:00 AM

The problem isnt getting XML a standard so much but getting industry groups to create standardised data sets within XML.

You might as well create something customised where you have data exchange in a one to one or one to many relationship - its where you have many to many relationships needing to share data that it will be most useful.

Lane · 08-29-2002, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
True, so many possibilities, so many years til it *might* become a standard.

believe me it will... it just makes the programmers life easier and let them provide better tools..

even if XML by itself may not become a standard for coding web pages etc. a lot of stuff will be layered on top of it.. you wont see many people using notepad to code their html pages anymore..

but yea, it will take some years..

Fletch XXX · 08-29-2002, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
too bad IE6.0 fucks up with CSS

http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

the page looks very normal with mozilla, but not with IE6.0

yep.

;)

Libertine · 08-29-2002, 12:16 PM

Example of using xml: share galleries with a large number of sites that can all fit those galleries into their own design.

fpanko · 08-29-2002, 01:14 PM

I use xml for everything now. XML is a tag based system and has actually been around longer than html. Html just became more popular because of its ease of use. Xml is designed to hold and describe information. It make it easier for search engines and applications to find the correct content.

ex. when you seqarch the internet now for "black sweaters that cost $9". You will get a list of pages that all have those keywod in it, even if they have nothing to do with what your looking for. With xml you can literly find all the places that sell specificly "black sweaters that cost $9"

Writing xml will also force you to code a page properly, unlike html. Html pages with errors can still be viewed in a browser. They may not appear the same in every browser but they will show up. With xml, it has to beperfect to show up at all. Fortuantly, those of you who can code without a wysiwyg, will be able to pick up xml fairly fast. I was able to pick it up in a weekend with ease.

The problem with xml. It has no images. It can store images as information but isn't capable of displaying them on its oown. For that you need to use CSS, XSD, or just go with xhtml. For most of you, xhtml would be the way to go. Its basicly perfect html. If you can get used to writing xhtml, xml will be a piece of cake later.

Other xml bonuses include the abliity to be easily intigrated with cgi, perl, asp, php, sql, and most other databases. When it comes down to it though, this is simply a way to better catagorize and describe your content.

basicly, xml rocks, there is no need to ever use old html again.

[xml version="1.0"]
[html]
[girls type="gone_wild"]
[img src="some_girl1.jpg" creed="asian" age="19" size="36c" /]
[br /]
[img src="some_girl2.jpg" creed="black" age="22" size="34c" /]
[/girls]
[girls type="sluts"]
[img src="some_girl3.jpg" creed="trailorTrash" age="42" size="30b" /]
[/girls]
[/html]
[/xml]

Jakke PNG · 08-29-2002, 01:25 PM

Code:

<truth>
<facts>
XML blows ass
</facts>
</truth>

Auslander · 08-29-2002, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
<truth>
<facts>
XML blows ass
</facts>
</truth>

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baremuffin · 08-29-2002, 01:26 PM

Woohoo, porn on the cellphones...

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Jakke PNG · 08-29-2002, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

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Blow.... me

Jakke PNG · 08-29-2002, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baremuffin
Woohoo, porn on the cellphones...

M

XML porn? Woo hoo..
I personally see some nice things coming along with MMS

Auslander · 08-29-2002, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Blow.... me

What are you, some kind of fag? You want another guy to suck your dick??? That's fucking sick man!

Jakke PNG · 08-29-2002, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

What are you, some kind of fag? You want another guy to suck your dick??? That's fucking sick man!

Hahahahah!
Fucking sick? You quite sure you're in the right line of work?
If defending XML is your life, whoopie doo.

08-28-2002, 07:50 PM	#1
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	what do you think about XML ? now the language has been out for a while.. programmers are very excited about it.. what is your opinios about it? i would say its coming really strong.. its gonna change many standards out there.. for those of you who dont know, its not simply a web page language like HTML, although it can do anything that HTML can.. its basically a way that programs communicate with eachother (such as web server talking to your browser).. although i'm very new to it, im kinda impatient to learn more about it.. (just dont have much time these days).. what do you guys think? from a web designer point of view and a programmers point of view. Lane __________________

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Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	I would like to read some examples of how XML has been used. I don't really understand what XML is all that useful for. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

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Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	well, for example if you want to make a web page using XML, you define all the tags yourself.. you can use style sheets for that.. and you can name the tags whatever you want.. its similar to html but it is as flexible at it can get... for example one of my friends built an instant messenger and the programs communicates using XML.. it provides a very convinient way for message passing between programs.. __________________

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	The problem with XML is that it has a higher learning curve than html and once you finally know how to implement and use it: it doenst offer anything significant. However.. if you want to be able to do what you are doing now in the near future (where no longer your data will be exclusively approached by PC's using a standard browser and access from and to different platforms is business as usual) these are one of the key technologies you should follow and learn. XML is not about design and layout (and that's what technologies like html, dhtml, flash etc offer) it's about DATA. Last edited by mrthumbs; 08-28-2002 at 08:01 PM..

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Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	So how will XML affect adult websites in the future? I don't see what XML has to offer? What could I do with XML that I can't already do now? __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I dont know anything about XML, what is it some kind of super HTML?

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Bad B0y Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 160	I know that XML is used to interface with many services but up to now I have not find a good use for it. _

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Do all the browsers support it?

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MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	The power of XML lies in the ability to combine it with a scripting technology like PHP. Slowly, but surely, none of you will ever touch a fucking HTML editor. Database, PHP, and XML is the way to go. __________________ <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="1" bgcolor="#008000"><tr><td><font size=3>Gone</font></td></tr></table>

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Swiftone Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 337	XML rocks. For example look at the XML on the amazon affiliate program, instead of writing your own spider to search their site, blah blah blah, to display affiliate code on their page, you can simply use their XML utility and have your script fetch a page with stuff like this... Pretend the 's are < >'s please. ProductNameProduct 1/ProductName* Price$15.40/Price etc.etc. It makes sending data between applications, services and programs very easy which is the main purpose.. I love it! The main advantage it has over existing technologies is that is is a stanard, and extremely easy to understand. Last edited by Swiftone; 08-28-2002 at 08:24 PM..

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	HTML and perl are a good combo, the 'exec cmd' and 'exec cgi' ssi tags can trigger alot. How much does someone actually need? I dont know though, I never learned PHP, and I am uncertained about this XML. It could very well be the wave of the future

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MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	Okay...with XML and PHP, you could easily script multiple language packs for any website. Translate your site into 10 different languages with only a .config file to differentiate languages.... Of course, thats a pretty lame use for PHP/XML...but seriously a lot of you motherfuckers need to drop plain ol' HTML and look at something a lil' more dynamic. __________________ <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="1" bgcolor="#008000"><tr><td><font size=3>Gone</font></td></tr></table>

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MikeEP Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 464	Our massive content management system that we finished up a few months ago is done in XML. It's my understanding that's it's completely portable. Not sure what the complete benefits are, but i'll find out. Though i know they're are huge benefits to coding in XML. Last edited by MikeEP; 08-28-2002 at 08:34 PM..

08-28-2002, 08:34 PM	#18
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	OK. So far I've learned that XML is apparently useful for sharing your data between different platforms. But then I think to myself: "when am I going to be providing my data for different platforms?" It seem to me that unless I plan on creating porn sites for PDAs and mobile phone, I don't have much use for XML. Please correct me if I'm wrong. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

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Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Someone post some examples of sites that use XML __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	The use of wireless mobile internet is on the rise and the technology for it is growing fast. Look at that new sprint phone. So I have to agree that it will be used more and more often.

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mijoon Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 610	I think that people with a programming background tend to preffer object serialization for the tasks xml is usually used for . I certainly do , and have never seen the point of it. It looks like a xml take over is inevitable though . __________________

08-28-2002, 09:07 PM	#23
spanky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 231	RDF/RSS feeds are a pretty cool. We publish news to website A as RSS docs. Websites b,c,d,e,f & g just pick up the RSS feed everyday. sometimes you can get syndicated content (I don't know about adult) in xml/rss/rdf formats. If you published articles as html and sold them they would have the same look and structure as the html that you wrote. If you publish as data like rss/xml instead then the people that syndicate your content have complete control over the display of the data. http://newsisfree.com/syndicate.php is a pretty cool news syndication service I use. hmmm... applications for adult? stats. would be cool if affiliate programs made your stats available as an xml feed. would make it super easy to plug a new affiliate program into a stats manager script. syndicated gallery leases would be cool. that way when you lease gallerries you could just plug them into your site without having to putz around with the html to get it to look right.

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NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	If you're looking for examples of uses of XML in the adult industry, check out IBill's Direct Integration. That uses XML to perform many of the reporting and administrative functions of the CMI but through a script friendly interface.

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Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	too bad IE6.0 fucks up with CSS http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ the page looks very normal with mozilla, but not with IE6.0 __________________

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Jayson Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: CZ Posts: 554	The great thing about XML is you can define and store any data, pass it on to someone else and they are going to be able to read it to. There are standards being developed for Financial Statements as an example so all companies report their financials using a predefined set of XML markups. For the adult industry as an example TGP owners could agree a definition to cover the rules for galleries - then the autosubmitters could automatically read the rules for each site and only submit where the gallery complied. It would be great for gallery services, so you could provide a range of descriptions and information about the galleries listed and TGP's could format that and use whatever subset of that info they like. Or sponsors could agree a data set for stats information to make it easy to automatically pull it into one place. So many possibilities. __________________ Sapphic Cash - We Do It Right

08-28-2002, 11:18 PM	#30
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	True, so many possibilities, so many years til it might become a standard.

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Jayson Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: CZ Posts: 554	The problem isnt getting XML a standard so much but getting industry groups to create standardised data sets within XML. You might as well create something customised where you have data exchange in a one to one or one to many relationship - its where you have many to many relationships needing to share data that it will be most useful. __________________ Sapphic Cash - We Do It Right

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Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Example of using xml: share galleries with a large number of sites that can all fit those galleries into their own design. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

08-29-2002, 01:14 PM	#35
fpanko Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I get around. Posts: 53	I use xml for everything now. XML is a tag based system and has actually been around longer than html. Html just became more popular because of its ease of use. Xml is designed to hold and describe information. It make it easier for search engines and applications to find the correct content. ex. when you seqarch the internet now for "black sweaters that cost $9". You will get a list of pages that all have those keywod in it, even if they have nothing to do with what your looking for. With xml you can literly find all the places that sell specificly "black sweaters that cost $9" Writing xml will also force you to code a page properly, unlike html. Html pages with errors can still be viewed in a browser. They may not appear the same in every browser but they will show up. With xml, it has to beperfect to show up at all. Fortuantly, those of you who can code without a wysiwyg, will be able to pick up xml fairly fast. I was able to pick it up in a weekend with ease. The problem with xml. It has no images. It can store images as information but isn't capable of displaying them on its oown. For that you need to use CSS, XSD, or just go with xhtml. For most of you, xhtml would be the way to go. Its basicly perfect html. If you can get used to writing xhtml, xml will be a piece of cake later. Other xml bonuses include the abliity to be easily intigrated with cgi, perl, asp, php, sql, and most other databases. When it comes down to it though, this is simply a way to better catagorize and describe your content. basicly, xml rocks, there is no need to ever use old html again. [xml version="1.0"] [html] [girls type="gone_wild"] [img src="some_girl1.jpg" creed="asian" age="19" size="36c" /] [br /] [img src="some_girl2.jpg" creed="black" age="22" size="34c" /] [/girls] [girls type="sluts"] [img src="some_girl3.jpg" creed="trailorTrash" age="42" size="30b" /] [/girls] [/html] [/xml] __________________ www.hotmovies.com

08-29-2002, 01:25 PM	#36
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baremuffin Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 54	Woohoo, porn on the cellphones... M __________________ Does not play well with others...