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Old 06-14-2007, 06:54 PM   #101
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:57 PM   #102
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We have no reason to believe HEAT is the same person that scammed one eight
this is the pertinent post here people... please keep in mind that Michael obviously has access to the IP records of people logging into epassporte accounts.

one eight, i don't blame HEAT for a second not wanting to post his epassporte number here in public view, i wouldn't either. you called him out here for the first time, after totally believing someone w/out any evidence stating they were someone on icq of all places... if you had thought this stuff through a thread would have been created *before* the fact where whoever you were chatting w/ could post here and prove he is HEAT.

all of your proof seems nothing more than accusations and innuendo, and you don't really seem interested in addressing the known veracity of your 'middleman' either. ice did the right thing forcing you to change your sig, we are all about having actual proof posted here..
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:58 PM   #103
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:18 PM   #104
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this is the pertinent post here people... please keep in mind that Michael obviously has access to the IP records of people logging into epassporte accounts.
I have no idea what ip or other info epass has acesss to, or how they treat such information.

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one eight, i don't blame HEAT for a second not wanting to post his epassporte number here in public view, i wouldn't either. you called him out here for the first time, after totally believing someone w/out any evidence stating they were someone on icq of all places... if you had thought this stuff through a thread would have been created *before* the fact where whoever you were chatting w/ could post here and prove he is HEAT.
Agreed- i didn't take as much precaution as possible. And i take full repsonsability for that. But i DO blame heat for not cooperating. He didn't have to post. Could have icq'd the information or contacted epass. Instead he chose to lie, right off the bat and continually.. about his icq and epass info.

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all of your proof seems nothing more than accusations and innuendo, and you don't really seem interested in addressing the known veracity of your 'middleman' either. ice did the right thing forcing you to change your sig, we are all about having actual proof posted here..
My problem is i can't address the known veracity of the middleman.. except to say that i spoke on icq long before posting. And Kandah wrote a complaint on my behalf (i couldn't since i didn't send the epass) which was accepted by Keyser. Does that exonerate him? You decide. I understand about proof and changed my sig immediately. But not my mind. You just have to look at the words/actions of the accused. Here's more innuendo- Innocent people act innocent. Guilty people act guilty. And that's as far as i can take this.
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:17 PM   #105
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I understand and respect your position.. but there's no way that's what happened here. No way.

All i have to go on is icq and epass. When questioned about both, the accused user lied about both. Note that he at some point tries to deny his icq nick and later gives a false epass account. Liar=scammer. Scammer=liar.

Note in our icq conversations that i answer every single question of his with 100% honesty. Why? Simple, i'm here to do business and wanted to get to the bottom of this. In this way, i establish credibility. He does the opposite.

I can't tell you how exactly this was layed out, and i wouldn't want to provide a how-to-committ-the-perfect-gfy-crime anyways.. but I'll tell you this. They are networked. And it takes a few icqs/epass acct's to make it all happen.

Note also that the VERY FIRST POST requested that he simply give his epass acct info. to receive a payment, so as to be exonerated completely. He refused to do so for hours (...while working on another epass acct to submit?) and only then was all for the idea.

Bottom line- I'm not the FBI and don't have access to epass records.. there is no way i or anyone could definitely confirm anything. Nor could we definitively confirm that pigs don't fly and Tranza's not a sig whore millionaire. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck.. duck. Get a rope.
Um, just so you know, a bunch of people lately have been defrauded here in a similar way you were. Somebody watching this board makes up a new icq using the same name as the seller and lures the prospective buyer into sending them money. I don't have time to search for all of the threads, but there's been similar victims as you. The last thing any scammer is going to do is show his presence here after a scam,
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