I brought this up at the very first convention I attended in Vegas 2000. In 2001 adult related Internet sales accounted for 53% of all Internet transactions. Why don't have a group of people working to protect our interests?

I'd gladly put my free time into such an effort. Anyone else?

I would completely do it as well.

Good let them go after the cc companys

Bout fucking time.. You run CP your and process with any of the above, you ought be shut down..

This should of happened a long time ago

These billing companys make mad $$$ of cp and nude sites, ccbill is a HAVEN for CP websites, goto any CP website and you can bet they process with CCBILL or IBILL.

Hit them were it hurts, there pockets...

And to hell with the innocent bystanders? This is fucked. If you can't see how this is a bad thing, you're fucking thick.

innocent bystanders??

WTF do you mean innocent

IF there innocent they have NOTHING to worry about..

What CP site do you run?

Frank Bongiorno doesn't run a CP site.

But he still got turned off.

He has model releases to prove it.

Re: Webmasters' Union

There is something called MediaAlliance which is run out of San Francisco (I believe) that offers the closest thing I've seen to a 'union' that accepts independent webmasters. 'Online design' is a covered category of employment. If you can prove (1099, W2 or Schedule C) you've made $5000, you qualify. There are dues, and different benefit levels based on what you pay (you can get insurance, use a credit union, etc.) and they consider themselves 'socially conscious' and anticensorship. They've got a site you can check this stuff out on at
http://www.media-alliance.org/

They're anti-censorship (they're upset about ClearChannel buying newsstands or something in SanFran and 'controlling' the media) so maybe they've got something or someone that can help with this stuff.

Take care,
Michelle

Are you insane or just joking?

There is no such thing as innocent or not when it comes to adult prosecutions. Are you aware of how much time Larry Flynt has spent in jail? Are you aware of how much money Larry has spent defending himself? Are you aware that he was shot by some right wing asshole? Innocent has nothing to do with it when it comes to prosecutions of people selling adult content. These people want blood, they don't care who's innocent or guilty.

Are you telling me Frank B has nothing to worry about? His processing was pulled with absolutely no notice. His name has been dragged through the mud, and a bunch of ignorant fuckwits probably think he peddles CP now. I think he has a lot to worry abot.

It's called defermation of character. He, and every other innocent webmaster in this fiasco should sue. These claims are totally unsubstantiated. Read the whole article, you fuckin' gimp.

Interesting.

greentea you are a moron.

We have to think beyond this. It doesn't take a genius to point out that child porn is a Federal Offense. Even the accusation of it. The FBI are sure to follow this. Have you considered what will happen if the Feds put a restraining order on the parties named in the suit? Let me give you a hint. We won't be getting paid!

:mad:

KK only morons work for SIC..

Only a MORON like you would sell out fellow webmasters to MCDOANLDS to save her own ass.. That dont say much about you..

KK how much money did and still does CCBILL make off CP?

give us some numbers, you should know from working there

How many of them accounts did you open or look the other way?
hmmm

CCBILL is haven for child porn webmasters, Oh yea they have been working with "FBI" all these years blah blah

what a joke

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What ibill is doing to innocent people i DO NOT AGREE WITH
People that are not doing anything wrong should not be turned off..

Frank Bongiorno if he not doing anything wrong, and WE dont know all the facts, then he should not have been turned off..

Only thing im saying is, Its about time CCBILL and the others stop processing the CP and all borderline CP sites.. That's all..

For the honest joe that will get fucked over by this, its a shame..
If people are keeping records and have model releases etc then there should not be a problem.. These billing comapanys really need to look at the fucking laws again, rather then just shutting ANYONE down.

"If people are keeping records and have model releases etc then there should not be a problem"

he does - that's why there is a problem. ibill has pulled his account without even requesting proof.

I know Frankie personally, he is not involved in anything
illegal. He is a Professional Producer, in fact.. he shoots
for Husler's Barely Legal Series.

Read the other thread that I started..

Serious Shit, No joke!

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

This can happen to any of us, ...

yeah, i mentioned that on page 1 of this thread. let's keep the topic to a single thread - there's no reason to have 2 going.

I think Frankie got fucked pretty good, I dont think what they did to him was right at all, is there any news that they will turn him back on?

It sucks unfortuantly when your going after SCUM, some innocent people are going to get fucked..

If the people who get turned off by this are legit, then they dam have every right to sue etc etc

Ibills compliance DEPT really needs to look at all the laws regarding online porn rather then just killing accounts for no reason. Honestly i thought ibill was smarter then this, guess i was wrong.

and the day after all of this goes down, the ibill cmi is completely tanked:

edit: back up now

And what laws regarding online porn would you be referring to?

18 U.S.C. 2257: The Federal Adult Disclosure and Labeling law;

The Obscenity laws; (Both State and Federal)

The D.M.C.A. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (If you intend to have pictures and video's on your site;

The regular copyright laws;

Licensing laws;

Federal Cyber-squatting Act;

Trademark laws;

Laws of Publicity and Entertainment law;

A host of state regulations and laws.

Sorry, the keyword was online . . . :)

If you want to apply all of that - especially the local/state obscenity laws - you just put the entire adult industry out of business.

I REALLY think this is not a matter of law. It is a matter of not 'if' but when visa and mastercard simply pull the plug. This is not a good sign, it is simply a precursor of something much bigger, and far more devastating to come.

greentea you are a dumbass moron.

You have no clue what you are talking about, no clue who or what companies are involved in this Michigan case and are simply spouting off at the mouth over something you know nothing about at all.

That pretty much sums it up.

Here is a decent link outlining what a small % of total transactions e-commerce accounts for as a whole to credit card companies.

http://www.epaynews.com/statistics/transactions.html

point is that the sum of all electronic transactions is a very small piece of the visa and mastercard pie. And the adult industry is even a smaller piece and probably the highest risk.

draw your own conclusions

Wow.. the AG is a Democrat.. who would have thought that?

First of all i was commenting ON COMPANYS that process for CP.

Oh wow KK thats a lot coming from a fucking moron who rats out other webmasters to save HER own ass..


Try holding down a fucking job for more then 6 months..

your track record speaks for itself.

Once again you open your big fat moron mouth and more blithering drivel that's not even halfway towards right falls out of it.

Go smoke a fattie, sit on your couch and watch big brother or something, God knows you aren't capable of anything requiring intelligent thought.

To all of you who are suggesting a trade union specifically for the adult online community - www.i-freedom.org. I'm not sure why no one ever mentioned it.

Remember this thread? Guess who got elected governer....that's right Jennifer Granholm...let's see if she continues against legitimate sites some more.