No reason to worry i'm still onboard :thumbsup

The *fact* that a 'revolution' might highly improve conversions is being ignored. Why should anyone listen at all ? Think about it. You don't want to fuck with something that works for you. And you can't convince others of your ideas when their work for them.

:)

in other words keep your bright money making ideas to yurself or a select few..:thumbsup

lol, exactly !:winkwink:

pornjester -

gay or not, i love your idea and its golden. im definitely going to offer my affiliates something like that after i release more sites. also going to build my own tgp network along the lines of that since bigger ones probably wont accept nude ones. fuck what everyone else thinks, its an awesome idea and it will definitely give better ratios and conversion rates. right on!

Heres some points most people fail to realise...

1. It all comes back to the Sponsorship programs. If NOBODY accepted TGP traffic, all TGP's would close the doors, and people would start hitting the search engines for porn again. People would be scrambling for their credit cards to sign up for memberships. Won't ever happen, its not an ideal world.

Though, my program does not allow TGP traffic. And Neither will www.naughtyandlive.com, which is now paying $25 per free trial, by the way. The way I see it, TGP webmasters can keep their cheapskate traffic.

2. TGP Owners run a monopoly, and screw the real adult webmasters, and program owners. They have 1000s of foreign and ethnic webmasters submitting galleries filled with stolen content, all of which they cannot get taken to court over. They put in stringent policies and rules, including in most cases recip links, where the whole process is geared to make submitters work for them and line their own pockets. Why do TGP submitters want to work for someone else, for virtually nothing?

Because in most cases, the TGP laborers live in third world countries, where they only need to earn one signup a month to make a decent living.


It all comes back to the sponsors, programs, affiliates. Just say NO to TGP traffic if you would like to see a long term future for your business.

I hope this doesnt effect my Elite lifestyle. I would hate to have to layoff the staff or have to drive a year old vehicle, I'll have nightmares about this.


shemp

Dude, what exaclty are you on ? :eek7

Some of the ideas here are a bit more cut-throat than others. I'm not trying to suggest that we try and put TGP out of business. I believe that TGPs at conception was a great marketing idea. A way for people to pool their resources together in order to make money for everyone. But some people seemed to have forgotten the whole marketing concept behind it, and many of the new TGPs may have never known what it was in the first place. The point of TGP was to whet the appetite of the surfer in order to encourage him to signup for a paysite. Now adays it seems the purpose of a TGP is to sell traffic to someone who thinks his stuff converts better than the guy before him. The gallery makers are the ones getting the shit end of the stick, are these our industry's version of migrant workers?

Also content providers, why do you want your content plastered all over ever TGP from NY to Hong Kong? I would think a model's content would be worth more if everyone hasn't already seen her goods from every angle imaginable. Maybe it's time for more strict licenses.

Everyone is thinking about next months rent check, or can I finance that new car soon? Maybe more of you should be thinking long term. Where will you be in five years with maybe a college degree and a resume full of porn references, better start looking for a good internship.

But what more can you expect from an industry full of people who were hooked on the idea of 'get rich quick'.

They'd get rich quicker following the ideas brought up in this thread. :2 cents:

Slowly I'm starting to believe that The Leader is responsible for this dilemma...:disgust

I always thought that the TGP owners made galleries and posted them on each others sites. This migrant worker concept of yours may have some merit though, Ive got to think about this...

shemp

Then should I propose the question: Where are we being led?

I've got a few Cubans fresh off the raft with some potential.. hit me up on ICQ :winkwink:

Ya, ive got a bunch of beatup old laptops they can use.
Lets see, Free content, free bandwidth, free submit software, free thumbnail software, free advice from the Boards,
I think you can even get free premade galleries now, could be the Gravy Train.

shemp

One of my Galleries was just turned down.
Explanation- Not enough nudity, submit again after showing more skin- DUH
So much for me trying the teaser stuff.

Now you'll be blacklisted for taking that news to the Boards.

shemp

Justice !!!

Amen!

one hundred

Edit: 101

quiet, you fucking prick - I'll whoop your ass !

If you think you can create collusion with a GFY post you might as well give up right now.

sounds like richard's realm. i haven't done galleries for a while so i wasn't aware that they still sent those out.

:1orglaugh

i wonder how many of the tgp owners with their 200k per day of shit traffic are also traffic brokers, and sell it for $3.50 per 1000 hits *cough* adbuytraffic *cough*

I agree with the 'softer' core concept... not that I'm anybody or anything. I remember thinking that a gallery with five linked 'softer' thumbs and five unlinked 'harder' thumbs would be a good sales tool. I also sort of agree with the 'editing' out of the explicit stuff, except it'd be a pain in the ass...

I've used the Suze Randall Pics 4 Clicks program for a couple of years now, and they have a clause in their license that forbids use of 'explicit' photos outside of an avs or membership 'protected' area. One of my clients is a photographer/videographer and he wants the same type of clause in his license, not 'just' because of how the overexposure devalues the content, but for legal reasons, too.

There are many levels that can control the freebie-monster; I think the content providers themselves should consider tightening up their licensing to limit exposure of hardcore materials outside a 'prepaid' environment (avs, membership, ppv, etc.). If the producers won't ALLOW their best or most explicit material to be gangbanged by every TGP on the planet by contract, then it would almost *have* to have some overall effect, wouldn't it? Even the most established TGP can only work with what's out there, and if licenses remove the good stuff from their submission databases, they'll just have to make do with what's there, as will their surfers.

Just my ill-informed, uneducated 2 cents...

M

absofuckinglutelyright !!!!!!!!!


:winkwink:

you guys are blind
80% of the tgps uses dialers as main sponsors
ban dialers and tons of tgps will go up in smoke

Add mine, submitted a while ago :-(

Ignore the tgp's that demand the unreasonable. They will eventually die cause the attract to many free wackers. Stick with the sensible, they will convert better while the dinosaours wanna be tgp paysites go extinct. Chose a sound longtermstrategy . Consider the the small mammals 65 millions years ago.....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SleazyDream
[B]


Fact #2 - TGP evolves EVERY day.

Sleazy posted the secret to tgp success. His site is an example of this. He found a niche and was the first to plug it. And he constantly changes his site to meet the market as it evolves. Not kissing his ass at all, just pointing out the obvious.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Choker
[B]
what niche was he the first to plug?

The hardcore gallery with a matching erotic story to it

those have been around for quite a while Choker.

Hmmm... I guess I am the last guy to read this post. Some interesting points raised by Jester and Sleazy.

I think we all agree that there is too much free porn on the internet. But lets take a look at the people that are buying memberships from our sponsors. Who is our target market? Is it some guy that just got on the internet yesterday and is just dying to look at all the porn he can? Is it some bookmarked surfer of JJJ's and finally decided he found a site that fits his specific sexual desire (niche)? Is it some educated surfer that has been on the internet for years? I think our target market is all of these people, because believe it or not people we are getting signups from all of these surfers.

It is almost impossible to imagine what is going on in the heads of these surfers. There is no feedback form that we can send to them to ask them questions on why they felt they wanted to sign up and how long they have been on the internet and what their demographic and sociological situation is. All we can do is sit back and look at our stats... Where did the surfer come from (which TGP) which gallery sold him on the membership. Did they buy a trial? How long did they recur. Unfortunately we can't get into the surfer's mind and figure out what made him sign up. If we could I think we would all be millionaires right now...

I think the one quote that made me make sense of all of this TGP nonsense was said by Larry Flynt in a webradio interview. "There will always be a marketplace for people who deliver quality."

I honestly think that if you make quality galleries and send that traffic to a quality sponsor program. You will always make money.

DH

who the fuck do you think you are making intelligent posts on this thread.

I say mass DDOS the TGP's :1orglaugh
muahahahahahahahahaha

format tgp:

hahaha

:1orglaugh thats the truth