The TGP Conversion Dilemma - GoFuckYourself.com

pornJester · 08-28-2002, 07:23 AM

Fact 1: There is way to much FREE porn offered to surfers.

Fact 2: People have tried to revamp the TGP concept, hence TGP2... not such a great success.

Fact 3: TGP as we know it today - structure wise - isn't going anywhere fast.

With TGPs popping up faster than Clinton's cock in a room full of interns, it's nearly impossible to say TGP is going to die out anytime soon, if ever. But the problem still remains that there is way too much free porn available through TGPs. I believe that the solution lies within the gallery makers. Those of us who make galleries would like higher conversions, but as time passes the value of the TGP click lessens. Everyone it seems is trying to out-do everyone else when it comes to galleries, trying to offer more hardcore pics, more graphic content, etc. I propose that this is the reason that TGP traffic has deteriorated to the point it's at now. Put yourselves in the shoes of the surfer for a moment. You head to your favorite TGP, there, right in front of you are hundreds of galleries covering most every niche you could want, all free. You go from gallery to gallery, tons of hardcore pics flash in front of you. Why the fuck would you ever need a credit card, unless you are some porn feign who can't get enough. But the average surfer is not a porn feign, the average surfer can get his fix from a TGP in 15 min and go on with the rest of his day. What I propose is that we stop giving the surfer so much free hardcore content. Not less pics, just less graphic pics. Say you have a 20 pic gallery... make the first 17 pics non-nude teasing and let the last three pics show a little something. This works great for single girls (amateur, teen)... and in the case of a hardcore set you can have most of the pics being the undressing part, pull off the shirt, undoing the pants, etc... and have the last couple pics show something that the surfer wants to see. 3 nude pics isn't shit, the surfer wants more, so he'll be more inclined to click further.. TEASE THEM FOR CRISSAKES. Some people try and offer small pics, low res pics, this approach is crap.. you don't want the surfer to think that all the pics he'll be paying for will also be small and low res, give him the high quality stuff up front, just not all the graphic content. If every gallery on a TGP, whether it has 14 pics, or 25 offers only 2-4 nudity pics, guaranteed you will see your click-through and conversion ratios rise. If the surfer is determined not to pay, at least make him work for his fuck'n free pics. Make him have to click through 30-40 galleries to get enough porn to satisfy him, not 5-6 galleries. You may say, well this is what we tried with TGP 2, less pics... I don't believe the key is Less Pics, I believe it's less graphic pics. The teasing pics that lead up to the nudity and hardcore acts are whetting the appetite of the surfer, putting him in the right state of mind to want to view more of THAT content.

Most content providers include enough non-nude teasing pics in the beginning of a set to suffice for a gallery, and if there aren't enough use two different sets or switch who you get content from. Paysite owners who give free content should commission more teasing content from their exclusive shoots, and offer more of it to their affiliates and encourage them to use it (not all that old shitty 1989 porn that many sponsors offer).

Ok, so everyone probably won't follow suit with this plan, who gives a fuck... Those who do will see their conversions and click-throughs rise and the others will still experience similar shitty ratios.

Imagine what I propose for a moment as if it was reality. The number of free graphic porn pics reduced by approximately 75% ...this may sound corny, but it's a fuck'n beautiful idea...

Libertine · 08-28-2002, 07:31 AM

As a TGP owner, I completely agree. There is way too much hardcore being given away. The preview has reached the stage where it almost equals the goods being sold, and obviously, that hurts sales. Not just for gallery builders, but also for TGP webmasters.
Another thing I find weird is the "no pics on html pages"-rule. It almost seems like people want to expose the surfer to as little advertising as possible.

chodadog · 08-28-2002, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester
With TGPs popping up faster than Clinton's cock in a room full of interns

You wrote that entire thing, just so you could use that line

Nah, but really.. I agree with you.

NoCarrier · 08-28-2002, 07:34 AM

Good luck getting your galleries accepted with non-nude or semi-nude pictures. I know what you mean, but this has been discussed a thousand times. We all know there is a problem. The only problem here are the newbies that think they can become millionnaire in a week. Then they realise it's harder than expected, and rush into tgp suicide. 50, 100 or even 200 hardcore pictures in a gallery.

Then they realise it's a shitty industry and leave.. then there is another one..

It's like telemarketing. There will always be a fool that think it's really easy to sell. There is an unlimited supply of newbies. TGP's love it

chodadog · 08-28-2002, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
It's like telemarketing. There will always be a fool that think it's really easy to sell. There is an unlimited supply of newbies. TGP's love it

I did telemarketing.. for 3 fucking days. Worst job of all time. It's not so much that it's hard to sell the bullshit, it's just a demeaning soul sucking whore of a job.

Me and a mate both worked there.. All we did was try and make the other laugh during calls, to make things interesting. Yelling "SCAM!!" down the phone line worked wonders. The only good thing about that job was all the free tea we could drink. Mmmm... tea...

DrewKole · 08-28-2002, 07:41 AM

Someone comes up with a new revision of that idea every week, and wants to do something about it.

Unless you give the best blowjobs in the world, and most of the tgp owners are gay, it's not gonna happen.

pornJester · 08-28-2002, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrewKole
Someone comes up with a new revision of that idea every week, and wants to do something about it.

Unless you give the best blowjobs in the world, and most of the tgp owners are gay, it's not gonna happen.

This idea is not directed at TGP owners, it is directed at TGP gallery makers, sponsors that offer free content to their affiliates, and somewhat at content providers. But if TGP owners wanted to increase the quality of their traffic, then maybe they would encourage their submitters to consider such a format.

chodadog · 08-28-2002, 07:54 AM

A fair bit of the content floating around on TGP's is free content, isn't it? I'm not sure how much, i don't really have numbers to back that up. But i'm pretty sure it's a safe assumption. I agree with PJ. If sponsors were to lower the hardcore content, and increase the tease factor of their free content, it could help..

nocostporn · 08-28-2002, 08:24 AM

Yeah it's been said a thousand times BUT this is the best solution to the problem... Free porn is here to stay but the free porn out is better than most paysite material!! If some of these two-bit gallery makers knew what it takes to have a succesful paysite they wouldnt be giving away EVERYTHING... The big tgp's should get together and follow this,I doubt their bookmarks would decrease if they do it pacefully over a few weeks,adding less and less hardcore

Perfect idea but nobody has the weight to say make a change and have people follow

cafeaulait · 08-28-2002, 08:36 AM

No-one is ever going to jump first though, why would someone offer a softcore TGP when eveyone else is offering the moon on a stick? Even if all the TGP's miraculously went softcore at the same time some fucker would come straight along with hardcore one and steal all the traffic.

Don't get me wrong I completely agree with what you are saying and would love to it to happen, I just can't see it.

nocostporn · 08-28-2002, 08:43 AM

bookmarkers wouldn't just leave... The content on the hun sucks ass but people go there because they know its clean... Just because you have a hardcore tgp doesnt mean people are going to jump on... How many people here have hardcore tgps? wheres your traffic? lol

RMG · 08-28-2002, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by cafeaulait
No-one is ever going to jump first though, why would someone offer a softcore TGP when eveyone else is offering the moon on a stick? Even if all the TGP's miraculously went softcore at the same time some fucker would come straight along with hardcore one and steal all the traffic.

Don't get me wrong I completely agree with what you are saying and would love to it to happen, I just can't see it.

heh, I really...really don't like your sig.

nocostporn · 08-28-2002, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by RMG

heh, I really...really don't like your sig.

you should take a peek at yours my friend

Terenzo · 08-28-2002, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

you should take a peek at yours my friend

hehehe... this thread should prevent from free porn and now there will be found 10 new ones submitting.....

cafeaulait · 08-28-2002, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by RMG

heh, I really...really don't like your sig.

At least its within the rules - "3 lines of text" , fuckwad!

Fletch XXX · 08-28-2002, 10:03 AM

I dont submit galleries to tgps nor trade traffic with them.

;)

Jester: thatGAyAw rocks man.

TDF · 08-28-2002, 10:04 AM

more thong less pink..it leaves more to the imagination..and conversions are up...yippie..

ADL Colin · 08-28-2002, 10:04 AM

With TGPs popping up faster than Clinton's cock in a room full of interns

You wrote that entire thing, just so you could use that line

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And it's a fucking beauty!

-=HOAX=- · 08-28-2002, 10:06 AM

I haven't read the entirety of this thread yet but if its along the lines I think it is here's an article I wrote a while ago...

AVS and TGP...Two Great Tastes, That Taste Great TOGETHER!
Posted on Sunday, April 07 @ 10:41:17 EDT by mogul

Hoax writes: "Seems that nowadays there is a lot of people flocking to many of the hot topics in the adult world. To the veteran, TGP and AVS sites are old news. But recently there has been a tremendous surge of people flocking to both.

TGP's can be a great way to get some base traffic going on free content. They are fun and exciting, at the start, and a few days of hard work can see immediate returns in the way of traffic. Adding a touch of personality, some personal anecdotes, and some small personalized features can keep surfers coming back and get you a loyal following of bookmarker's. The downside of being a TGP owner is the fact that the time and effort required can soon become tedious and stale. Compound that with notoriously low conversion rates, and you'll find yourself moving on to something else, as your TGP rots away listlessly giving away free porn to the 5,000 or so unique visitors a day.

AVS sites, you too can see direct sales to a pseudo paysite all your own! There are many different strategies and to some it can be a bit boggling with all its options, rules, and choices. Many a webmaster has painstaking toiled over a tour and members area...lovingly arranged the content, and begun the arduous task of pumping traffic to your new baby. Here is the point where many webmasters can see there time spent in preparation dwindle away to a waste, many avs services can fail to produce the traffic numbers one had hoped for. And unless you have pre-existing traffic or a plethora of avs sites, gateways, and portals, chances are you've got yet another only mildly successful site on your hands.

Between the market saturation in both areas, and the increasingly high number of webmasters exploiting both these areas many in our industry are falling short of their goals and not making the money the might have expected. Sitting discouraged at the keyboard wracking your brain for an answer can be a common predicament.

Well here is a possible answer to those webmaster blues. Take that tgp from its darkened corner of cyberspace and breathe some fresh life into it...reestablish those forgotten link trades, get those submissions flowing again, insert some new humor and news...then take those members areas that never saw much light and toss it on your TGP as a "Member's Area". Put a Full Page Ad in front of the daily listings and talk up the member's options...I blamed the gov't personally, "Due to the stricter laws governing the world of porn, I'm no longer willing to risk jail time in order to bring you free hardcore porn...But by verifying your age with this Age verification System, you'll gain access to blah blah blah"

For me combining the traffic of a tgp and the easy sell of an AVS seemed a natural choice. Not only will you be contributing to stemming the tide of free porn on the net, you be cleaning up your traffic. You'll see as you member's grow opportunities to upsell them on different programs...chat upgrades, paysite trials, or even with the AVS system you currently promote.
I am amazed as to the fact that a productive practice like this is rarely if ever employed by tgp owners. Think of the huge archives so many are amassing that make them only mild returns. Think of the pre-qualified traffic trading that could be achieved between two similarly setup TGP's. There are really too many new options and ideas in this area to list them all, not to mention the fact that many of those Ideas could be coming from YOU!

In closing I'd just like to say that this is NOT a new idea...though I may fool myself into thinking I came up with it...I didn't. But I think you be hard pressed to find another webmasters who's employed the strategy to the degree and effectiveness that I have. My name is HOAX and I run http://www.tomkat.com . For a glimpse at how I have done the things I just discussed, head on over there and check it out! I'm currently looking for more webmaster's who've done something similar to trade secrets and traffic with. Heck, I'm looking for people with the motivation and desire to make MORE money with their TGP/AVS traffic. I'm more than willing to teach and help anyone interested...

So contact me and ask me some questions, tell a friend about this article! Tell the wonderful people at AVSBIZ.com that you'd like to see more articles from HOAX.

Or sit there and do nothing...and while your at it pick up the help wanted section of your local paper, you're gonna need it.

azRCF · 08-28-2002, 10:07 AM

I don't know dick about running a TGP but maybe if you did'nt update daily the surfers would break out the plastic more often.
Maybe do updates like once a week. The surfers would get tired of waiting for new updates and decide to join a site. Just a thought... But I guess that would'nt be such a good idea to the daily submitter and you would have a massive gallery backlog very build up very quickly...

RMG · 08-28-2002, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by cafeaulait

At least its within the rules - "3 lines of text" , fuckwad!

Touche! Guess I should re-read the rules.
You're black background is eye catching.

J.R. · 08-28-2002, 10:22 AM

Even the best traffic TGP's are getting bad.

Hun & Sublime send traffic, no sales like a year ago.
The market in general is saturated...

jpv · 08-28-2002, 10:22 AM

TGPs should not list hardcore galleries on their main page. They should have text next to the description or thumb "Hardcore! Must be 18!" and send them to a preview page for their 'V.I.P.' section that has all their hardcore galleries. This V.I.P. section should be behind an AVS. The loyalty you get from this is amazing. I run a simular setup and it is doing well. It creates another way to make money from the surfer without giving the surfer up. Then you have another page getting bookmarks of higher quality traffic you can upsell.

The key to this whole setup is not to let any hardcore galleries. Candylist and a few other tgps use AVS's this way but they could do better if they stopped listing hardcore for free and give the user the impression they have to use an AVS to see it. Bookmarks do not drop that much. Alot of them simply bookmark the V.I.P. section.

For tgp owners who currently list hardcore but want to switch to this use an explanation like this: "I have realized many minors are seeing the hardcore galleries I have been listing. Now I am protecting my hardcore galleries from minors using this FREE Adult Verification Service..."

Slowly convert to this. It works well. I am surprised tgp owners have not been using somrthing simular to this. I guess they like to watch their counter go up instead of their profits?

nocostporn · 08-28-2002, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by azRCF
I don't know dick about running a TGP but maybe if you did'nt update daily the surfers would break out the plastic more often.
Maybe do updates like once a week. The surfers would get tired of waiting for new updates and decide to join a site. Just a thought... But I guess that would'nt be such a good idea to the daily submitter and you would have a massive gallery backlog very build up very quickly...

pretty good idea you have there

jpv · 08-28-2002, 10:28 AM

You beat me to it hoax

-=HOAX=- · 08-28-2002, 10:31 AM

To what? Posting my article? Or meshing avs and tgp? Who cares who thought of it first. I'm sure I didn't...lets just do it...not only do the owners make cash, but the submitters do too....

eru · 08-28-2002, 10:49 AM

long live softcore!

cgiGeek · 08-28-2002, 10:50 AM

But if not all TGPs do the private hardcore part,
then the ones that do not do it would have an advantaage
in traffick.
I for one do not think the TGP worl d is that big,
so it could be done.

B.

nocostporn · 08-28-2002, 10:56 AM

it doesnt matter if there is ONE hardcore TGP or even a few,most large TGp's got to where they're at by trades...If the softcore TGP's(with all the traffic) dont trade with them then it wont matter!

Now who's going to tell thehun,JJJ and worldsex to get on board?

the bulldog · 08-28-2002, 10:57 AM

tgps r4 ******s

[Labret] · 08-28-2002, 11:14 AM

So long as you there is some Ukranian kid happy with his 1:45000 conversion ratios and people who rank their eliteness based upon how much shitty traffic they have, tgps will continue to suck balls. You havent even seen the bottom.

TGP sucked 2 years ago. It sucked really bad 1 year ago... guess what it will look like a year from now.

There will be more newbies with 400k a day with nonexistant conversion ratios and egos that would make Boneprone and Sleazy stop and say "damn".

And people will still be posting threads about "you know what the problem with tgp is?"

TGP has never been a good idea. They have always given away too much free porn.

Gallery makers crying about the state of conversion ratios with gallery traffic is the height of ludicrous.

Theo · 08-28-2002, 11:39 AM

well said

Dildozer · 08-28-2002, 11:42 AM

I saw some guy defend the TGP's like this the other day: "What would happen if you went into a supermarket, and someone offered you a 'free cola' drink. You would take it, and if you liked it perhaps you'll buy the 2l bottle. "

The guy's got it wrong!!!

Right now TGP's aren't offering a free coke at the supermarket, they're delivering a truckload of free coke to the customer's house, hand them a coupon asking them to buy some more like they don't have enough.

I agree with the model of softcore on the front and hardcore in the member's area with lots of offers for upsells. I didn't want to get into a TGP but now i'm wondering. It could actually be a good solution, keep better traffic and send all the shitty useless one to russian webmasters, so they can choke on their bandwidth bills and die.

[Labret] · 08-28-2002, 11:48 AM

Here is a solution.

Back in the per click days, some programs refused to allow tgp traffic in their programs.

If sponsors wouldnt support them, they would go away.

Bandwidth is cheap. If it were more expensive, and it wasnt economical to run a tgp, they would die. I say jack it back up to 4 bucks a gig like the good ol days.

Kill the freehosts. Kill the freehosts kill the freehosts killthefreehosts.

But its the nature of the beast. Some asshole will always open a freehost for the cheap bastard who cant afford bandwidth. Some asshole will always sell bandwdith for 25 cents a gig, and even more assholes will buy their shitty traffic.

Every sponsor and their god damn grandmother offers LINK TO OUR GALLERIES, here are a bunch of premade galleries for you, here is an assload of free content.

Sponsors are as much to blame as they give them no incentive not to build galleries and run tgps.

Ray@TastyDollars · 08-28-2002, 12:01 PM

My

Leave the thumbs hardcore but CENSOR the main pics. I'd like to see someone try to jerk to 120pixel thumbs or censored pics.

Ray

Tbuddha · 08-28-2002, 12:10 PM

If the affiliate programs stopped taking tgp traffic the problem would be completely gone in 3 months and everyone would be much better off. Never gonna happen tho.

Flamesuit="on"

Trenton · 08-28-2002, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by azRCF
I don't know dick about running a TGP but maybe if you did'nt update daily the surfers would break out the plastic more often.
Maybe do updates like once a week. The surfers would get tired of waiting for new updates and decide to join a site. Just a thought... But I guess that would'nt be such a good idea to the daily submitter and you would have a massive gallery backlog very build up very quickly...

In theory yes, but reality no. The surfer will just move on to the next TGP. We have created a monster called TGP

The TGP game is a viscous circle.

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However, More free porn = poorer conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Better conversions, but Less signups

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

To try and build traffic and compete with other TGP's we offer:

More updated galleries = More surfers
More surfers = more chances for a signup
However More free porn = poor conversions
Less free porn = more money, but less surfers
Less surfers = Less signups but better conversions

nocostporn · 08-28-2002, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tbuddha
If the affiliate programs stopped taking tgp traffic the problem would be completely gone in 3 months and everyone would be much better off. Never gonna happen tho.

Flamesuit="on"

an affiliate program can't determine that..What if you have a gallery that gets a sale? How do they determine it came from a TGP? that will NEVER happen,everybody knows a program does anything for a sale

SleazyDream · 08-28-2002, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornJester
Fact 1: There is way to much FREE porn offered to surfers.

Fact 2: People have tried to revamp the TGP concept, hence TGP2... not such a great success.

Fact 3: TGP as we know it today - structure wise - isn't going anywhere fast.

Fact #1 - You're a fuckin no money Idiot

Fact #2 - TGP evolves EVERY day.

Fact #3 - re-read fact #1

Theo · 08-28-2002, 12:46 PM

tgp sanitarium

Shoplifter · 08-28-2002, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
So long as you there is some Ukranian kid happy with his 1:45000 conversion ratios and people who rank their eliteness based upon how much shitty traffic they have, tgps will continue to suck balls. You havent even seen the bottom.

Unfortunately Labret is totally right on with this. There are people happy to make $20 a day here and soon there will be 100 million Chinese webmasters happy to make $20 a month (and with stolen content ).

The bottom will be very very deep.

slackor · 08-28-2002, 01:13 PM

well free porn is never going away so that can't change but paysite's can change by offering better and better porn. full length video's still are not free anywhere except Kazaa/usenet.

Dildozer · 08-28-2002, 01:17 PM

people don't need full lenght videos to get off. All they need is a movie post that post some good, short clips.

the Shemp · 08-28-2002, 01:25 PM

This is depressing, I think i'll add 100 more galleries tonite.

shemp

Pornwolf · 08-28-2002, 01:34 PM

Just my

here...

I agree with the free content from the sponsors being softer core. I think Oliver Klozoff has it just about right.

I think TGP's should focus more on having their own softer-core galleries on the sites. I don't think they should have to make them all though. More companies like Diabolical and hopefully many others should come with the revshare gallery plan. This gives gallerymakers a certain amount of accountability and ensures that super hardcore is kept off the galleries but also keeps the quality of each gallery high. Of course sharing the revenue with the tgp owner is also a major selling point. That should have been done a long time ago.

It would then be a wonderful world.

No one would have to sift through thousands of BS cheating galleries. Everybody shares the wealth & conversions increase dramatically. Traffic can also still be traded.

Theo · 08-28-2002, 02:12 PM

we already receive submissions in chinese lang.....

cafeaulait · 08-28-2002, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RMG

Touche! Guess I should re-read the rules.
You're black background is eye catching.

Oh well they got me in the end - lasted two days though.

cosis · 08-28-2002, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the Shemp
This is depressing, I think i'll add 100 more galleries tonite.

shemp

Theo · 08-28-2002, 03:49 PM

let me do the start, i asked a little favor from a friend.

4 spots ABOVE Sleazydream's gallery

http://al4a.com/links.html

enjoy the lyrics

Theo · 08-28-2002, 03:50 PM

none can beat me when it comes to free porn

08-28-2002, 07:34 AM	#4
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	Good luck getting your galleries accepted with non-nude or semi-nude pictures. I know what you mean, but this has been discussed a thousand times. We all know there is a problem. The only problem here are the newbies that think they can become millionnaire in a week. Then they realise it's harder than expected, and rush into tgp suicide. 50, 100 or even 200 hardcore pictures in a gallery. Then they realise it's a shitty industry and leave.. then there is another one.. It's like telemarketing. There will always be a fool that think it's really easy to sell. There is an unlimited supply of newbies. TGP's love it __________________

08-28-2002, 08:24 AM	#9
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	Yeah it's been said a thousand times BUT this is the best solution to the problem... Free porn is here to stay but the free porn out is better than most paysite material!! If some of these two-bit gallery makers knew what it takes to have a succesful paysite they wouldnt be giving away EVERYTHING... The big tgp's should get together and follow this,I doubt their bookmarks would decrease if they do it pacefully over a few weeks,adding less and less hardcore Perfect idea but nobody has the weight to say make a change and have people follow __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

08-28-2002, 08:43 AM	#11
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	bookmarkers wouldn't just leave... The content on the hun sucks ass but people go there because they know its clean... Just because you have a hardcore tgp doesnt mean people are going to jump on... How many people here have hardcore tgps? wheres your traffic? lol __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

08-28-2002, 10:03 AM	#16
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I dont submit galleries to tgps nor trade traffic with them. ;) Jester: thatGAyAw rocks man. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-28-2002, 10:04 AM	#17
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	more thong less pink..it leaves more to the imagination..and conversions are up...yippie.. __________________ Sig heil

08-28-2002, 07:23 AM	#1
pornJester Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 6,138	The TGP Conversion Dilemma Fact 1: There is way to much FREE porn offered to surfers. Fact 2: People have tried to revamp the TGP concept, hence TGP2... not such a great success. Fact 3: TGP as we know it today - structure wise - isn't going anywhere fast. With TGPs popping up faster than Clinton's cock in a room full of interns, it's nearly impossible to say TGP is going to die out anytime soon, if ever. But the problem still remains that there is way too much free porn available through TGPs. I believe that the solution lies within the gallery makers. Those of us who make galleries would like higher conversions, but as time passes the value of the TGP click lessens. Everyone it seems is trying to out-do everyone else when it comes to galleries, trying to offer more hardcore pics, more graphic content, etc. I propose that this is the reason that TGP traffic has deteriorated to the point it's at now. Put yourselves in the shoes of the surfer for a moment. You head to your favorite TGP, there, right in front of you are hundreds of galleries covering most every niche you could want, all free. You go from gallery to gallery, tons of hardcore pics flash in front of you. Why the fuck would you ever need a credit card, unless you are some porn feign who can't get enough. But the average surfer is not a porn feign, the average surfer can get his fix from a TGP in 15 min and go on with the rest of his day. What I propose is that we stop giving the surfer so much free hardcore content. Not less pics, just less graphic pics. Say you have a 20 pic gallery... make the first 17 pics non-nude teasing and let the last three pics show a little something. This works great for single girls (amateur, teen)... and in the case of a hardcore set you can have most of the pics being the undressing part, pull off the shirt, undoing the pants, etc... and have the last couple pics show something that the surfer wants to see. 3 nude pics isn't shit, the surfer wants more, so he'll be more inclined to click further.. TEASE THEM FOR CRISSAKES. Some people try and offer small pics, low res pics, this approach is crap.. you don't want the surfer to think that all the pics he'll be paying for will also be small and low res, give him the high quality stuff up front, just not all the graphic content. If every gallery on a TGP, whether it has 14 pics, or 25 offers only 2-4 nudity pics, guaranteed you will see your click-through and conversion ratios rise. If the surfer is determined not to pay, at least make him work for his fuck'n free pics. Make him have to click through 30-40 galleries to get enough porn to satisfy him, not 5-6 galleries. You may say, well this is what we tried with TGP 2, less pics... I don't believe the key is Less Pics, I believe it's less graphic pics. The teasing pics that lead up to the nudity and hardcore acts are whetting the appetite of the surfer, putting him in the right state of mind to want to view more of THAT content. Most content providers include enough non-nude teasing pics in the beginning of a set to suffice for a gallery, and if there aren't enough use two different sets or switch who you get content from. Paysite owners who give free content should commission more teasing content from their exclusive shoots, and offer more of it to their affiliates and encourage them to use it (not all that old shitty 1989 porn that many sponsors offer). Ok, so everyone probably won't follow suit with this plan, who gives a fuck... Those who do will see their conversions and click-throughs rise and the others will still experience similar shitty ratios. Imagine what I propose for a moment as if it was reality. The number of free graphic porn pics reduced by approximately 75% ...this may sound corny, but it's a fuck'n beautiful idea... __________________ FreshBucks \| Webmaster Vault \| GayAW Trusted Names in Adult. ICQ 9157.3698

08-28-2002, 07:31 AM	#2
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	As a TGP owner, I completely agree. There is way too much hardcore being given away. The preview has reached the stage where it almost equals the goods being sold, and obviously, that hurts sales. Not just for gallery builders, but also for TGP webmasters. Another thing I find weird is the "no pics on html pages"-rule. It almost seems like people want to expose the surfer to as little advertising as possible. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

08-28-2002, 07:41 AM	#6
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	Someone comes up with a new revision of that idea every week, and wants to do something about it. Unless you give the best blowjobs in the world, and most of the tgp owners are gay, it's not gonna happen.

08-28-2002, 07:54 AM	#8
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	A fair bit of the content floating around on TGP's is free content, isn't it? I'm not sure how much, i don't really have numbers to back that up. But i'm pretty sure it's a safe assumption. I agree with PJ. If sponsors were to lower the hardcore content, and increase the tease factor of their free content, it could help..

08-28-2002, 08:36 AM	#10
cafeaulait Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 587	No-one is ever going to jump first though, why would someone offer a softcore TGP when eveyone else is offering the moon on a stick? Even if all the TGP's miraculously went softcore at the same time some fucker would come straight along with hardcore one and steal all the traffic. Don't get me wrong I completely agree with what you are saying and would love to it to happen, I just can't see it.

08-28-2002, 10:04 AM	#18
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	With TGPs popping up faster than Clinton's cock in a room full of interns You wrote that entire thing, just so you could use that line --------- And it's a fucking beauty! __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

08-28-2002, 10:06 AM	#19
-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	I haven't read the entirety of this thread yet but if its along the lines I think it is here's an article I wrote a while ago... AVS and TGP...Two Great Tastes, That Taste Great TOGETHER! Posted on Sunday, April 07 @ 10:41:17 EDT by mogul Hoax writes: "Seems that nowadays there is a lot of people flocking to many of the hot topics in the adult world. To the veteran, TGP and AVS sites are old news. But recently there has been a tremendous surge of people flocking to both. TGP's can be a great way to get some base traffic going on free content. They are fun and exciting, at the start, and a few days of hard work can see immediate returns in the way of traffic. Adding a touch of personality, some personal anecdotes, and some small personalized features can keep surfers coming back and get you a loyal following of bookmarker's. The downside of being a TGP owner is the fact that the time and effort required can soon become tedious and stale. Compound that with notoriously low conversion rates, and you'll find yourself moving on to something else, as your TGP rots away listlessly giving away free porn to the 5,000 or so unique visitors a day. AVS sites, you too can see direct sales to a pseudo paysite all your own! There are many different strategies and to some it can be a bit boggling with all its options, rules, and choices. Many a webmaster has painstaking toiled over a tour and members area...lovingly arranged the content, and begun the arduous task of pumping traffic to your new baby. Here is the point where many webmasters can see there time spent in preparation dwindle away to a waste, many avs services can fail to produce the traffic numbers one had hoped for. And unless you have pre-existing traffic or a plethora of avs sites, gateways, and portals, chances are you've got yet another only mildly successful site on your hands. Between the market saturation in both areas, and the increasingly high number of webmasters exploiting both these areas many in our industry are falling short of their goals and not making the money the might have expected. Sitting discouraged at the keyboard wracking your brain for an answer can be a common predicament. Well here is a possible answer to those webmaster blues. Take that tgp from its darkened corner of cyberspace and breathe some fresh life into it...reestablish those forgotten link trades, get those submissions flowing again, insert some new humor and news...then take those members areas that never saw much light and toss it on your TGP as a "Member's Area". Put a Full Page Ad in front of the daily listings and talk up the member's options...I blamed the gov't personally, "Due to the stricter laws governing the world of porn, I'm no longer willing to risk jail time in order to bring you free hardcore porn...But by verifying your age with this Age verification System, you'll gain access to blah blah blah" For me combining the traffic of a tgp and the easy sell of an AVS seemed a natural choice. Not only will you be contributing to stemming the tide of free porn on the net, you be cleaning up your traffic. You'll see as you member's grow opportunities to upsell them on different programs...chat upgrades, paysite trials, or even with the AVS system you currently promote. I am amazed as to the fact that a productive practice like this is rarely if ever employed by tgp owners. Think of the huge archives so many are amassing that make them only mild returns. Think of the pre-qualified traffic trading that could be achieved between two similarly setup TGP's. There are really too many new options and ideas in this area to list them all, not to mention the fact that many of those Ideas could be coming from YOU! In closing I'd just like to say that this is NOT a new idea...though I may fool myself into thinking I came up with it...I didn't. But I think you be hard pressed to find another webmasters who's employed the strategy to the degree and effectiveness that I have. My name is HOAX and I run http://www.tomkat.com . For a glimpse at how I have done the things I just discussed, head on over there and check it out! I'm currently looking for more webmaster's who've done something similar to trade secrets and traffic with. Heck, I'm looking for people with the motivation and desire to make MORE money with their TGP/AVS traffic. I'm more than willing to teach and help anyone interested... So contact me and ask me some questions, tell a friend about this article! Tell the wonderful people at AVSBIZ.com that you'd like to see more articles from HOAX. Or sit there and do nothing...and while your at it pick up the help wanted section of your local paper, you're gonna need it. __________________ Insert Value Here.

08-28-2002, 10:07 AM	#20
azRCF Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 108	I don't know dick about running a TGP but maybe if you did'nt update daily the surfers would break out the plastic more often. Maybe do updates like once a week. The surfers would get tired of waiting for new updates and decide to join a site. Just a thought... But I guess that would'nt be such a good idea to the daily submitter and you would have a massive gallery backlog very build up very quickly... Last edited by azRCF; 08-28-2002 at 10:14 AM..

08-28-2002, 10:22 AM	#22
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Even the best traffic TGP's are getting bad. Hun & Sublime send traffic, no sales like a year ago. The market in general is saturated...

08-28-2002, 10:22 AM	#23
jpv Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 301	TGPs should not list hardcore galleries on their main page. They should have text next to the description or thumb "Hardcore! Must be 18!" and send them to a preview page for their 'V.I.P.' section that has all their hardcore galleries. This V.I.P. section should be behind an AVS. The loyalty you get from this is amazing. I run a simular setup and it is doing well. It creates another way to make money from the surfer without giving the surfer up. Then you have another page getting bookmarks of higher quality traffic you can upsell. The key to this whole setup is not to let any hardcore galleries. Candylist and a few other tgps use AVS's this way but they could do better if they stopped listing hardcore for free and give the user the impression they have to use an AVS to see it. Bookmarks do not drop that much. Alot of them simply bookmark the V.I.P. section. For tgp owners who currently list hardcore but want to switch to this use an explanation like this: "I have realized many minors are seeing the hardcore galleries I have been listing. Now I am protecting my hardcore galleries from minors using this FREE Adult Verification Service..." Slowly convert to this. It works well. I am surprised tgp owners have not been using somrthing simular to this. I guess they like to watch their counter go up instead of their profits?

08-28-2002, 10:28 AM	#25
jpv Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 301	You beat me to it hoax

08-28-2002, 10:31 AM	#26
-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	To what? Posting my article? Or meshing avs and tgp? Who cares who thought of it first. I'm sure I didn't...lets just do it...not only do the owners make cash, but the submitters do too.... __________________ Insert Value Here.

08-28-2002, 10:49 AM	#27
eru Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hawai'i Posts: 2,612	long live softcore! __________________ <font color="#FFFFFF" size="2" face="Verdana">This thread will self-destruct in 5 seconds.</font><font color="#FFFFFF" face="Verdana"><br> <br> <font size="1">In the meantime, consider hosting with <a href="http://www.choopa.com"><font color="#00FF00">Choopa</font></a> -- The only provider with 9 x 1000mbps Transit Redundancy</font></font>

08-28-2002, 10:50 AM	#28
cgiGeek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Miami Beach, FL Posts: 203	But if not all TGPs do the private hardcore part, then the ones that do not do it would have an advantaage in traffick. I for one do not think the TGP worl d is that big, so it could be done. B. __________________ Need help dealing with a hacked website? Contact me via icq 163583431 :D Premium Bandwidth Managed Servers, 12 Years in business xxxHOSTit.com I work for xxxhostit.com

08-28-2002, 10:56 AM	#29
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	it doesnt matter if there is ONE hardcore TGP or even a few,most large TGp's got to where they're at by trades...If the softcore TGP's(with all the traffic) dont trade with them then it wont matter! Now who's going to tell thehun,JJJ and worldsex to get on board? __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

08-28-2002, 10:57 AM	#30
the bulldog Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Land of Chocolate!! Posts: 519	tgps r4 ******s

08-28-2002, 11:14 AM	#31
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	So long as you there is some Ukranian kid happy with his 1:45000 conversion ratios and people who rank their eliteness based upon how much shitty traffic they have, tgps will continue to suck balls. You havent even seen the bottom. TGP sucked 2 years ago. It sucked really bad 1 year ago... guess what it will look like a year from now. There will be more newbies with 400k a day with nonexistant conversion ratios and egos that would make Boneprone and Sleazy stop and say "damn". And people will still be posting threads about "you know what the problem with tgp is?" TGP has never been a good idea. They have always given away too much free porn. Gallery makers crying about the state of conversion ratios with gallery traffic is the height of ludicrous.

08-28-2002, 11:39 AM	#32
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	well said

08-28-2002, 11:42 AM	#33
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	I saw some guy defend the TGP's like this the other day: "What would happen if you went into a supermarket, and someone offered you a 'free cola' drink. You would take it, and if you liked it perhaps you'll buy the 2l bottle. " The guy's got it wrong!!! Right now TGP's aren't offering a free coke at the supermarket, they're delivering a truckload of free coke to the customer's house, hand them a coupon asking them to buy some more like they don't have enough. I agree with the model of softcore on the front and hardcore in the member's area with lots of offers for upsells. I didn't want to get into a TGP but now i'm wondering. It could actually be a good solution, keep better traffic and send all the shitty useless one to russian webmasters, so they can choke on their bandwidth bills and die. __________________ Spam link here

08-28-2002, 11:48 AM	#34
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Here is a solution. Back in the per click days, some programs refused to allow tgp traffic in their programs. If sponsors wouldnt support them, they would go away. Bandwidth is cheap. If it were more expensive, and it wasnt economical to run a tgp, they would die. I say jack it back up to 4 bucks a gig like the good ol days. Kill the freehosts. Kill the freehosts kill the freehosts killthefreehosts. But its the nature of the beast. Some asshole will always open a freehost for the cheap bastard who cant afford bandwidth. Some asshole will always sell bandwdith for 25 cents a gig, and even more assholes will buy their shitty traffic. Every sponsor and their god damn grandmother offers LINK TO OUR GALLERIES, here are a bunch of premade galleries for you, here is an assload of free content. Sponsors are as much to blame as they give them no incentive not to build galleries and run tgps. Last edited by [Labret]; 08-28-2002 at 11:52 AM..

08-28-2002, 12:01 PM	#35
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	My Leave the thumbs hardcore but CENSOR the main pics. I'd like to see someone try to jerk to 120pixel thumbs or censored pics. Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

08-28-2002, 12:10 PM	#36
Tbuddha Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 10	If the affiliate programs stopped taking tgp traffic the problem would be completely gone in 3 months and everyone would be much better off. Never gonna happen tho. Flamesuit="on"

08-28-2002, 12:46 PM	#40
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	tgp sanitarium

08-28-2002, 01:13 PM	#42
slackor Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 101	well free porn is never going away so that can't change but paysite's can change by offering better and better porn. full length video's still are not free anywhere except Kazaa/usenet.

08-28-2002, 01:17 PM	#43
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	people don't need full lenght videos to get off. All they need is a movie post that post some good, short clips. __________________ Spam link here

08-28-2002, 01:25 PM	#44
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	This is depressing, I think i'll add 100 more galleries tonite. shemp __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

08-28-2002, 01:34 PM	#45
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Just my here... I agree with the free content from the sponsors being softer core. I think Oliver Klozoff has it just about right. I think TGP's should focus more on having their own softer-core galleries on the sites. I don't think they should have to make them all though. More companies like Diabolical and hopefully many others should come with the revshare gallery plan. This gives gallerymakers a certain amount of accountability and ensures that super hardcore is kept off the galleries but also keeps the quality of each gallery high. Of course sharing the revenue with the tgp owner is also a major selling point. That should have been done a long time ago. It would then be a wonderful world. No one would have to sift through thousands of BS cheating galleries. Everybody shares the wealth & conversions increase dramatically. Traffic can also still be traded.

08-28-2002, 02:12 PM	#46
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	we already receive submissions in chinese lang.....

08-28-2002, 03:49 PM	#49
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	let me do the start, i asked a little favor from a friend. 4 spots ABOVE Sleazydream's gallery http://al4a.com/links.html enjoy the lyrics

08-28-2002, 03:50 PM	#50
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	none can beat me when it comes to free porn