Furthermore, the original idea of morphing RSS feeds was published more than a half of year ago on one of popular Russian IT-related magazines "CHIP Go Digital", so the author of that article could be considered as an author of the solution. I.e. according to the US laws he could sue the company that implemented this feature in their code, but... Russian and the US patent-rights work different.

here is a final word from us on feedpushers and all things involved

cyberxxx DOES have a nice product, but that product could eventually lead to some issues with companies using the product because there could possibly be patent issues....

SO, my suggestion to anyone buying a product involving feeds would be to investigate the product you are using and find out what technology drives that product, because a programmer from Russia certainly isn't going to be looking out for your best interests

Thanks for the compliment. I'm not sure about my plugin, but the US-based company could eventually lead to some issues with the author of morphing feeds idea published in "Chip go digital".

P.S. As about the feedwordpress. It's not somehow involved into our realization of morphing RSS plugin for sponsors. It was used as a client side of morphing system which was described in "Chip go digital" a half or year ago. Our sponsored RSS solution doesn't import the feeds so it's not uses feedwordpress or any other 3rd-party code. The implementation of code is 100% unique and extremely compact.

BTW just a question regarding the US patent laws... Norton Antivirus and Eset NOD32 are similar products that use the SAME idea but have the different implementation (the different code). So can Norton sue Eset for using their idea? According to Russian laws it can't, but what's about the USA?

Like I said above this was our final word. I am not a lawyer and I can't answer these questions. I suggest you consult with your attorney regarding this matter.

Here are some more potential issues to the US-based company that implemented morphing feeds idea: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...zing+rss+feeds

Seems someone has got a patent on something was was realized a long time before... :)

Sure I've consulted to Russian copyright-related laws. They are very clear and concrete about it. Here you go: http://www.internet-law.ru/law/avt/avt.htm

This will be my ONLY reply, because you know you're clearly full of shit, and you're just trying to bait.

Obviously, nothing is going to happen to some Russian potato farmer because they ripped off a script. It happens every day, and then the Russians cry when people say they're scam artists.

It's the U.S.-based people that USE that script that have the problem. It's a very clear law, and it's not something that will be debated here.

Feed Pushers was formulated in 2004 on a well-known board, and the post from 2006 well pre-dates anything we're wasting time talking about. The "product" you came out with (yes, it's a product, not a service, installing it does not make it a "service," but I respect your obvious language barrier) is a very clear rip-off, you even posted in the old Feed Pushers thread when you came out with it. VERY transparent.

Again, I'm not worried.

In a very short time frame, you're going to see all of the announcements from the major programs using Feed Pushers. Anyone in the U.S. using a rip-off of the technology will be handled professionally and with understanding. We're not out to "hurt" anyone here, but you're just being ridiculous with the levels you're willing to cry about it.

You know what you did. You try to spin things to look like they're one way, when in fact, they're another. It's your pattern.

I'm going to turn a blind eye to you on it. You were offered to participate with Feed Pushers after blatantly ripping it off, which I thought was VERY generous. The more you open your mouth, the more you make me want to spend the time making sure this ends up being as one-sided as possible.

Absolutely true. While google is capable of recognizing duplicate content when only minor changes are done, it slips through once you properly rewrite a feed...and even if the duplicate content detection becomes better, I doubt it will change anything.

Search engines have a problem: The more sophisticated their DC detection becomes, the higher the collateral damage, sites that didn't copy anything but still appear to be similar.

As far as I know YOU ARE full of shit. Do you remember the story why your articles were banned from XBiz? Should I refresh your memory with quotes from their board (you know I have them stored on my HDD)?

I have no idea which exactly "Russian potato farmer" has ripped "your script". I believe that some guy from the US has ripped mine because it was coded and available for purchase a rather long time _before_ you launched your service. Furthermore, my script is a WordPress plugin but not a stand-alone product so it has nothing common with your one. That's even if we don't take into account that our code have a way different realization.

They won't. And you know why (see above). I know you are trying to start a war against my service using dirty ways as usually (the same ways you were using on XBiz and as a result of it your articles got banned of there). Ok, go this way as usually, hope the result will be similar for you...

I have no idea about that well-known board you're talking about, but if you go Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...zing+rss+feeds you'll find that synonymizing algorithms were implemented and used a long time before you even tried to think of them.

I'm happy for you.

Happy for you again :)

"Am I willing crying about it"? Are you sure? :1orglaugh Go up this thread and read who exactly start crying. I'm not worried about your feed solution at all. You got a patent on synonymizing algorithms which were implemented years ago by other people. Is it a reason to call your product a total rip off of well-known ideas? Answer this question to yourself.

I was "offered to participate" when I already coded my plugin and got it available to others. This makes me think you have stole my idea...

As about the US-based companies that use our solution. We have absolutely different realization of code and even different concept of our products (it's a plugin in my case and a stand-alone product in case of feedpushers). So it can be considered as an alternative software (MS Office vs Open Office, Norton Antivirus vs NOD32, Photoshop s GIMP, Windows vs UNIX etc), but it's can't be considered as some kind of copyright violations because our code have absolutely different implementation. So go and cry more about it, perhaps you'll feel a bit better :winkwink:

I think CyberXXX state his mind,and i DO TRUST him!
Did a lot of bizz with him in past,and no reason not to trust him,just my 2 cents.

Actually edgeprod knows his words are just BS but nothing else, because our scripts are way different. He has some kind of complete morphing RSS generation product. On the other hand, our script is just a plugin which even doesn't generate any feeds at all. The RSS feeds are being generated by freeware (GPL) WordPress script. Our plugin is just intended to handle the affiliate id code and modify the existing WordPress posts using the built-in WordPress filters. In other words, our RSS solution is a set of 2 different products: free WordPress script which actually generates all the RSS content, and commercial plugin which uses internal WordPress filters to modify the content like other well-known text morphing algorithms that were invented and implemented many-many years ago. So there are no sold RSS script which can't be even compared to the one which going to be sold by edgeprod. And course we have absolutely different code in our products. So there can't be any problems for the US-based companies that uses our service.

So edgeprod just trying to abuse my service using dirty ways in a same way as he tried to abuse FHGStore.com for using XBiz news feeds where he posted his articles. That time he also was thinking he is 100% sure on what he's doing, but in the result his articles just were removed from XBiz and XBiz team had no claims to me. I can quote here the answer of XBiz Stephan which was posted to XBiz board as the answer to edgeprod's claims (he called me a thief because the XBiz news feeds with his article have appeared at FHGStore.com "without his permission")

The same story is going to happen again since edgeprod is going to claim to copyright violations in hope to abuse our service and gain over our clients. That's a dirty way and he knows it, but... it's his style of life I think.

There are many text-morphing softawre in the Internet. For example http://www.rssmagician.com/ is much more similar to feedpushers than our one. Perhaps edgeprod would like to sue them and their US-based customers as well :)

Here is just a quote from http://www.rssmagician.com/

Sounds familiar, right? :winkwink:

We have had an xml/rss re-publisher/writer/morpher for a few years now. I was shown it by someone else that had it before me. Not sure how that stands with the Russian guy and any patents but in the US I can show prior work easily so no patent claim will stick here.

Seems edgeprod is going to sue you as well :) j/k of course because there are many other rss-morphing algorithms in the Internet (a link to the one of them I just posted above) Actually it's even funny to be a Russian because every scumbag is trying to make you a scammer depending on your nationality. I mean this: "Obviously, nothing is going to happen to some Russian potato farmer because they ripped off a script. It happens every day, and then the Russians cry when people say they're scam artists." Very nice to hear that "kind" words from my old US "friend" :)

edgeprod just knows that our solution is:
1) much easier in use for the WordPress users and it does not require any additional knowledge.
2) has a better price/license (the price of our plugin is only $100 for unlimited number of domains)
3) it's not tied to some fixed patented algorithms and improves almost every week according to the new needs and will be modified to follow all the changes in Google content-comparing algorithms.
4) it's proved by the time because it works well for many affiliate programs without any problems, in a same time as his RSS solution is still in beta phase...

So if the dirt-loving person see he can't beat 1,2,3 and 4, he just trying to act in other ways according to his nature. :2 cents:

P.S. As fas as you can see in this thread and all my post anywhere else, I never tried to pour a shit on his product. I was always commented on it with respect (Jace, you know that). However I can't keep silence when someone is trying to abuse my own service. It was with that XBiz story (I haven't tried to get edgeprod's articles banned form that site, I just defended FHGStore.com), and it gets repeated again - I'm not trying to ruin feedpushers, but just defending thesponsorfeeds.com. At least I haven't started this war as you can see if you read this topic from the beginning. *SHRUG*

It's always the Russians... and their hot sexy dirty girls..

This whole thread seems a bit off to me now. :helpme

bump for the RSS services!!!

I agree.. It's all over the place.

My head hurts. I'm not coming back to this thread.


Goodbye idiotic thread..


Goodbye.

I'm really sorry for my participation in turning this thread into some stupid clownery. I was really trying to discuss the good and bad sides of morphing RSS feeds and their recognition with Google engine, but all the 2nd part of discussion I was forced to prove that water is wet and sun is not cold :(

However I'll be happy to answer any technical-related posts/questions if there will be any. Also don't hesitate to hit me on ICQ if you need some additional consultation or any other question regarding our RSS plugin and WordPress-driven blogs in general.

I'm with the potato farmer on this one
patents are lame imho and are just the last resort to down your competition
when they're offering a better product.
I'm curious what exactly you've patented though.

Thanks for your support darksoul. Actually I'd also like to look at his patent. Which exactly "unique" technology" he has patented. Is a patent on RSS feed generation algorithms similar to ones used in WordPress and other famous scripts? Or may be it's a patent on text morphing algorithms similar to http://www.rssmagician.com/, http://www.articlebot.com/ and many others?

Jace said they will "investigate the product our customers are using". Hmm... I believe even a brief "investigation" will give a clean answer: the name of product they are using to generate the RSS feeds is WordPress. I don't think feedpushers' team is so stupid to sue WordPress authors, so it makes me think these guys are just bluffing to scare my US-based clients (making some troubles for his own nationals is a normal way of doing "business" by edgeprod).

P.S. Will be waiting here for a copy of mentioned paten and for the date of its registration.

I got some sleep and my head is still spinning from this thread.

Wasn't there some talk in an older thread about you guy putting your heads together?

Anyhow I deal with both sides and I don't like being put in the middle or forced to choose sides. All the insults and veiled threats seem a bit silly to me. Surely there has to be a better way to go about all this.