From http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/ :

Top 11 proposed names for the impending attack on Iraq.

11. Operation Enduring Scapegoat.

10. Operation Obliterate Iraq's Oil Infrastructure So That Dick Cheney's Halliburton Can Rebuild It At A Huge Profit, Like After The Last War With Iraq.

9. Operation Belated Father's Day Gift.

8. Operation Because I Said So.

7. Operation We Couldn't Find bin Laden.

6. Operation Personal Vendetta

5. Operation George Oilwell.

4. Operation Speaker Delay.

3. Operation Enron Amnesia.

2. Operation Desert Shrub.

1. Operation Just (Be) Cause

Plunging the world into war isnt something that is in the best interest of any of us, no matter where we live at or belive in.

Since most of the people that get killed, maimed and the like are civillians, and the leaders are usually brought to trial years after the fact, if at all in some cases, why not take a new approach to the whole matter...

Get the world leaders that are allies for each side and let em take it outside to the UN parking lot, to kick the piss out of each other personally, that way no innocent people are hurt, no taxpayers money wasted (outside a few baseball bats, tire irons, Heavy chanis and brass knuckles) and we can get on with the world.

All this is madness will result in is humanity destroying itself instead of trying to see the beauty of each others cultural differences. Who knows, some of these people that others hate may be the best friend you never got to have cause you were blinded with hate before you saw the person for them.

no. you are the only one who thinks its funny/ironic :Graucho
so you want to hint that US is not a democracy? Nice angle you have chosen for the discussion man :winkwink:

I know some of you will laugh, mainly out of not realizing these are facts
One generation from now, Sweden will be a muslim country. This is already an irreversible process. Dempgraphically!.
Number of muslim people there, legal and illegal will increase dramatically by the fact that alot of muslims marry local sweedish girls and as muslim way goes - there children will be muslim - like it or not. In addition, muslim people make much more children than the average swidish couple (0.7 kids/family or something like that). Coupled with the negative natural growth of the native swedish people (that means more (old) people die than babies born each year)
Even if the father dont have voting right, the kids do.

You ask if its a bad thing?
well... Not if you are a muslim :winkwink:

just stating the facts.

I think we need some more hijacked jets flying into New York City... more death and destruction... besides, the fuckers obviously missed you last time!

Hmm, Interresting topic :)

> All this is madness will result in is humanity destroying
> itself instead of trying to see the beauty of each others
> cultural differences. Who knows, some of these people
> that others hate may be the best friend you never got to
> have cause you were blinded with hate before you saw
> the person for them.

Very well put..... and I could not agree more. Lack of education can turn propaganda into racism and hate mongering amongst the people, particularly less educated masses.

Many of the great prophets tell of a coming clash of civilizations, east - particularly Snake (Russia) Carthage (Africa) and Mesopotamia (Iran/Iraq) versus west (US, Canada, Europe) or Muslim vs Christianity. They are very explicit about the details. I sure hope things get turned around and this doesnt become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Too much at stake and life is for living. End of the day you gotta thank your lucky stars and be grateful for what you have because things could be a damn site worse if hostility escalates.

If I recall correctly Iraq promised us "the mother of all battles". The end result was Iraqi troops surrendering to CNN news crews.

And at the time Iraq had the world's fourth largest army......

Is it really acceptable to allow Iraq to use chemical weapons when ever they feel like it? Even against their own citizens?

If Iceland was to start gassing it's own citizens...... Would the world just step aside and watch?

It's not about oil. Oil is the only export the Middle East has; It's the only thing they have to offer the world.

The US isn't planning world domination..... We just want everyone to play nice with each other.

Would this be the same Venezuela that recently underwent a coup resulting in the democratically elected leader being removed from power? :thumbsup

Ye. anyway... Back to the topic.
What do you care how many allies US have?
Do you think that EU leaders dont support US because they are smart and good and thought about it well and decided its stratecigally not good for world peace to attack iraq and the interest of all and that it wont achieve its goals and the US is wrong?
OR
its because they are a bunch of chickens that will sell thier mother for some oil and trade licences? and hate US because they are more powerful and can bully them?
Do you think that a chicken like cofey Anan, wants to give Iraq another last chance (and if that wont help then another last one after than etc...) because he is brave and smart?
He is a chicken with no balls that is heading a chicken organization which security council is headed my a terrorist supporting/financing country - Syria. Tell me its not a joke. He is like the kid that gets beaten and keeps saying to the one that beats him "Stop it. This is a last worning. oughhh. Stop it, Im serious. This is the last time. Oughhh. Stop it, that is enough....". So what do you say? should we keep trying the political venue? :1orglaugh

XXXManager,

Everyone is just keeping an eye on their interests.
If the EU did not have any interests in the IRAQI conflict then they would not support the US in its attack.

However as you are well aware, like the US, the EU needs to keep its cars running and therefor it is most likely that they would support an attack against IRAQ in the end.

But let president Bush first present his plan of attack so we all get a clearer image of what he wants to achieve.

Or perhaps it's because they've realised that by attacking Iraq on the pretence that they might have weapons of mass destruction that they could use against the US and it's allies, they further infuriate the Arab nations that already have weapons of mass destruction and who are looking for an excuse to use them...

And lets not forget that the current status of the world economy is not too good.

The EU is hesitating to spend billions of dollars on a war that might not have the end results they want.

Anyway. Who gives a fuck about country allies. If you ask people in the streets - they will support the cause. Atleast those who know enough about the situation.
About the Oild story..
Consider thew following point of view please..
A country as big and strong as the US (same for Russia/China/..) can not be defeated (or even battled) by arms. especially not by a group of terrorist or a weak terrorist country like Iraq.
Their only weapon is hit the "enemy" (US) where it hurts the most - ECONOMY. 9/11 destroyed alot of "money" - which is infact people's power. If attacks like 9/11 occur again or on a regular basis, US will be brought down on its knees.
Oil is one way Iraq can fight against the US.
US has all the existantial right to fight its enemies when they threat their safty/well-being.
US dont need the authorization of noone (not even EU) for protecting itself against Osama-Bin-Laden devestating terror or against Iraq terror regime.
Russia dont need noones approval to fight the muslim terrorists in Checniya.
Israel dont need anyones green-light to protect itself against murderers.
Its strange but all of those fight against Muslims fanatics. Go figure :winkwink:
If US/Russia/Israel wants the backup of EU its their right to ask. They may not get it, but dont fool yourself thinking that they wont get it because of the right EU motives.

Its time people wake up from their childish dream of a perect world where no danger is stronger than US capitalism.
You all surf the net, go to holywood movies, eat mcDonalds (even - sad as it is - watch Rickey lake).

So fuck allies. If someone threatens your life just because he hates you - dont wait for my approvel - KILL THE MOTHER FUCKER

Plan? What plan???
Go in - kill the mother fucker - divide Iraq into seperate regions ruled by different countries (Saudi-Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, US-reps) or alternatively do what they did in Afghanistan.

What plan do you need to see fist?

What plan do you fear from? what plan can you say no to?

Depends on Bush's entertainment today !


:glugglug :glugglug

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/...nce/index.html

So anyway - you agree these are not the right considerations.. (if any - the conclusion should be - go in and clean the place - because such weapons in such hands are a recepie for disaster)


So you agree they are chickens..

Fortunately all this talk of a war against Iraq has pushed up the prices of oil - good news for anyone who's family might have a strong financial interest in the oil producing industry :thumbsup

Cynical? Me? :winkwink:

There is alot of un-tapped oil sources around the world because the cost of exploitation isn't as cheap as the ones in middle east. A war would certainly bring those sources to life and benefit other countries. In the long run the cost of exploitation, technology to exploit those resources would come down. Take Canada for example, Alberta has alot of oil wells that aren't exploited because costs are too high. In the end it might hurt the middle east economy more than ours.

let's get it ONNNNNNN!!!!

What do you think that "Starwars" innitiative is all about and why the rest of the world was so upset that Bush was starting it up again

We don't need anyones support with Iraq, it would be nice. But not really needed!

Hey Joe next time you're in NY. Send me an email. We can meet up some place.

:1orglaugh

Us is getting oil mainly from 3 sources

Venezuela
Canada
Russia

Exactly
Anyway - They got my support. :thumbsup

Super. I bet Bush and his administration are happy to have won the support of one small adult webmaster.

Control,
You'd be pretty surprised how many Americans support this action.
Moreover, you'd be stunned at how many Americans could careless what the EU thinks!!

> I bet Bush and his administration are happy to have won
> the support of one small adult webmaster.

Why not, theres a lot of synergies in our business.

We send shit loads of traffic to crappy sites hoping it'll convert. They'll send shit loads of troops to a crappy place and it better convert cos its fucking paid for!

We're slimey porn dealers...... they're slimey oil dealers.

They're ruled by Saddam Hussein, we're ruled by iBill.

Ofcourse, I have seen the numbers.
Tell me why president Bush has so many problems getting this attack plan of his off the ground?

You do know that, eventhough only symbolic, the USA needs to have its allies back them ? We are talking politics here, not some bad TV show.

ControlThy
Do you have any opinion/point/idea to make?
What are you saying?
What do you think?

I think the IRAQI "problem" needs some more thought, make sure that the consequences of an attack are analyzed. It is not a quick clean up operation without any negative aspects. The USA does not even have a suitable site for launching this attack from.

Turkey, Kurds at the north offered their land, even Romania offered air bases for Air strikes. This time they would attack from the north.

What type of fight do you think the Iraqis have in them? Within 24 hours they'd be surrendering to CNN again. LOL.....

There armed forces aren't well equiped, they aren't even well fed for christs sake.

As Rose said they can attack from the North, not to mention the half dozen carriers that will be in the Gulf.

What really is disturbing to me, is that if and when this asshole gets a nuke he can hit Europe alot easier then he could the US. Doesn't that give you any thought of what could happen to the EU?? Do you think he wouldn't hit Europe?

As for pollitical support. When has France ever sided with the US? Never! So why should we worry/care now? I don't. Not one bit.

There are many political discussion here on GFY and many feel free to post their views no matter how unsubstancial.

Take the time to read this link, just an arbitrary one I found
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1991/910710-189813.htm

Tell you the truth, you may very well not be able to post replies on GFY if not for Israel's 1981 attack on Iraqi's nuclear plant.
Do you know how many of your countries (including US) supported the attack?
You guessed right... fuck all (0 support!)... :321GFY
just a quote from the smart american fella in the link above
"Q: Do we have a judgment on how the Israeli attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor affected the development of Iraq's nuclear program?
A: Any judgement on Saddam Hussein's motivations for seeking a nuclear weapons capability or what effect the 1981 attack might have had on Iraq's program would be extremely speculative."
this "bright" fella is US State Department's Assistant Secretary/Spokesman. Way to go smarty :winkwink:

I know one impact - bunch of EU adult webmasters with too many opinions and even arab-muslim ones (like [Labret]) posting on GFY :1orglaugh