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Kard63 · 06-05-2007, 10:36 AM

I've been waiting 4 months for a script. Do they ever get the complicated shit right?

k0nr4d · 06-05-2007, 05:48 PM

From code i've worked on, I'm yet to see a competent outsourced programmer do anything properly.

They seem to do everything the longest, stupid, more inefficient way possible.

xlogger · 06-05-2007, 06:22 PM

Man, i know how you feel.

I have a team that does stuff only 70% and really slow! I want to find a good US, Canadian or UK company. Any recommendations?

jact · 06-05-2007, 06:23 PM

I recently had an experience with an outsourced programmer that has lead me to the new opinion that all programming tasks should stay within the language barrier.

MissFireCrotch · 06-05-2007, 06:39 PM

what kinda scripts? I have a Computer Science degree

Nom_is · 06-05-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MissFireCrotch

what kinda scripts? I have a Computer Science degree

I read an article on digg in which the author said that 90% of Computer Science graduates he interviewed for programming positions couldn't solve even basic programming problems.

Bruce_Miller · 06-05-2007, 07:23 PM

We used to have a guy work for us programming and everything he wrote was convaluded to say the least. Some of his include files were one line long and would only include another file. Plus whenever we needed something done his answer was always, sorry that can't be done. I learned php MySQL myself and have never looked back.

Masterchief · 06-05-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nom_is

I read an article on digg in which the author said that 90% of Computer Science graduates he interviewed for programming positions couldn't solve even basic programming problems.

that's because computer science isn't really about programming, it's moreso about the theory and inner workings of things. it's useful sure, but it doesn't help very much when it comes to writing something such as a PHP script. experience is what counts there.

MissFireCrotch · 06-05-2007, 07:59 PM

i have done ajax, javascript, php, c++, vb.net i dont know about other people but i have done some programming. a simple ajax example that i did for a class is located at: penguin.lhup .edu/~jpiccolo/project
also a associates in computer engineering

Shey · 06-05-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kard63

I've been waiting 4 months for a script. Do they ever get the complicated shit right?

Not if you get the good ones...Sadly, we've got them all.

Nom_is · 06-05-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterchief

that's because computer science isn't really about programming, it's moreso about the theory and inner workings of things. it's useful sure, but it doesn't help very much when it comes to writing something such as a PHP script. experience is what counts there.

I agree, but I think theory is just as important as practical experience. Many PHP programmers around are experienced enough to write a script so that it will work, but I have seen plenty of other coder's work that lacks practices as simple as properly validating their variables or laying their code out in such a way that it is legible.

Generally speaking, you get what you pay for.

Mr. Mojo Risin · 06-05-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterchief

that's because computer science isn't really about programming, it's moreso about the theory and inner workings of things. it's useful sure, but it doesn't help very much when it comes to writing something such as a PHP script. experience is what counts there.

I am a Computer Science major and I somewhat agree with what you say. They require too much math and should require more programming. Sure there is a lot of programming courses you have to take, but I really wish they would substitute more programming courses for all the fucking math. Math is important, but Calculus, Calc 2, Linear Algebra, Discrete Math, etc.?

Any Computer Science major after 1 year ought to be able to learn PHP fast and be able to write a script for what most people want easily. PHP is cake compared to C++ and if you know C++, then it's even easier, because PHP is similar.

PHP isn't really taught as part of a Computer Science degree anyway. That would be more part of some web development or web programming, 2 year degree or something.

Mr. Mojo Risin · 06-05-2007, 08:31 PM

I have also worked with fellow Computer Science majors and I often wondered how the fuck they got passed C++ 1 and C++2, etc. because they program like they just learned yesterday. I just wrote a poker game in C++ for a final project in a data structures class and I worked with one other guy and I did 98 percent of the work, because he didn't know wtf he was doing. He was still putting all the code into one .cpp file and apparently he had not learned OOP in C++ 2, because he was still doing only procedural programming. So I understand the problem.

I've seen a lot of people drop out of these classes or fail and most of the rest who pass didn't learn nearly enough, maybe because they weren't give enough actual programming assignments.

edgeprod · 06-05-2007, 08:33 PM

Unfortunately, you usually get what you pay for ... and if not on the first project, then somewhere down the line.

MissFireCrotch · 06-05-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

I have also worked with fellow Computer Science majors and I often wondered how the fuck they got passed C++ 1 and C++2, etc. because they program like they just learned yesterday. I just wrote a poker game in C++ for a final project in a data structures class and I worked with one other guy and I did 98 percent of the work, because he didn't know wtf he was doing. He was still putting all the code into one .cpp file and apparently he had not learned OOP in C++ 2, because he was still doing only procedural programming. So I understand the problem.

I know how that is! Its pretty much, here you comment the code.

Mr. Mojo Risin · 06-05-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MissFireCrotch

I know how that is! Its pretty much, here you comment the code.

That's pretty much all he did, and I even added more comments then he did, plus I came up with the idea for the project, did the UML's, etc etc. He rode my coattails. I had a VB class once where I did the whole classes' assignment for them(some of them said they could do calculus but not programming lol) and the teacher either didn't care or notice, cuz everyone turned in the same thing for each assigment, slightly modified.

I should have told them to fuck off and do it themselves for their own good.

This is really the problem with the whole education system. Too many cheaters/users that cheat their way through school and wonder why they don't have any skills. It's really a problem with a technical degree.

nekrom · 06-05-2007, 09:10 PM

I've also been waiting over a month for a simple script modification to be done. I asumed it was simple because the programer said so, but guess not. And ya always with the bs yoyo excuses as well.

-N

MissFireCrotch · 06-05-2007, 09:13 PM

Yeppers, "hey can I see your code, I haven't had time to start this yet". By the way, why would someone hire a programmer that A. doesn't speak english and B. is from a poverty stricken country? Doesn't make sense to me!

k0nr4d · 06-05-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MissFireCrotch

Yeppers, "hey can I see your code, I haven't had time to start this yet". By the way, why would someone hire a programmer that A. doesn't speak english and B. is from a poverty stricken country? Doesn't make sense to me!

Because its cheaper

Shinjiro · 06-05-2007, 09:40 PM

I don't know about php scripts but when it comes to programming russians are great.

spunkmister · 06-05-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MissFireCrotch

Yeppers, "hey can I see your code, I haven't had time to start this yet". By the way, why would someone hire a programmer that A. doesn't speak english and B. is from a poverty stricken country? Doesn't make sense to me!

not sure what that has to do with anything...there are incompetent workers the world over...Ive had the misfortune of working with quiet a few in the US alone.

webgeek · 06-05-2007, 09:57 PM

unfortunately there are lots of code monkeys that are unable to think call themselves programmes. bummer.

MissFireCrotch · 06-05-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmister

not sure what that has to do with anything...there are incompetent workers the world over...Ive had the misfortune of working with quiet a few in the US alone.

topic of the thread "Do prgrammers from poor countries always fuck up complicated stuff?"
Yes i know there are alot of black hat people not in poor countries but why increase your risk more scamming by going to a poor country for skilled labor on the net.

Well Dunn · 06-05-2007, 10:24 PM

all programmers fuck up everything, it's like a law or something =(

spunkmister · 06-05-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MissFireCrotch

topic of the thread "Do prgrammers from poor countries always fuck up complicated stuff?"
Yes i know there are alot of black hat people not in poor countries but why increase your risk more scamming by going to a poor country for skilled labor on the net.

maybe cause the people who hire them are looking for cheap labour? Why pay someone $40 for a job when it can be done for $10. For some the savings money wise is worth the risk that the job may not be done on time or the way you want it.

I've outsourced many projects to Indian labour and I've been satisfied with the results....I've also hired US people for jobs at almost 3 times the price and been screwed over. The problems that I have encountered with outsourced Non-US labour has cost me less than a 1/3 of what US based companies have.

If you hire people who post "I can work for 8 hours a day 7 days a week for $100 a month" then you deserve what you get...

ladida · 06-06-2007, 02:55 AM

I have quite the oposite experiences. Best programmers i ever worked with were russian or eastern europe block, and they generally work way harder and clearner then many western countries. Why do you figure there's that many viruses/trojans and such coming so much from those countries. Those guys know how to code very well.

Egomancer · 06-06-2007, 06:08 AM

There is no correlation between intelligence and location. Also there is no correlation between experience and location. However there is a correlation between price and experience and intelligence.

I think that this sums things up.

Egomancer

sirkakashi08 · 06-06-2007, 06:52 AM

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