So fuck you.
FACT: Abraham Lincoln was a republican.
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Yep, and it seems he's in line with today's Republicans in favor of violating civil rights.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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Yep... The Republican Party of today is vastly different than the Republican party of History. It was created to stop the expansion of slavery.... now, it seems that "fighting terrorism" is its main goal.
This is due to many reasons, but none as significant as Reagan, who for all intents and purposes reinvented the party in the 1980's - changing it into a totally different animal than it was before.
A guy named Gould wrote a pretty solid book on the subject of the evolution of the Republican Party - he's a professor... I think from Harvard, if I remember correctly.
He noted that the only real uniformity in the party throughout its time has been its dislike for Democrats.
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Nonsense, the founding fathers would support someone like Ron Paul (small government, strict constitutionalist, stay out of foreign entanglements, etc).
People delude themselves that Republicans and Democrats are so different, they're not, both parties are pretty much the same...career politicians (something the founding fathers would be repulsed at), who allow themselves to be bought by any lobbyist or special interest group. Politicians no longer serve the electorate, they serve the money machine that needs to be fed to keep them in office, and the founding fathers would bitch-slap 98% of the politicians that are in Washington right now.See Sig...oh wait.Comment
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Actually, they wouldn't be supporting anyone. Both parties spend a lot and expand government every chance they get. Neither party was for this much government power back in the day.
The big issue back then was state rights vs federal rights, something we have already figured out for the most part.Comment
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Nonsense, the founding fathers would support someone like Ron Paul (small government, strict constitutionalist, stay out of foreign entanglements, etc).
People delude themselves that Republicans and Democrats are so different, they're not, both parties are pretty much the same...career politicians (something the founding fathers would be repulsed at), who allow themselves to be bought by any lobbyist or special interest group. Politicians no longer serve the electorate, they serve the money machine that needs to be fed to keep them in office, and the founding fathers would bitch-slap 98% of the politicians that are in Washington right now.
Oh BS. Jefferson was all about this "small government" talk BEFORE he became President. After he became president he expanded the federal governments role greatly. Hell he's made the Louisianna Purchase. Which he himself didn't thnk was within his rights constitutionally but he did it anyways.Comment
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Oh BS. Jefferson was all about this "small government" talk BEFORE he became President. After he became president he expanded the federal governments role greatly. Hell he's made the Louisianna Purchase. Which he himself didn't thnk was within his rights constitutionally but he did it anyways.
FDR was a staunch conservative until his third term then he did a 180 !Comment
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Jefferson did believe in small government for domestic issues, deferring to states governments, but also believed in a larger body to handle foreign issues. The Louisianan Purchase, was just to good of a deal to pass up. A country needs to think about having the resources to expand and the purchase was just a sound call on his part.Oh BS. Jefferson was all about this "small government" talk BEFORE he became President. After he became president he expanded the federal governments role greatly. Hell he's made the Louisianna Purchase. Which he himself didn't thnk was within his rights constitutionally but he did it anyways.
As for the founding fathers, Jefferson was not the only founding father, and using him as the sole reason to yelp "Oh BS" is kind of silly. Many of The Founding Fathers if juxtaposed into today's society would ally themselves with the Libertarians.
Sure there'd be some that could fall into the democratic party, some that would fall in the republican party, but to make a blanket statement like, "FACT: All of the US founding fathers would be supporting the Democrats today." Is just wrong.
As for the current state of politics...well, one can only hope the founding fathers would not approve of what's going on...as for me, I don't approve of the way partisan politics is ruining America. Democrats, Republicans, they both care more about their party then they do about the nation.See Sig...oh wait.Comment
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what he said. Our father fathers would never side with Dems or Rep. Both parties have you fooled into thinking they are different.Nonsense, the founding fathers would support someone like Ron Paul (small government, strict constitutionalist, stay out of foreign entanglements, etc).
People delude themselves that Republicans and Democrats are so different, they're not, both parties are pretty much the same...career politicians (something the founding fathers would be repulsed at), who allow themselves to be bought by any lobbyist or special interest group. Politicians no longer serve the electorate, they serve the money machine that needs to be fed to keep them in office, and the founding fathers would bitch-slap 98% of the politicians that are in Washington right now.

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That's not true. Jefferson was always a strict anti-Federalist. The Louisiana Purchase was one of the few things that Jefferson did that required him to bend his beliefs. He did it primarily for national defense, as he feared a French invasion from New Orleans and knew how important that port was to the country. He was going to try and make it a constitutional amendment, but didn't have time because of the timeframe Napolean gave him to make the purchase.Oh BS. Jefferson was all about this "small government" talk BEFORE he became President. After he became president he expanded the federal governments role greatly. Hell he's made the Louisianna Purchase. Which he himself didn't thnk was within his rights constitutionally but he did it anyways.
Other than that, he was 100% for states rights and clashed with everyone from Hamilton over the National Bank to Justice Marshall on just about every issue that came to the courts. He impeached Federalist judges and even threatened Marshall at one time. He tried to increase the Supreme Court too so that he could stack it with anti-Federalists.Last edited by pocketkangaroo; 06-02-2007, 08:27 AM.Comment
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