Fire alone did not bring down either WTC. The towers were hit by huge airplanes and there we multiple reasons the towers came down.

You can't compare this to any other building that has ever caught fire because these buildings weren't slamed by huge airplanes and didn't have huge gaps open up in their side. Jesus Christ, I'm still stunned that the moment the planes hit the towers didn't fall done.

It's been said that the WTC towers were built to withstand the impact of a airplane. Well, I'm sure they tested that a lot by building huge towers in the desert and slamming passenger airplanes into them. What I'm saying is they build them to withstand the impact of an airplane, but it was never tested in real life.

Only once before has an airplane hit a building in a similar way. It was during WWII when a US bombed crashed into the Empire State building. The Empire State Building didn't fall. However, the differences are stagging - the plane was much smaller, the fuel was of a much lower grade, and the building itself was much more concrete than it was steel.

The impact of the planes slamming into the towers, the resulting structural damage, and the fire combined to bring those buildings down.

damn it..lol

wow....nice input stickey

we are all basking in the glow of your obvious superior intelligence

You are fucking insane! As in really. Fucking amazing.

i particularly enjoyed your example of a piece of shit chinese warehouse in china shaking to pieces...and comparing that to the wtc towers


shows me you really got it all together

Stfu wacko, go seek professional help. Youre delusional.

Like someone else said about you Phoenix, why the hell would anybody do business with you. Doing business with mentally unstable people is pretty damn stupid.

Dude, how can you compare winds, with a Boeing 767 - in high speed - filled up with jet fuel - penetrating a building and blowing up inside?

Not to mention, the high energy from the explosion ripped of the fire isolation in WTC.

Because he has the same logic as Phoenix. A total delusional one.

People are comparing wind to plane crashes...man, these threads always seperate the imbeciles from the normal people.

Yes it is... and if you read the document "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" by the think tank "Project for the New American Century" (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) it begins to become clear why Bush went into Iraq. You'll recognise many of the names that were involved.

Now whether or not they actually masterminded 911, I don't know. But it sure was a gift from god for their agenda. i.e. they want permanent bases in the middle east so they can shift carriers into the pacific, i.e. China/Korea etc.

what do you know about anything?
you are just a whiny bitch who comes into my biweekly thread and bats his head against the wall....i throughly enjoy it.

anyone taking business advice from you needs to examine themselves don't you think BATTUS?

Then you suck as Canada has never been there.

kinda late for a sig spot so i will just call it an epenis extension:thumbsup

come back in two weeks

ill do one on why aliens were behind 9/11

franck will probably shit his pants typing so hard on his keyboard..lol

You are basing all your conclusions on visual input which makes you very suggestible to mind control and brainwashing, discussing with you is like trying to explain platos allegory of the cave to a 5-year old, impossible.

"visual input" as in you making the uber retarded argument that the fires weren't hot because there was so much black smoke.. which assumes that multiple offices full of plastic on fire, wouldn't produce black smoke?

you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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I base my arguments on the laws of physics.

most here dont get logic..nor do the understand physics..even if they claim to have a degree in it

i bet they got 60's and freaked out before every test..their only saving grace repetition in the lectures to exams...if any real challenge had been put in front of them..or a question they hadnt seen before..they would have been fucked

as such they gobble up anything they see put on the news as they are self assured that the people there know best..and would never deceive them..lol

the fire wasnt hot enough because it was going on in the middle of a heat sink

I hear it gets very windy in Sweden.

what does physics have to do with "there was a lot of black smoke which means the fire was starved for oxygen and not hot enough..." ?

you base your arguments on delusional reasoning. you WANT to believe, so you look for affirmation, not answers.

huh? a commercial airliner fully loaded with fuel flies into a building and explodes and you are going to argue that the building itself acted like a radiator to dissapate the heat to the point that it could have no effect whatsoever on the integrity of the steel?

how the fuck do you know the temperatures? did you sneak up the stairs with your little thermometer to do some test readings?

if you are not actually retarded, you deserve an award for this act.

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i am not sure how you guys are "arguing" using physics when you haven't presented any arguments with the math to support it.

Simple, steel melt at a certain degree. Burning jet fuel and burning building interior cannot melt steel nor can it weaken it enough to cause collapse. I dont see how you can argue these facts.

The simple facts of temperatures:

1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse, well below 800ºC. Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved, particularly in the South Tower.

Again, visual input does not cut it, you need to investigate the science behind it.

You speak of steel melting as if were liquid as in making castings. If you are actually interested in the characteristics of steel at various temps..you need to look further. Annealing temps of 900 degrees F reduce tensile strength of steel up to 90%.

If you don't feel like actually reading about some basic ME subjects..there is a simple experiment you can do at home to actually see what happens with 1020 carbon steel. Take a stretched out piece of coat hanger and an unopened can of soda/beer and a candle. open the popup of the full can enough to slip the coat hanger through it. Hold the coat hanger that's now holding the can over the lit candle.

You will see very quickly how fast steel loses its strength when exposed to flame.

since you don't seem to have a brain, much less an original thought... i feel that in all fairness, i should at caution you against cutting and pasting arguments from sites that are debunking the very arguments you seem to think you are making.

http://911review.com/coverup/fantasy/melting.html

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the tread lives on..lol

can we let th is one die please..i have plans of starting another

maybe an alien sighting thread this week

thanks

"fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son"

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I'm pretty confident I know exactly why we are there. I study history constantly; I just finished yet another book about JFK and my next book will be "Debunking 9/11 debunking". The period of most interest to me is World War II, and more recently the period directly after which led to the cold war.

I'm also a former US Marine - who has buddies serving in Iraq.

The reasons we are in Iraq is many - too many to discuss here.

I don't believe Bush or any of his buddies were "happy" about 9/11, but it was a sort of "gift" - and set the agenda for the next five years.

Everyone is quick to point fingers at the US Government..... How come no one is looking at Isreal? If this wasn't the terrorists who did this, they would be the first ones to look at.

Steel does not need to "melt" to lose its strength dumbass.

A heat sink?

Have you ever been to the WTC before it fell? Of course not.

The building was air tight. You can't open up the windows, and there's only a handful of doors on the very top. It wasn't a heat sink, but instead more like an airtight oven.

These threads REALLY crack me up once the wackjobs start talking about steel having to melt to lose strength... lol

No one seems to belive the government story about how Kennedy died.... yet sixty years later we still don't know "the truth".

How he died? Or who did it? :)

Strange Dude
 

Mate, your credibility just got shot to pieces with this one. I suppose the next thread is when Jesus is returning to meet George Bush.

Wow, get a life.

As we say in Oz, it can only happen in the US.