Fuck Torrents...Zshare/Rapidshare is where it's at...

[BVF]

With the "share" sites up where you can download full movies on demand, only a fool would wait on torrents for their porn...Even Rapidshare has a one at a time download limit unless you pay but a site like ZShare is KILLING the biz...

You can download as many movies at a time that your connection can handle...plus there's people on messageboards that drop full DVD rips just so that they can get "messageboard props" like 'good drop' or 'much love' or whatever....

I've downloaded a good 20 movies in the past few days and have two downloads going as I type this...There is SO MUCH FREE PORN out there that I don't even have the time to download all of it, much less jack off to it...It's like I watch the first 60 seconds of it and then I delete it to make room for more...

Something needs to be done about this shit...If I was a surfer, I wouldn't even pay for a 'mega pass' site where I get thousands of DVD's because I can just hit a messageboard, download a few vids while I make dinner, and then jack off all night to fresh porn...

[StarkReality]

Absolutely true, there are new sources for unlimited content downloads popping up almost daily and only the internet newbies are left to pay.

Even worse, those direct download sites are full of disgusting illegal shit as well and the owners still successfully hide behind their terms and conditions and their claims that they can't influence what's uploaded.

[Dirty F]

I agree. P2P and Torrents are total shit compared to Rapidshare.

[Bake]

Isnt it funny all of them sites have AFF adds up

[Pornwolf]

I totally agree. I noticed this on more than a few boards.

ZShare, Rapid Share, Mega/Erotic Upload, Supload, Sendspace and quite a few others are building businesses on other people's content in a way that should be illegal.

Honestly, if it was my content I would send legal threats that would even scare Johnny Cochran beyond the grave. If they didn't take notice of that then knees would be broken.

Yeah, it's that serious.

How do you content owners allow this? It seems like everyone is standing around like they can't do anything about it.

Within 2 years we are about to witness the destruction of the membership site business model because no one is being vigilant about these file sharing sites and torrent sites.

[billybathgate]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Within 2 years we are about to witness the destruction of the membership site business model because no one is being vigilant about these file sharing sites and torrent sites.

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[chupacabra]

fucking raidshare, worse than torrents for theft when it comes to my stuff, just a little guy but would be great to see some of the big players in the 'bro club do something about it already..

[RawAlex]

Web2.0: The end of content businesses.

[Pornwolf]

You are absolutely right. I think this thread should be bumped daily and content owners called out on this.

[Well Dunn]

follow the money, im not usualy one to bitch about aff but its realy ironic that all the piracy sites seem to push aff. I mean come on, have some balls lars and do whats RIGHT. I have personaly submitted at least 3 large sites to aff's legal dept (cuz lars always says you have to go that route, he cant be bothered to click a fucking link and look for himself I guess). Once these sites dont have a way to pay for huge bandwith bills they will become more scarce.

[Aussie Rebel]

The problem is the dating sites that fund these sites don't give a fuck about the adult industry, If they did they wouldn't be paying these sites bills

[Iron Fist]

Once content/paysite owners see their memberships decline and revenue fall, then they might take action, until then, fuck it - it's the human way!

[Brujah]

Start your own. Why not?

[Pornwolf]

Have you guys noticed how many dating sites there are?

Then think about how much young male traffic these guys send.

As soon as one dating site stops paying them another one is ready to take his place.

They will never stop paying. Think of another strategy.

[Evil E]

Originally Posted by BVF

With the "share" sites up where you can download full movies on demand, only a fool would wait on torrents for their porn...Even Rapidshare has a one at a time download limit unless you pay but a site like ZShare is KILLING the biz...

You can download as many movies at a time that your connection can handle...plus there's people on messageboards that drop full DVD rips just so that they can get "messageboard props" like 'good drop' or 'much love' or whatever....

I've downloaded a good 20 movies in the past few days and have two downloads going as I type this...There is SO MUCH FREE PORN out there that I don't even have the time to download all of it, much less jack off to it...It's like I watch the first 60 seconds of it and then I delete it to make room for more...

Something needs to be done about this shit...If I was a surfer, I wouldn't even pay for a 'mega pass' site where I get thousands of DVD's because I can just hit a messageboard, download a few vids while I make dinner, and then jack off all night to fresh porn...

I doubt anyone will rip your content though...

Did you see some of your content stolen so far?

[tranza]

That's fucked up....

[Pornwolf]

Hmm... it would suck for them if more newspapers and politicians knew they were havens for snuff, scat, bestiality and child porn.

Could you imagine if links were sent to journalists so they could see what this business model has become?

Now that I think about it, what if the journalist also reported what advertiser had banners on the page with child porn... as if they supported the content...

That would really suck wouldn't it?

[BVF]

Originally Posted by knewon

I doubt anyone will rip your content though...

Did you see some of your content stolen so far?

very little...In fact, I was going to include this paragraph in my original post but I didn't really want to jinx myself...But thanks to the smartass nobody such as yourself, I feel that I can now write it without karma repercussions:

"I don't see much of my content shared because if people shared it, they would be laughed at...People on messageboards think that they are insulting me by saying that they wouldn't bother sharing my content...But all I do is smile"

[Pornwolf]

It's time to start fighting battles like this using leverage from outside our industry. The religious nuts, politicians, the right... are all our allies in this fight. They can make certain things happen that we could never imagine on our own.

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Hmm... it would suck for them if more newspapers and politicians knew they were havens for snuff, scat, bestiality and child porn.

Could you imagine if links were sent to journalists so they could see what this business model has become?

Now that I think about it, what if the journalist also reported what advertiser had banners on the page with child porn... as if they supported the content...

That would really suck wouldn't it?

brilliant idea, I agree

[Dirty F]

Why would Lars pull any links? Hes making tons off it. You think he cares you make less? I know i wouldnt. I wish i had a dating site like aff and all those people pushing me. I would be a happy man.

[vvq]

there is nothing we really can do. the music and film industry can't stop it, why would the adult internet industry be able to? adapt or die i guess. the paysite model isn't going away. it's just going to change a lot.

[Evil E]

Originally Posted by BVF

very little...In fact, I was going to include this paragraph in my original post but I didn't really want to jinx myself...But thanks to the smartass nobody such as yourself, I feel that I can now write it without karma repercussions:

"I don't see much of my content shared because if people shared it, they would be laughed at...People on messageboards think that they are insulting me by saying that they wouldn't bother sharing my content...But all I do is smile"

Not a smartass comment, you've just confirmed that you're one of the lucky guys dealing in a niche that is not mainstream enough to get ripped/distributed for free on the net.

It was not an insult, but if you take it as if it was, good for you.


I'd love to hear about other micro-niches whether they have the same result as you with file sharing.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by vvq

there is nothing we really can do. the music and film industry can't stop it, why would the adult internet industry be able to? adapt or die i guess. the paysite model isn't going away. it's just going to change a lot.

hmmmm... Statements like that make me think I should take down all my TrafficGigolos links, rape your sites and then start up my own forum/filesharing etc. type sites with your content and push dating sites... I'll be safe since you're not going to do anything about it.

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by vvq;

there is nothing we really can do. the music and film industry can't stop it, why would the adult internet industry be able to? adapt or die i guess. the paysite model isn't going away. it's just going to change a lot.

That's not true.

The film industry isn't being attacked by the sharing sites the way porn is. They are more concerned with torrents, and they should be. If you want to see what they are doing about it do a search for "HBO" and "Infringement Notice" on google. Believe it or not that tactic is working pretty well for their content. More will follow suit since Comcast, the nations biggest cable company is playing ball with them.

The music industry is just waking up to the problem. They move very slow. They are still formulating the plan of action. Don't take their inaction as inability to stop these sites.

The adult industry is the hardest hit by these file sharing sites. This is a new enemy that can be fought. Remember, we have the biggest call to action weapon on our side. Stopping child porn is the hottest hot button topic you can possibly raise. We want to see it stopped as much as the politicians and all does... the good part about it is we know when and where the infractions take place. This file sharing site threat steps right in the middle of that by hosting the worst stuff possible.

IMHO adult has more ammo in this battle than the film industry or music. If this battle is fought the right way stopping these sites should be a cakewalk.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

That's not true.
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This is a new enemy that can be fought.
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Torents can be "difficult" since they don't host any actual content. But all the file sharing sites can definately be stopped. For example, Microsoft seems to be pretty successful at getting those sites to remove that DRM hack program etc.

This industry isn't pro-active. It's mostly reactionary and lacks the will to do anything because they can't see a direct line between the money it would take to battle it and an increase in revenue... But we all know it's there, you just have to look at what's happened to the music industry. It's not a matter of increasing revenue, it's a matter of maintaining current income levels.

A few of the big companies could jointly form a small firm who's sole purpose is to seek out the videos etc. on these sites and flood them with legal notices all day long. They could also flood companies like AFF and all the ad companies etc. with notices as well... But I don't see it happening. Instead, they'll continue on their way until their revenue is impacted enough that they'll be forced to take action. At that point they'll be playing catch up and it will take them longer and cost more money.

[Pornwolf]

You're missing the point of everything I've typed.

Serving legal copyright notices is not the way to go for the file sharing sites. Re-read my posts regarding taking on them.

Now on the other hand serving the notices for torrent sites absolutely IS the way to go. There's nothing more shameful than to have your service provider send your household or company a notification of copyright infringement for downloading "Black Midget Transexual Invasion 2" for your wife/mother/roommate/girlfriend/IT Guy to see. Shame is the most effective way to keep men from downloading porn.

All it would take is for word to get around that adult companies are outing them in public for quite a few people to stop doing what they are doing.

I told you guys that Comcast is playing ball. They will handle the dirty work and turn over any subscriber that is downloading illegal files. They have already made this known in no uncertain terms. What are you guys waiting for?

[Red Ezra]

definately fucked

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

You're missing the point of everything I've typed.

I know exactly what you're talking about... But your idea can have a negative impact on the rest of the biz as religious groups, politicians etc. etc. will tie everything and everyone together. i.e. they do not know, nor do they care, what the difference is between a file sharing site and a tgp etc. As far as they're concerned, all they see is that they are sites that surfers go to in order to get porn. You would have to educate them and there's no guarantee that they would even give a shit as long as they can demonize porn. It's far better if the battle is fought within the biz itself.

[Pornwolf]

Tempest, they can try to take it further but there are parts of the biz that are genuinely protected.

If I was a little bit newer to the biz I would fear that too, but after a while you figure out what can be touched and what can't (at least without a whole lot of rewriting the constitution).

User generated content is an easy target in situations like these. It's not a carefully controlled business like most adult sites. It's really a free for all. The great thing about it is that UGC and Web 2.0 sites are topics that the press clearly understand and makes it a point to explain what they are in EVERY article.

All that is needed is to make it hard for them to make enough money to cover their B/W. It's also important to destroy any hopes of them getting private equity or buyout offers. If that is killed then it will stem the tide of more of these sites popping up like roaches.

Once it becomes common knowledge that these sites are tainted by CP in the mainstream media then all of that dries up because no one wants to be associated with that.

Feel free to argue your point against taking action to stop these companies as much as like, I'm going to bed.

[Jarmusch]

Never heard of Zshare before...

But the other day I noticed rapidshare.com is #19 in the alexa global ranking, that's some scary shit http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sit...obal&lang=none

There's the megaupload site at #14 there, which probably is filled with illegal uploads also.

[Mutt]

only chance we have against this shit is through the courts - the DMCA act the way it is written now enables these people to fill their pockets through the avails of copyright theft requiring them to only pay lip service to copyright owners and infringements. The crux of Viacom/CBS's lawsuit against Google and YouTube is that all these companies know for a fact how they are making their money and do nothing about it other than the bs they are required to by the DMCA act.

AFF is pure scum - anybody who supports them is an enemy of this industry, there's no gray line here - webmasters know these sites are being supported by AFF. They are sticking a knife in the back of anybody who owns content or promotes it.

[RawAlex]

The charter members of the Bros club think this is fine, they sell tons of cam and dating memberships, so everything is okay.

<<-- Insert Iraqi Information Minister here -->>

[SleazyDream]

my god you guys live your lives looking for ways to shit on lars

[just a punk]

I was finding my content on rapidshare many times. There is an email to send your complains to: [email protected].

[fris]

rapdishare is breaking german laws

[More Booze]

But there's a time limit on Rapidshare... You can download how many torrents you want at the same time.

[StarkReality]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

my god you guys live your lives looking for ways to shit on lars

You really think it's a personal thing about Lars ?

It's millions being lost because people download the stuff for free, and as long as there are programs funding those thieves, it won't stop. I give a shit if it's Lars or someone else.

Just because your income isn't affected much by it at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't hurt your business as well long term.

[Jarmusch]

Originally Posted by More Booze

But there's a time limit on Rapidshare... You can download how many torrents you want at the same time.

You can buy a cheap membership to remove the limitations - basically they're charging for stolen content.

[Eman - PG]

I don't know if people in our industry actually realize the SIZE of these online filesharing websites and their impact on our industry. Back in 2000 we had the same thing only back then these ended up in a big failure mostly from lack of revenue. Today, they seem to be keeping afloat with ad revenue generated by the dominant warez/porn traffic.

Megaupload: Alexa Rank 10!
Rapidshare: Alexa 13!
Sendspace: Alexa 79
Rapidshare.de: Alexa 122
Zshare: Alexa Rank 354

For those that don't understand Alexa ranks, Rapidshare has more traffic/impressions than Ebay! The lower the alexa number the higher the traffic (not linearly). Just to compare with 'adult': thehun's alexa is about 1000!



There's not just these, there's dozens of these sites with more popping up every day. And unlike torrents, there is a easy and fast way to get unlimited downloads with these sites, usually via Paypal or another payment.

The DMCA act is our enemy here. It allows these guys to share our content without any responsability. They cannot be stopped because they are not doing the 'illegal' act according to the DMCA, but their users are. So a program must first FIND any links that share their content (usually posted on forums, emails etc.) and then send a DMCA notice. At that point the filesharing website must take down the content. What happens after? The user will just upload again either to the same site or a different file sharing site. And we go back to the vicious circle. The webmaster program cannot make any money through this to make up for the costs of scouting the links and the $500/DMCA letter.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

my god you guys live your lives looking for ways to shit on lars

Sleazy if you produced content you would understand but you dont.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

my god you guys live your lives looking for ways to shit on lars

Who do you think they'll all be using for monetizing their new torrent / share / etc.. sites?

[Pornwolf]

Hey folks, here's a quick note for all of the sponsors supporting these sites... if you don't want to be associated with the shitstorm that's about to come I suggest you stop taking thier traffic.

Sponsors, ad networks, hosts and even some backbone providers are being targeted for a massive awareness campaign right now. If you don't want to be lumped in the same boat as these file sharing sites then you need to take action soon. Torrent sites will be lumped in as well.

If you ever had thoughts of being acquired you will watch your multiple drop pretty quickly.

I'm just letting you know now.

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Hey folks, here's a quick note for all of the sponsors supporting these sites... if you don't want to be associated with the shitstorm that's about to come I suggest you stop taking thier traffic.

Sponsors, ad networks, hosts and even some backbone providers are being targeted for a massive awareness campaign right now. If you don't want to be lumped in the same boat as these file sharing sites then you need to take action soon. Torrent sites will be lumped in as well.

If you ever had thoughts of being acquired you will watch your multiple drop pretty quickly.

I'm just letting you know now.

Can you tell us anymore about this Pornwolf? it sounds very interesting.

[directfiesta]

So many places like that ...

This one gets people to buy an " adult trial " to access their content. In other words, some sucker program is paying a PPS for in fact a membership on a dl site ... or ...

PHP Code:

http://www.fullreleases.com/NewMembers/crossroads_NEW.php 


[_mC_]

USENET has every site's episodes, plus a zillion full DVD rips. And they've had them there forever... No beating it.

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

Can you tell us anymore about this Pornwolf? it sounds very interesting.

Initial calls were placed today to get the proper course of action in place.

If anyone wants to help make send links & screenshots of pages where any offensive material (CP, Beastiality, Scat etc) is hosted and also where it is linked from (forums, blogs etc).

Make sure the screenshots capture the ads on the page.

Send them to pornwolf (at) gmail.com


Someone's has to do something. Unfortunately for them I only know how to fight dirty.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by _mC_

USENET has every site's episodes, plus a zillion full DVD rips. And they've had them there forever... No beating it.

TRue ... but most surfers have no idea of what newsgroups are ... Also, you need a good news supplier to have all articles complete. You also need to know about quickpar and so on to have good dl ....

But I agree: a surfer doesn't need to pay to get access to fresh adult content.

[Rui]

Pornwolf - do you use icq mate?

[Pornwolf]

Sure I do

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