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hahmike · 08-24-2002, 05:56 AM

a friend is thinking of buying a bmw 5 series.

i constantly recommend the alfa romeo gtv but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

what do you guys think?

<a href="http://bestcars.gdo.kiev.ua/alfaromeo/alfa-romeo_gtv_05.jpg"><img src="http://bestcars.gdo.kiev.ua/alfaromeo/alfa-romeo_gtv_05.jpg" width="620">
(click for the bigger pic)</a>

McAttack · 08-24-2002, 06:02 AM

I tend to like to stay away from whatever the popular car is, so if where you are is like here, BMWs are everywhere. Fine, it's nice if you want to be the status quo (of rich bastards!) but that Alfa looks nice though. Stylewise, I'd go for the Alfa. I don't know how it handles, how the interior is, and if the mechanics are better than they used to be.

If he wants a BMW, nothing like an M3 baby!

Theo · 08-24-2002, 06:04 AM

two different cars

hahmike · 08-24-2002, 06:12 AM

yes i know... it is why i posted.

that alfa romeo looks to have had a few modifications, but it's the only good pic that i could find at the time.

here is a more accurate one...

Jizar II · 08-24-2002, 06:20 AM

Go for the Alfa!! it´s a sweet car, I have a 156 tspark myself, nothing special, but if you compare it to the cars in the same pricerange it´s a sure winner.

posh rat in hell · 08-24-2002, 06:21 AM

IMHO the only BMW's worth buying are M3, M5, M Roadster, and Z8.

jammyjenkins · 08-24-2002, 06:23 AM

I'm not jealous. really, I'm not jealous...

*cough*

where about in the UK are you? (just out of curiosity...)

davvve · 08-24-2002, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by posh rat in hell
IMHO the only BMW's worth buying are M3, M5, M Roadster, and Z8.

Great cars! But what about the new 7 series?

booker · 08-24-2002, 10:27 AM

I would suggest the top-level M3 from BMW. The straight-6 has gobs of torque, the steering is as responsive as you could want from a production car, and the throttle is by-wire and variablely sensative. In addition you can toggle the traction control and other driver aids.

For £38.000 you can have a fantastic, comfortable, classy road car that can be taken to the track without any compromises. If you saw the special on the BBC with Tiff Nielson (former Gran Prix driver) when he test drove the M3, he was very impressed with its excellent showing in all catagories. The cross-country ability of the car is outstanding and I'm pretty sure you'll never be disappointed on the open road. (I can hook you up with that video if you'd like, drop me a line).

...also, the "telephone dial" wheels on the Alfa are just hideous, they bring back horrible memories of underpowered late-80s 4-banger 911s.

YDG · 08-24-2002, 12:44 PM

They are totally diferent cars meant for diferent markets.
What his budget?

Morgan · 08-24-2002, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by McAttack

If he wants a BMW, nothing like an M3 baby!

Except the M5

booker · 08-24-2002, 12:58 PM

The M5's biggest drawback is its massive weight.. 2 tons dry & not including driver/passengers.

quiet · 08-24-2002, 01:00 PM

the m5 is going after a different market than the m3. obviously.

DennisS · 08-24-2002, 01:00 PM

alfa SUX mad ugly

Light_52 · 08-24-2002, 03:45 PM

Fuck BMW and Alfa go for YUGO

Lane · 08-24-2002, 03:47 PM

where does he live? (country)

Lexxx · 08-24-2002, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
where does he live? (country)

I was wondering that too...

In US, it's BMW 5-series without a thought... Alfa would be viewed as a mini-cooper or something 'cause noone knows what the hell it is...

In Europe, it's different... BMW's are not that highly praised I guess...

thechink · 08-24-2002, 03:55 PM

most italian cars are known for their, might we put it, as being finicky at best. the germans are much better on reliability. but the the japanese build some of the better cars. my choice for a sports car : zo6 vette. yes AMERICAN !!!!!!!!!!!! & IT WILL & DOES KICK THE BEEMERS ASS!

hahmike · 08-24-2002, 03:59 PM

lane... england

jammyjenkins... manchester

ydg... i'd guess about ten thousand pounds by looking at the cars.

thanks for the feedback guys. it isn't my decision but i love the mighty italian Alfa Romeo and would recommend it to anyone, even though it never seems to rub off on other people.

Lane · 08-24-2002, 04:01 PM

damn, why doesnt he get a british car then?

everybody thinks foreign brands are always better... you get less value for your money

quiet · 08-24-2002, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thechink
most italian cars are known for their, might we put it, as being finicky at best. the germans are much better on reliability. but the the japanese build some of the better cars. my choice for a sports car : zo6 vette. yes AMERICAN !!!!!!!!!!!! & IT WILL & DOES KICK THE BEEMERS ASS!

speaking strictly of straight line performance - from road and track:

M3 0-60 = 4.7, 1/4 mile = 13.3
M5 0-60 = 5.0, 1/4 mile = 13.4
Z06 0-60 = 4.7, 1/4 mile = 13.1

doesn't exactly kick the M3's ass in that respect.

thechink · 08-24-2002, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

speaking strictly of straight line performance - from road and track:

M3 0-60 = 4.7, 1/4 mile = 13.3
M5 0-60 = 5.0, 1/4 mile = 13.4
Z06 0-60 = 4.7, 1/4 mile = 13.1

doesn't exactly kick the M3's ass in that respect.

AND IT STILL CORNERS PLUS IF YOU CHIP IT, IT RUNS 12.50'S

vending_machine · 08-24-2002, 04:11 PM

I've always been a fan of Alfa Romeo's, but I just can't like this one. Looks like it got mixed with a Huyndai.. goo (Alfa Romeo, please forgive me for saying that sentence).

Anyway, there's a lot of BMW's out there, but not a whole lot like that one. That is one phat beamer.

elric · 08-24-2002, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

speaking strictly of straight line performance - from road and track:

M3 0-60 = 4.7, 1/4 mile = 13.3
M5 0-60 = 5.0, 1/4 mile = 13.4
Z06 0-60 = 4.7, 1/4 mile = 13.1

doesn't exactly kick the M3's ass in that respect.

My

...

Mustang Cobra smokes all 3 of these. Not as classy, but twice as nasty on the road.

quiet · 08-24-2002, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thechink
AND IT STILL CORNERS PLUS IF YOU CHIP IT, IT RUNS 12.50'S

the 'chip' argument holds true for the M3 as well. if all you care about is straight line performance, it would be silly to purchase any of the cars above.

of course the M3 handles very well too.

vending_machine · 08-24-2002, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vending_machine
I've always been a fan of Alfa Romeo's, but I just can't like this one. Looks like it got mixed with a Huyndai.. goo (Alfa Romeo, please forgive me for saying that sentence).

Anyway, there's a lot of BMW's out there, but not a whole lot like that one. That is one phat beamer.

Ok.. The second Alfa that's posted, the blue one, looks MUCH better than the red one. Someone failed miserably on the modifications on the red one.

Like someone said though, you can't really compare these two cars. Are you going for a car where you sit on the ground and have a bumpy ride, or are you gonna sit like the king in the beamer?

quiet · 08-24-2002, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by elric

My ...

Mustang Cobra smokes all 3 of these. Not as classy, but twice as nasty on the road.

from the same source:

SVT Cobra R: 0-60 = 4.8, 1/4 mile = 13.2

definitely more straight line bang for the buck. not exactly blowing the others away though (without mods).

hyper · 08-24-2002, 04:21 PM

see a close resemblence?

<img src="http://bestcars.gdo.kiev.ua/alfaromeo/alfa-romeo_gtv_05.jpg" width="620">

or

vending_machine · 08-24-2002, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper
see a close resemblence?

<img src="http://bestcars.gdo.kiev.ua/alfaromeo/alfa-romeo_gtv_05.jpg" width="620">

or

See, that's what I was talking about! Fugly!

thechink · 08-24-2002, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

the 'chip' argument holds true for the M3 as well. if all you care about is straight line performance, it would be silly to purchase any of the cars above.

of course the M3 handles very well too.

very true. the easiest cruiser is the 94 chevy impala super sport. still one of the best cruisers around. its called the " vagina car" ugly on the outside but its sure nice when you get inside. LOL! serious.

hahmike · 08-24-2002, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
damn, why doesnt he get a british car then?

everybody thinks foreign brands are always better... you get less value for your money

british people don't seem to like british cars.

british cars in terms of "eliteness" are aston martin, bentley, caterham, rolls royce, lotus, tvr, and jaguar are all expensive as sin even for an older car, whereas a german bmw or italian alfa romeo can be picked up for less. yeah, they're a complete different kind of car and it is like comparing apples to oranges, but i hope you can see what i mean... they're all above the average Fiat Tipo.

booker · 08-24-2002, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thechink
most italian cars are known for their, might we put it, as being finicky at best. the germans are much better on reliability. but the the japanese build some of the better cars. my choice for a sports car : zo6 vette. yes AMERICAN !!!!!!!!!!!! & IT WILL & DOES KICK THE BEEMERS ASS!

Z06 doesn't stand a chance against an M3 on a road course. Stop light to stop light, slight advantage.

booker · 08-24-2002, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

from the same source:

SVT Cobra R: 0-60 = 4.8, 1/4 mile = 13.2

definitely more straight line bang for the buck. not exactly blowing the others away though (without mods).

1) SVT has limited potential.. 4.6 is an overweight lossy hog.

2) What those numbers don't include is 60-0 time.. M3 has a huge edge in balanced braking power, which means more speed into the corner which means faster lap times.

gothweb · 08-24-2002, 05:15 PM

Heh. I have £1500 to spend on a car. Any suggestions? ;)

quiet · 08-24-2002, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by booker

1) SVT has limited potential.. 4.6 is an overweight lossy hog.

2) What those numbers don't include is 60-0 time.. M3 has a huge edge in balanced braking power, which means more speed into the corner which means faster lap times.

uh, i'm not arguing for or against the car. i am close to purchasing either an M3 cab or a 911 cab, so my mind is already set. i have a huge passion for sports/gt cars. just laying out some numbers.

60-0 times:

Z06 = 118 ft
M3 = 112 ft
M5 = 129 ft
SVT = 123 ft

Jamie · 08-24-2002, 05:25 PM

I have the 540, go with the BMW. Fantastic ride IMO

Backov · 08-24-2002, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

uh, i'm not arguing for or against the car. i am close to purchasing either an M3 cab or a 911 cab, so my mind is already set. i have a huge passion for sports/gt cars. just laying out some numbers.

Got a good M3 Cab picture? I luvz the convertibles.

Cheers,
Backov

quiet · 08-24-2002, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Backov

Got a good M3 Cab picture? I luvz the convertibles.

Cheers,
Backov

hang on...

here's a couple pics i already had up to show some friends:

kuwawawah · 08-24-2002, 05:59 PM

http://members.roadfly.com/loki/e46m3_faq.html

all you need to know before purchasing a m3. read up

kuwawawah · 08-24-2002, 06:12 PM

personally I love that alfa romeo, but the 5 series and the alfa are completely different cars, what is the purpose of these cars for? decide then buy it.

5 series- proper 4 seater, rwd, conservative. solid car

alfa- flashy, fwd, not a good four seater, but more fun to drive than 5 series and italian...

and forget about what other people think, you're the only one thats going to be driving it!!!

Kimmykim · 08-24-2002, 07:31 PM

I've got a car for sale... it does 0-60 in 4 flat, corners like a dream and stops on a dime... oh and it can be chipped for another 50hp...

it's only a 2 seater tho.

quiet · 08-24-2002, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
I've got a car for sale... it does 0-60 in 4 flat, corners like a dream and stops on a dime... oh and it can be chipped for another 50hp...

it's only a 2 seater tho.

selling your lotus?

kuwawawah · 08-24-2002, 09:11 PM

hey quiet, 911 conv. are pretty nice, had one for about 6 years before the clk430 conv. don't know how the new 996s drive like but the older ones are pretty ruff and bumpy.

<img src="http://webizca.com/fun/911ar.jpg">

92 911 america roadster

08-24-2002, 05:56 AM	#1
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	which car?... a friend is thinking of buying a bmw 5 series. i constantly recommend the alfa romeo gtv but it seems to fall on deaf ears. what do you guys think? <a href="http://bestcars.gdo.kiev.ua/alfaromeo/alfa-romeo_gtv_05.jpg"><img src="http://bestcars.gdo.kiev.ua/alfaromeo/alfa-romeo_gtv_05.jpg" width="620"> (click for the bigger pic)</a> Last edited by hahmike; 08-24-2002 at 06:04 AM..

08-24-2002, 06:02 AM	#2
McAttack Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 625	I tend to like to stay away from whatever the popular car is, so if where you are is like here, BMWs are everywhere. Fine, it's nice if you want to be the status quo (of rich bastards!) but that Alfa looks nice though. Stylewise, I'd go for the Alfa. I don't know how it handles, how the interior is, and if the mechanics are better than they used to be. If he wants a BMW, nothing like an M3 baby! __________________ You know Teen Kelly converts like crazy.

08-24-2002, 10:27 AM	#9
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	I would suggest the top-level M3 from BMW. The straight-6 has gobs of torque, the steering is as responsive as you could want from a production car, and the throttle is by-wire and variablely sensative. In addition you can toggle the traction control and other driver aids. For £38.000 you can have a fantastic, comfortable, classy road car that can be taken to the track without any compromises. If you saw the special on the BBC with Tiff Nielson (former Gran Prix driver) when he test drove the M3, he was very impressed with its excellent showing in all catagories. The cross-country ability of the car is outstanding and I'm pretty sure you'll never be disappointed on the open road. (I can hook you up with that video if you'd like, drop me a line). ...also, the "telephone dial" wheels on the Alfa are just hideous, they bring back horrible memories of underpowered late-80s 4-banger 911s. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard." Last edited by booker; 08-24-2002 at 10:29 AM..

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booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	The M5's biggest drawback is its massive weight.. 2 tons dry & not including driver/passengers. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

08-24-2002, 06:04 AM	#3
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	two different cars

08-24-2002, 06:12 AM	#4
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	yes i know... it is why i posted. that alfa romeo looks to have had a few modifications, but it's the only good pic that i could find at the time. here is a more accurate one...

08-24-2002, 06:20 AM	#5
Jizar II Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: LLL© Posts: 1,425	Go for the Alfa!! it´s a sweet car, I have a 156 tspark myself, nothing special, but if you compare it to the cars in the same pricerange it´s a sure winner.

08-24-2002, 06:21 AM	#6
posh rat in hell Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 403	IMHO the only BMW's worth buying are M3, M5, M Roadster, and Z8.

08-24-2002, 06:23 AM	#7
jammyjenkins So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,371	I'm not jealous. really, I'm not jealous... cough where about in the UK are you? (just out of curiosity...)

08-24-2002, 01:00 PM	#13
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	the m5 is going after a different market than the m3. obviously.

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thechink Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: west bank of md. Posts: 294	most italian cars are known for their, might we put it, as being finicky at best. the germans are much better on reliability. but the the japanese build some of the better cars. my choice for a sports car : zo6 vette. yes AMERICAN !!!!!!!!!!!! & IT WILL & DOES KICK THE BEEMERS ASS! __________________ www.thechink.com<br><br>I Don't Really Exist.<br><br>Mazel Tov !

08-24-2002, 03:59 PM	#19
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	lane... england jammyjenkins... manchester ydg... i'd guess about ten thousand pounds by looking at the cars. thanks for the feedback guys. it isn't my decision but i love the mighty italian Alfa Romeo and would recommend it to anyone, even though it never seems to rub off on other people.

08-24-2002, 04:01 PM	#20
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	damn, why doesnt he get a british car then? everybody thinks foreign brands are always better... you get less value for your money __________________

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vending_machine Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,062	I've always been a fan of Alfa Romeo's, but I just can't like this one. Looks like it got mixed with a Huyndai.. goo (Alfa Romeo, please forgive me for saying that sentence). Anyway, there's a lot of BMW's out there, but not a whole lot like that one. That is one phat beamer.

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08-24-2002, 05:15 PM	#34
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kuwawawah Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Frozen nutZ Posts: 348	personally I love that alfa romeo, but the 5 series and the alfa are completely different cars, what is the purpose of these cars for? decide then buy it. 5 series- proper 4 seater, rwd, conservative. solid car alfa- flashy, fwd, not a good four seater, but more fun to drive than 5 series and italian... and forget about what other people think, you're the only one thats going to be driving it!!!

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Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	I've got a car for sale... it does 0-60 in 4 flat, corners like a dream and stops on a dime... oh and it can be chipped for another 50hp... it's only a 2 seater tho.

08-24-2002, 09:11 PM	#43
kuwawawah Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Frozen nutZ Posts: 348	hey quiet, 911 conv. are pretty nice, had one for about 6 years before the clk430 conv. don't know how the new 996s drive like but the older ones are pretty ruff and bumpy. <img src="http://webizca.com/fun/911ar.jpg"> 92 911 america roadster