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TGVinny 05-22-2007 10:20 PM

Sounds like a great idea, but seriously, for 350 miles you need 350 pounds of aluminum, that's a shit load to carry, are cars going to be the size of buses??

DOCTOR 30 05-22-2007 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumballs (Post 12472002)
Great now they will learn how to corner the aluminum market and regulate the price like they do oil.

Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Now here's a bright guy!

You hit the nail right on the head. Guess which companies dominate the aluminum field?

You got it, same companies that dominate the petroleum.

Control goes from one to the other.

Chio 05-22-2007 11:46 PM

Why is everyone so concerned about using water as a fuel?
The by-product of a hydrogen engine *is* water.

Pleasurepays 05-22-2007 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12470690)
Fact is that if reagan and Bush 1 hadn't cut off funding for solar energy we'd have solor powered cars by now and houses that run on solar energy.

you're right. the rest of the world is stupid and doesn't care. only americans are capable of these things. thats why it hasn't happened anywhere else in the world either.

good point.

you're brilliant.

Nathan 05-23-2007 12:40 AM

Everyone keeps saying the problem is the cost of making the alloy and stuff like this..

I see a different problem.. 1 POUND OF THE ALLOY is needed to travel 1 MILE! Thats a bit much no? :)

RawAlex 05-23-2007 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12471906)
Well answer this. How come no one is concerned about ethenol which is made from CORN. Fact is if every bit of corn was used for ethenol we still wouldn't have enough. And every ear of corn that is used for ethenol drives up the price of corn for FOOD. Who cares if I save 25 cents a gallon on gas of my grocery bill goes up 25%.

Actually, a rather large number of people are very concerned about this. Already the repercussions have been felt, right down to their being a shortage of corn meal to make tortillas and tacos in mexico (no joke).

Pure ethanol (or even methanol) are not really an answer because they are a negative energy source. However, they are a relatively decent replacement for a previously used chemical that was a known carcinogen that was used in the past to control knock and so on. Ethanol as about 5% of pump gas is economically supportable and very slightly lowers the US requirement for imported oil.

Remember the math: If 50% of the oil is imported, and you use 5% less overall, you can lower foreign sources by 10% (because you would continue to use your own sources to the fullest.

Nathan, you are correct, 1 pound per mile would mean that the car would be carrying 350 pounds of useless weight at all times in order to be able to go 350 miles. That would take about 1 square yard to store (about 3 by 3 by 3) packed in densely. Size wise not so bad, weight wise a real drag on the overall effectiveness of the car. 1 gallon of gas weighs in about 6 pounds, so at 35 miles per gallon (effecient car) you would need about 60 pounds of gas - so the aluminum fillup would be much heavier. Plus, of course, the needed water to do the deal.

In a sense, this sounds like it might be a better engine design for, say, an ocean liner or an oil drilling platform, example.

SmokeyTheBear 05-23-2007 01:18 AM

theres energy floating around us everywhere , we just need to harness it ..

DaniBear 05-23-2007 03:36 AM

Look up Steven Horvarth and "Star Energy" they've got this NAILED!

DOCTOR 30 05-23-2007 10:11 AM

Tesla Tesla Tesla

BusterBunny 06-14-2007 02:08 AM

ready....set......goooooooo

BusterBunny 06-19-2007 09:51 PM

50 gallons of ice tea powering a car:error

mikeyddddd 06-19-2007 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny (Post 12627826)
50 gallons of ice tea powering a car:error

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