Frank W

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVG...ations501.html

Choice quote:

"We, as black Americans, owe reparations for slavery. We must succeed so that our ancestors will not have died in vain. Their presence in this country has given us an opportunity unique in comparison to any other black community on the planet. There is no excuse for the things many of us have done to squander what those before us died to provide.

Illegitimacy and illiteracy are now the worst enemies of black America. There is no excuse for black leaders to ignore these problems while focusing on the irrelevant and mundane. Those of us who abandoned our children should be ashamed that we sentenced them to the hardships our ancestors hoped to eliminate with their sweat and blood."

The Government cannot legislate morality nor success for a whole class of people. If anything, it gets in the way.

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Fletch XXX

While youre reading that - Ill check my stats.

thanks.

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Frank W

Don't sweat it... its still ZERO

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nocostporn

good read,I've been discussing this topic with a lot of people lately

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Mr.Fiction

Tell that to the right wingers.

Frank W

I'm with you, bro. I can't stand the ultra right Flag Huggers myself. There is a middle way....... his name is John McCain.

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wild_turkey1O1

lmao

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Fletch XXX

hehehe you are correct.

still zero.

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Frank W

Stop using Topbucks and Nastydollars [Couldn't resist getting a jab in there--I'm sure those programs make somebody some money some time ]

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Mr.Fiction

McCain looks pretty good to me as well. I don't agree with him on all the issues, but at least he seems like a real person, not some fucking robot programmed from birth to be a politician.

Frank W

Another good article along the same lines:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder1.asp


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Will reparations magically reduce the percentage of black children born to unwed mothers? Will the money reduce the nearly 1,250 mostly minority gangs in L.A., comprising some 150,000 mostly young people? And perhaps, more importantly, will reparations improve the often self-defeating attitude of so many blacks? A Los Angeles Times poll once asked whether "everyone has the power to succeed" in America. Low-income whites said "Yes" more frequently than did blacks earning $50,000 a year or more!

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Socks

How come "black leaders" focus on "black issues" while the rest of our leaders focus on humanity?

.:Frog:.

Talking about the number of girls you've fucked?

UnseenWorld

Whenever the discussion turns to whether the government (mysteriously meaning "white people") owes black Americans reparations, I refer them to Arlington National Cemetary to look at row upon row of white marble crosses. The debt, a horrible one, has already been paid. And bear in mind those are just the soldiers who didn't get sent back to their towns and villages to be buries.

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hyper

The blacks who want reparations, owe me reparations,
for having to listen to this fucking shit when i dont want to hear it

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Pathfinder

A sensible article.

I blame well known black "leaders" (the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Farakan, etc.) for mis-leading their people. These people are in it for their own gains and egos and play their people.

Having said that, I blame the press, big time for giving said "leaders" the prominence that they enjoy.

I basically watch news shows, the talking head shows, C-Span etc. 24/7 (other than when I am sleeping).

From time to time I have seen some excellent black spokesmen who would rise to the top of the black leadership if the media would give them the same attention that they give the "shit stirrer leaders".

As you are aware the media is all about ratings, so it is the "shit stirrers" that get the attention of the press.

My

Pornwolf

...and the attention of the sheep that worship the press. This is why we have so many issues all over. The colorful 'fucked in the head' people get the press and 'Joe America' follows that person because he saw him on tha teeeee-veeeee so he must be smart in their eyes.

Jerry Springer was mayor once. Al Sharpton could be mayor of NY one day. This is a weird country... but I'm not moving!

booker

Sorta like the old bumper sticker.. "The Religious Right is neither." I agree 100%.

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Frank W

Good point. Another point that is being ignored by the "reparations movement" is that the Europeans, particularly the British, were the first culture in the HISTORY OF HUMANITY to effectively abolish slavery as an instititution globally.

Indeed, certain African states still practice slavery on a clandestine level--for example, Sudan and certain countries in western Africa. But nobody is asking reparations from those countries. Actually, those countries along with many other black sub-saharan african countries are asking EUROPE for reparations for slavery. How fucked is that?

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posh rat in hell

Such total BS.
Do Egyptians owe Jews reparations? Do Russians owe the Ukranians? Plenty of nations had slaves at some point. It sucked at the time, it's over now. Keep in mind that the African salves that were brought here were SOLD by other Africans. None of my ancestors lived in this country when slavery was legal, why should I have to pay?

Frank W

What the media fails to report is that "leaders" like Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, et al represent the MINORITY of African American point of view. Most African Americans have the same values as mainstream America. These leaders' "solutions" to the problems plaguing black America focus on EXTERNAL solutions--ie., what does the mainstream need to GIVE black Americans to set things straight. This usually involves the same tired Big Government cocktail of welfare, subsidies, affirmative action, etc.

Farrakhan sometimes talks about INTERNAL solutions such as self-help, economic initiative, and individual responsibility but these are buried in the "I blame white people" rhetoric that most of its listeners easily gloss over them.

The solution has to come from internal sources since other minority groups that had to deal with a lot of external pressures succeeded. Their success did not come through political concessions but through economic boot strapping. Examples: Jews in the 1800's, Chinese Americans, Japanese Americans, other blacks who immigrated directly from Africa or the West Indies.

Unfortunately, the legacy of the "black leadership" that focuses on victimhood rathen self-empowerment is the creation of a black middle class who owes its existence to affirmative action rather than economic initiative. This may explain recent polls that show blacks making over $50,000 still being pessimistic about racial and economic progress in the US.

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Pornwolf

I am going to pay reparations to Blockbuster for the Apocalypse Now Redux movie that I haven't returned.

Frank W

That's a great movie. The original version is my all time fave actually.

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Pornwolf

Yeah, it is. I saw the original so many times that I got excited when they said they added more to it. It's longer now, but just as good and it's in 5.1 Dolby Digital which gives me a woody!

Theo

Yeah, apocalypse now is my favorite, redux version has some extra scenes in the house of the french officer where they had a political discussion about the vietnam war. The only movie about vietnam that said the things straight.

Francis Ford Coppola said:"This is not a movie about vietnam, this is vietnam itself".

Also it's one of the very few movies that last for hours and you love every single moment of it.

Brando had one of the most sucessful monologes (if not the best) in the history of cinema.

If anyone of you haven't seen it yet, do it now!

Martin Sheen, Marlon Brando, Robert Duvall and good old Rock music!

Sleepy

If the Black Community ever won a suite against the U.S. for slavery I think it would reverse alot of the positive relations that have been built over the last 100 years.

My ancestors were poor share croppers. They worked the same fields as the blacks, for the same land owners, with the same harsh conditions. But, when I went to College I had to work 2 part-time jobs and pull straight "A" grades to get accepted while Blacks got into college for free on Government grants with mediocre grades.

Everytime some Blacks riot and kill some white people they get a slap on the wrist because they are traumatized by slavery and discrimination. When some cop slaps a black kid for pulling a gun the cop gets the full penalty of the law. Add to that "affirmative action" and its now the White/Asian/Jews that are being discriminated against in the U.S.

I have always felt that you cant eliminate someone as a friend or employee because of color or creed. Its too hard to find good friends and employees to worry about such petty things. But, if I have to pay money to the Blacks for slavery thats gonna piss me off and I think alot of other Americans will freak out too. Enough is enough.

Theo

shit, i think we posted on wrong topic about the movie! hehe
anyway, in case you have seen the movie i uploaded the monologe to hear it again! yeah,i know i'm freak
http://www.sincasino.com/monolog0.mp3

the rest better see the movie!

Pornwolf

Umm... I think you guys are overreacting here. No one will pay anything to anybody. The people who are asking for reparations are the old line Black people that still secretly think Kill Whitey and Black Power are 'the' cool sayings. They don't represent Black America. As a matter of fact, from what I noticed when sitting in a room with A group of black guys is that they overwhelmingly say, "What the fuck are these old fools talking about?" when the issue comes up.

Black people need new leaders because the current ones make black America look like shit.

Sleepy

I agree, Pornwolf. In all reality if a suite like that was won it would cause a rainfall of similar suites plus put racial tension at an all time high. I cant see any court allowing it to happen.

It's amazing that people would even start a suite like that when they know the consequences. Whats even more amazing is that it's all for notoriety.

Frank W

My favorite Brando line from the movie was when he said to Martin Sheen's character -- "You are neither. You are the errand boy sent by the clerks to collect on a check."

The movie really was bigger than the Vietnam war. It spoke, to me at least, about the fact that all conflicts are internal and that if we had the will [ie., "don't get out of the boat unless you're going all the way"] we can pretty much do anything. And that everything is basically either our direct choice or consequences of our choice. The darkness is when the "crystal" clarity of will is muddled and we are too weak to confront it.

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Frank W

But aren't the corporate "sponsorships" of NAACP, affirmative action, minority contracts all forms of reparations? The damages asked for are ridiculous---in the TRILLIONS according to a recent estimate. Once the money is blown, America will probably get blamed.......again.

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Frank W

Exactly. Sharpton and company do not represent the majority of black people's values.

Other black voices: Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Ward Connerly, JC Watts, the late Eldridge Cleaver [during his later years], etc.

Government handouts never solved anything.

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Frank W

THANK YOU! for posting that clip. Fucking awesome! I never get tired of that monologue, it seems there's always a new meaning everytime I listen to it. "It is judgment....that defeats us." Fucking Genius!

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Theo

thanks :-) yes, as you said it is pure genius, i know near all the words of brando by heart. It's hard to forget them.

Frank W

According to the documentary Hearts of Darkness, a lot of the monologue was adlibbed too! John Milius was rewriting the whole movie as each day rolled on. The monologue was pretty much all Marlon Brando ad lib. Pure Genius. Probably his best best movie [or tied with The Godfather]

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BlackRain

That was pretty damn funny...in a sad way. I felt it in my wallet.

Pornwolf

Definitely! Brando makes this movie! That has to be one of the best dramatic performances in the history of American cinema! Everyone else in the film was just the straightman to his punchline of a performance.

Fuck Blockbuster! I'll have to take the full late penalty and keep this movie! The Blockbuster location I rented from is in L.A. anyway!

Pathfinder

As I posted above: I blame the media, more than I do the black " shit stirrer leaders" that the media keeps in the forefront. There are several excellent black leaders that would rise to the top in prominence, if the media would put the spot light on them. The media will not do this because the "shit stirrer leaders" make for better ratings.

You stated that "Most African Americans have the same values as mainstream America." I doubt that is an accurate statement.

There seems to be far to many of the adults that are buned out druggies, under educated, and have criminal records.

There seems to be far to many children born out of wedlock.

There seems to be far to many of the younger generation that are either in prison or are awaiting trial and will be going to prison.

There seems to be far to many of the younger people that are into hip hop or ganster rap and there mannerisms, dress, lifestyle and thinking, is far from being main stream.

If your statement is accurate, in my opinion, it would barely qualify as being accurate.

I think it is still a "the man still owes me" culture.

If good leaders could somehow become more prominent and the "shit stirrer leaders" would fade into the background, some healthy progress in thinking and motivation would come into being.

AllisonWonderland

Read Larry Elder's "The 10 Things You Can't Say In America", then vote Libertarian.

Theo

for the Brando fans

Pathfinder

Well...somehow this thread went from reparations to Brando.

I listened to Brando's monologue several times and the parts I think are the most applicable to war (at least that applies to me)are:

"Its impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means."

This, because it is true.

"I remember when I was with Special Forces a few thousand centuries ago..."

This, because after being in extended combat you began to lose your former sense of reality and the war itself tends to become the only reality that you ever knew. You begin to doubt that you ever had a life prior to war, you begin to wonder did you have a childhood, did you actually attend highschool, did you actually have a home etc.

"You have to have men who are moral and at the same time are able to utilize their primordal instinct to kill without feeling, without passion..."

This, because it is true. If you cannot harden yourself, if you cannot take control of your emotions and in effect become totally without emotion, two things will happen. The first is you become ineffective as a soldier (this is not tolerable if you have chosen to be a professional soldier as I did), the second is your sanity will begin to slip away and this once again can (but not necessarily) make you ineffective as a soldier. In fact a certain type of insanity is basically required to continue in the madness that war is. War is a criminal enterprise.