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Old 08-22-2002, 01:09 PM   #1
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You gotta love George W.

As my name implies I am an avid outdoorsman and spend alot of time in remote parts of the US and abroad chasing things around. One of the ugliest things on earth is a clear cut in a pristine forest....especially one up in the mountains because the trees have such a short growing season it takes decades to get to any measurable height.

This year we had alot of forest fires, which, by the way, is very good and healthy for the out of doors, bad if you are a logger.

Well in response to this years forest fires, George W. has come up with a plan

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid..._n ature_news

Cut all the fucking trees down. God help us...can I say that in light of one of the last threads?
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Old 08-22-2002, 01:36 PM   #2
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yeah im watching him live on tv now.
He's in Oregon making a speech about it live now!

He stumbled and stuttered a bit so far, and he sounded like porky pig!

The people sitting behind him tried to refrain from laughing since they were in the background on tv.

Sooooo funny.

His speech is very confusing, very general, not in depth at all.
The crown seems to be doing sympathy claps for him
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I think George W. needs a visit from Ouchy the Clown ...
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Now I understand why we have term limits. Almost half way through his first term. Lets pray he cant buy another.
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Amen i agree...

Remember this president was put here by a judge and judicial system.. We all know GORE should of been in the whitehouse...
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Man, this guy was brainwashed by 1950's-60's american values from his dad or grandparents :

- Cold War (Enemies everywhere). Now it's terrorists (with a good cause, for liberty. I don't think WW3 will give us more liberty though)
- U.S. Administration with generals who want war like crack addicts.
- No fucking clues about international issues. Let's nuke the bastards.

God Bless America.
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Thank God Gore's not in the white house.
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This guy should keep his nose away from mother nature. She has been prventing forest fires since he was a stain.
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This approach would also solve our HMO fiasco don't you think?

"Doc, my hands really hurt from this arthritis. I'm needing weekly therapy for them and I'm still in such pain."

"Alright Mr. Johnson, you put your hands on the table and I'll go grab the machete."
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Yeah he's a bright one that boy..
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Old 08-22-2002, 03:51 PM   #11
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This approach would also solve our HMO fiasco don't you think?

"Doc, my hands really hurt from this arthritis. I'm needing weekly therapy for them and I'm still in such pain."

"Alright Mr. Johnson, you put your hands on the table and I'll go grab the machete."
You could do the same analysis with the rest of the world

"We are having international problems Mr. President"
- " Let's Nuke them."

Colin Powell : "But Sir, I don't think it's a good..."

W Bush : "Shut up bitch.. Nuke those bastards. Yeah! BABY YEAH!".
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Ever see the skits on SNL of bush and his cabinet?

Real funny stuff
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I totally agree !
Yeah. That would be akward, since Bush is President. Imagine the fights over using the bathroom and shit.
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He simply is dumb
That guy belongs on a ranch riding horses
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Now I understand why we have term limits. Almost half way through his first term. Lets pray he cant buy another.
god damn it, feels like he's been in office forever!
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Yeah. That would be akward, since Bush is President. Imagine the fights over using the bathroom and shit.
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He simply is dumb
That guy belongs on a ranch riding horses
Although, ironically, he didn't even bother to pretend to be a cowboy until he wanted to run for president.

The old homestead in Crawford goes back generations...to late 1999.
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I'd much rather have another beauracry setup costing billions of dollars to study the effect of forest fires on forests...

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Some people do not have a clue... and i really don't think it's Bush.
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This approach would also solve our HMO fiasco don't you think?

"Doc, my hands really hurt from this arthritis. I'm needing weekly therapy for them and I'm still in such pain."

"Alright Mr. Johnson, you put your hands on the table and I'll go grab the machete."
Typical bimbo input.
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Typical bimbo input.
omg ~ you have nothing better to do....
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The idea of letting the timber industry cut down more trees is not a bad one if you think about the reasons behind it. No matter what you say, forest fires are not good. Controlled burns are good for the forest and the health of it, but firefighters dying and people losing their homes isn't good for anyone. His mandate is not to let the timber industry destroy the forests, it's to let them pare them down so there aren't massive destructive forest fires anymore.
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omg ~ you have nothing better to do....
Well...I have been working on web pages since 6:00 AM and it is now 8:29 PM so yes; I have better things to do.

Do you?
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Who knows more about contolling the forests, mother nature or George?

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BobChezule stated it very well, its common sense to manage the forests. Mother Nature created man - we are a part of the ecosystem - aren't we? In some perfect world we may not be needed but we *are* here and we *are*, most likely, not going away anytime soon. Doesn't it make sense for us to guide the forces of nature to our mutual benefit? No one likes the look of clear cut forests and I don't hear President Bush calling for this. Some will criticize him simply because they don't like the Republican party. Some made fun of Reagan (at the time I was one) but he did bring down the Soviets (most of you have no memories of what this means) but this brought stablity to a world that teetered on global annihilation.

Its natural for young people to be idealistic, this is a good thing. However, as one gains more experience, ideals must be tempered with reality.

So, clear some underbrush and save some firefighters and some homes...

Pathfinder: I respect your viewpoint but think we should act so as to protect our fellow man as well as our natural environment.
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It's amusing to read the posts from people who believe that Bush's plan has anything to do with forest fires. I'm guessing that Rush Limbaugh is also trying to sell this whooper. This is just another payback for the people who donate money to Bush's campaign.

Lumber companies want to cut down old growth forests, they don't give a shit about fires or underbrush or anything else. Bush gets big donations from lumber companies so he wants to find any excuse to allow them to cut down really old trees that are currently protected by state and federal laws. Cutting down a forest to save it from burining down is not a solution, it's a bad joke.

The idea that anyone at all believes Bush's "fire" story is mind blowing.
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BobChezule stated it very well, its common sense to manage the forests. Mother Nature created man - we are a part of the ecosystem - aren't we? In some perfect world we may not be needed but we *are* here and we *are*, most likely, not going away anytime soon. Doesn't it make sense for us to guide the forces of nature to our mutual benefit? No one likes the look of clear cut forests and I don't hear President Bush calling for this. Some will criticize him simply because they don't like the Republican party. Some made fun of Reagan (at the time I was one) but he did bring down the Soviets (most of you have no memories of what this means) but this brought stablity to a world that teetered on global annihilation.

Its natural for young people to be idealistic, this is a good thing. However, as one gains more experience, ideals must be tempered with reality.

So, clear some underbrush and save some firefighters and some homes...

Pathfinder: I respect your viewpoint but think we should act so as to protect our fellow man as well as our natural environment.
Actually I was being flippant. I think that some gardening of the forests are not out of line, but I find Republican motives, when it comes to the envirnoment, to be very suspect.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cheshire
This approach would also solve our HMO fiasco don't you think?

"Doc, my hands really hurt from this arthritis. I'm needing weekly therapy for them and I'm still in such pain."

"Alright Mr. Johnson, you put your hands on the table and I'll go grab the machete."
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I have to pay $ 875 outta my pocket for half of a back brace for my teen daughter because the hmo only pays half. Oh, but anyone with a substance abuse gets 100% coverage with the plan.. Go figure..
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Heh forest fires is a lame excuse to log. That's kinda like killing ppl to reduce cancer.
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Who knows more about contolling the forests, mother nature or George?
But does mother nature have shares in logging companies or friends with shares?

This guy is in it for what he can get out of it.

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But does mother nature have shares in logging companies or friends with shares?

This guy is in it for what he can get out of it.

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Well...as I stated in a post above:

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Clinton is somewhere laughing his ass off on a daily basis.
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Cutting down the forests to prevent forest fires....

How about taking away America's freedoms to prevent terrorists attacks(since they hate the US's freedoms apparently)
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Cutting down the forests to prevent forest fires....

How about taking away America's freedoms to prevent terrorists attacks(since they hate the US's freedoms apparently)
I am watching George make a speech in my state as I am writing this. He is repeating the, stupid, refrain "the terrorists hate us because we are a freedom loving nation."

It is an irony that our freedom is being slowly reduced, so if his refrain was in fact correct, he is providing the terrorists with a victory of sorts.
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because of him a group of over 270 families decided t move to Greece from New York and so maybe are just fed up fuck these guys its a joke
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by the time this administration leaves office all laws will be redone and shit this is crazy but nothing you can do just sit and watch shit go down daily
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The idea of letting the timber industry cut down more trees is not a bad one if you think about the reasons behind it. No matter what you say, forest fires are not good. Controlled burns are good for the forest and the health of it, but firefighters dying and people losing their homes isn't good for anyone. His mandate is not to let the timber industry destroy the forests, it's to let them pare them down so there aren't massive destructive forest fires anymore.
Thank God someone actually has a brain in here. Thanks for your input Bob, you're dead on.

A system of controlled forest fires should have been started YEARS ago. The random EXTREME, UNCONTROLLED forest fires today are doing terrible things and are due to the fact that for years we put small forest fires out immediately. Without the forest fires to destroy old, dry trees and bring in new fresh trees, the forests grow very "old" and extremely susceptible to the massive fires we have seen over the past several years.

Man fucked with nature when he decided to put out forest fires, it's time to fuck with nature again to keep an even balance.
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Thank God someone actually has a brain in here. Thanks for your input Bob, you're dead on.

A system of controlled forest fires should have been started YEARS ago. The random EXTREME, UNCONTROLLED forest fires today are doing terrible things and are due to the fact that for years we put small forest fires out immediately. Without the forest fires to destroy old, dry trees and bring in new fresh trees, the forests grow very "old" and extremely susceptible to the massive fires we have seen over the past several years.

Man fucked with nature when he decided to put out forest fires, it's time to fuck with nature again to keep an even balance.
Well...there have been controlled forest fires for years and years. Remember the one in New Mexico a year or two ago that burned down a ton of homes and a large portion of New Mexico.

I am in favor of tending to the forests, but I am suspect of Repulican motives, when it comes to the environment.
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I am in favor of tending to the forests, but I am suspect of Repulican motives, when it comes to the environment.
I'm suspect of any new actions by either political party, they do things for their own gain primarily. But sometimes you just need to say "fuck it, this is a good idea, it needs to be done".

I'm sick of the Democrat/Republican argument... they both have their own agenda, always will.
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I'm suspect of any new actions by either political party, they do things for their own gain primarily. But sometimes you just need to say "fuck it, this is a good idea, it needs to be done".

I'm sick of the Democrat/Republican argument... they both have their own agenda, always will.
Of course they have their own agenda's that is the cause of the arguments between the two parties.

Democrats in general are more environment friendly, but as I have stated the forests need to be tended.
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yeah, i'm a fan of term limits for this reason, too. unfortunately there aren't term limits where it _really_ counts, the congress.
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Old 08-23-2002, 11:59 AM   #49
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yeah, i'm a fan of term limits for this reason, too. unfortunately there aren't term limits where it _really_ counts, the congress.
Well...actually there are term limits for the congress...they are imposed by the voters.
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Old 08-23-2002, 12:13 PM   #50
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The problem with his forest fire control is that it will be a business venture. Not that that's is a bad thing.

However, the best place to start is with buffer zones around residential areas. Not in the middle of the wilderness where a fire can't damage houses.

They want to cut down trees to sell them, not remove brush that feeds fires.

SPECIAL INTEREST AT IT'S BEST!!!

I do agree he comes off like a buffoon at times ;)
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