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well, as long as it's legal why not make money from it? Hell, we're in the porn business. Yes, I agree that being straight about it is best, but I won't stop promoting something legal that makes me $ just because they producers did not say exactly what you stated. If she was under the legal age I sure as hell would not be promoting her. everyone will have a different opinion on this subject so it's useless to debate it since it will only cause people to dislike each other for no good reason. Either you promote the site or you don't.. That's all there is in this case.

*sigh* seems like only yesterday Steve launched Tawnee Stone and was accused non-stop of pandering to pedophiles.

today, his sites practically look like MILF sites and making those accusations today would seem ridiculous and the debate rages on.

wow... where has the time gone...


there IS a line. its called 18. thats where the line is. that line exists because any other measurement is arbitrary, subjective or inaccurate. the law has defined the line in black and white.. the line you cannot cross and its 18yrs old. that shouldn't be too hard for even most gfy'ers to grasp... but apparently it is.


as Steve has always said.. at the end of the day, all that matters is the law and if you can sleep at night. being in this biz and talking about morals is like being an animal rights activist and owning a slaughter house.

Yngwie you're right of course, but at the same time you don't need to justify yourself dude. :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Very funny and very true

true enough. :)

I'm up to 35 rebills this month with lupe

A fairly common attitude in the online industry - especially with desperados who need every signup and the clueless who often have no judgement whatsover. They would market *anything* as long as there were decent conversions on it - and the same folks who cause laws to be introduced to stop them stepping over the line. Basically, they are a liability to the adult industry.

Forgetting legalities - I don't pick my nose and fart around the dinner table, tho it may be "legal". It's a judgement not to.

Flip side are the legalities - It is also a judgement not to publish illegal content on websites - this type of content is illegal in most prime wired countries and for good reason - the same greedy element stepped over the line and motivated legislators to create these laws. Tho this was before the online net times - but it's clear this industry cannot police itself and others will do it for us.

PS Have always supported people/corps in this industry when legalities start and have successfully defended several actions against on our own corps, - but there is no way I'd be supporting this pseudo CP trash, and I'm certainly not alone in this. Most major distributors who have existed long before the net was heard of and who have a vested interest in this business, would do the same.

That we are all in porn so no one can make judgement is horse shit. Sorry if you sold your soul for a couple of dollars then thats you not me.

Great post kudos :thumbsup

Amen to that.

well, though she looks young, she's a pro doing stuff...

My stats agree with you. Great job with that site :thumbsup

Webby, I am Canadian. Canadian law in this matter is very similar to US law - if the model is over 18, there is NOTHING, NOTHING NOTHING that the law can do. Consenting adults, etc.

Canada does have laws against CP, even anime CP, and that is a whole different deal.

Well said. I can't say I wholeheartedly agree with your final statment there, but the rest of what you said is pretty much dead nuts on point.

For me it's a matter of simply choosing to not promote a site that offends my sense of moral judgement. I don't usually find myself having a driving need to bitch at others who do promote it, unless it's clearly in violation of the law, which this site is not.

18 is 18. Period. Don't like this girl? Fine, go promote one of the other 10,000 solo teens out there who look a bit older.

It doesn't have to be complicated.

Not going to repeat shit again..

OK... There are no laws anywhere on this planet which prohibit adult models being tarted up as kids and portraying images of em having cocks stuck in all holes. This is "normal" and rational behavior in any civilized society.

Test that one out in court and enjoy :thumbsup

Wee:1orglaugh more:1orglaugh of :1orglaugh Webby's :1orglaugh sanctimonious :1orglaugh bullshit. :1orglaugh

i don't think she is attractive & she looks 12. in a few years she will have lost all appeal because even the pedophiles wont be interested anymore. for now, might as well make money off her youth & if shes ok with it, we are ok with it. :1orglaugh

Na.. sanctimonious is not a word you'd understand - just robotic clueless oblivion, a political fetish, a mortgage and fantasy claims of being a "shooter" :1orglaugh

Oh I see you embody the word every day on gfy. Moralistic hypocrite.

yes, she does look young!

You claim to know about morals next??? Duh? :1orglaugh Coming from a purveyor of "little girl fucking" fantasies for pedos - that's classic :pimp

shee looks too young to me. i think that mostly pedos would signup for her site.

If that?s the case then ratio for the number of paedophiles per head of population should be adjusted to 1 in 4.

At the age of 15 Anna Kournikova?s short skirts were being chased around tennis courts by the eyes of millions, were they all paedophiles.

I suggest something other than paedophilia is at work here. Maybe a natural male attraction to cute young girls.

she does convert very well :thumbsup

You pimped your wife out on the net...that means you sold YOUR soul out to the devil also doesn't it?

You see how people can twist shit around?

that is a sad site in so many ways... legal or not

what people like aaronm would do for a bit money.. you guys are sad.

Never knew you were an evangelical nutjob BVF :winkwink:

Never had a problem or looked upon models as "pimping" - that thinking only seemed to enter the adult biz with the online element.

A couple of the best shooters ever for erotic content had wives who were models and there sure was no aura of selling your soul or pimping - these guys were shit hot and got credit along with their wives/models. One of em was my "mentor" for shooter stuff and, tho he has since died, he has respect from all who knew him and his public following - and his legacy lives on. These guys would never touch this stuff with two pairs of rubber gloves on - they had judgement.

The difference here is we are hitting close to kid stuff - sure, it's not *real CP*, but styled that way and pandering to a pedo market. Next will be portrayals of eight year olds and webmasters saying she converts well :pimp

damn ! she looks like 12 for fuck sake! :)

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Exactly the words that came out of the mouth of two law people who saw the imaging fetishHIT. Tho one thought she was even younger..

We know Lupe is a 20 something, (and she is a good model), but the public don't see this - all they see is a kid. On one side, the adult industry verbalizes over distancing itself from CP, but on the other, it portrays a version of CP by tarting up the girl to look like 12 ish. It's a joke - and kinda sad.

It's a fantasy.

We sell fantasies.

If it bothers you, sell a different fantasy.

There's LOTS.

If she's over the age of 18, I don't care if they put her in pampers. She is still a legal ADULT. Everything else ranges on biased feelings, which I hope never become the basis of law.

im 0:151 with LL since i started promoting her last week.

I am not saying it's right or wrong, but, wouldn't you who are complaining rather have Pedos join a legal site to satisfy their sick needs than a site where an actual child has been abused?

My point exactly...YOU never had a problem or looked upon models as "pimping", HOWEVER, people have and still do get pandering charges put on them...

Just like OTHERS never had a problem or looked upon LEGAL models as CP...

the point is that it's just an OPINION, which means absolutely nothing if the whole thing is legal....

You go off this board and into the real world and tell people that you sling porn, moved to tax free costa rica, and fuck women in a country that is notorious for prostitution, ESPECIALLY child prostitution and see how quickly the general public would nail you to the cross....

The public... hmmm..

I remember when Rolling Stone magazine put the (then underage) Olsen Twins on their cover with the title "America's favourite fantasy" under them.

Now *that* was something that pissed me off when I saw it.

Pure and simple, like many have said, the line is LEGAL - as long as she is 18, what she does, wears, and plays with is completely up to her. And I have no problem with it.

BUT....to say she is not photographed (and dressed, placed in sets, given props) to appear as young as possible is bullshit, Stevie Wonder can see that much.

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Well put.

she look so fucking good :)

Simple test BVF - ask the "average member of the public" if they ever considered modeling as pimping? Modelling has nothing to do with pimping.

It's not really much about "opinions" - what I think does not matter. It is blatantly clear that this trash is specifically tailored/styled to portray a "kid". Why would that be??? To appeal to MILF lovers???

Get your point, but can't see that standing up too well in reality. There are laws prohibiting using adults as kids in porn scenarios and I'd hate to even begin in front of a jury of "average members of the public" and tell them - "No, it's all legal really - I've got a copy of her passport here" while the prosecution are flashing images of a 12 year old with a cock in her mouth. It's too absurd :)

On the possible public opinion about me, tho diverting a bit from the subject and little could I care less ...

On the contrary BVF - many people know exactly what I do in real life and that is not a problem. I've never ran this anything other than a business and have used judgement on this for decades. The tax free element was never an issue and irrelevant - believe me *lol*

On the prostitution element - know little about it, but there is a positive aspect to this in that it is legal and may be better to have this out in the open than try and stuff it under the carpet and pretend it does not exist. There are apparently "health checks" and other controls which keep pimping out of the scenario. Can't say, but sounds like a possibly sensible way to treat the "world's oldest profession".

On child abuse... totally different story. If you have visited here - you may have read the airline entry ticket - with a promise of 16 years in a jail cell for child-related offenses. They seem rarer at the present time, but the main cause of this problem are "tourists" who think they can forget the law, but end up on a US Marshal air flight each Thursday back to the US for prosecution. If the US does not agree to prosecute - they are tried here. Don't even dream the common fallacy that people can land in whatever country, abuse kids at their leisure and bugger off back home without penalties - it's a tourist myth and perps are tracked wherever they go via the regional Interpol offices.

Hell.. that has nothing to do with the "adult entertainment industry" and it's relationship with the "pedo entertainment industry"...

JMO... but i personally have shot ...performed in and created some of the most twisted stuff out there .. provided models for some of max Hardcore's craziest shoots .. and I in this day and time of adult content and what I have learned and experienced .. would not shoot this model in anything .. personally you just have to draw the line .. and having her work in any of my content would be a moral crossing I just couldn't do .. I 100% believe she is of age .. and that's never been my concern ...she just looks to young ..I can't believe i am saying that .. but yeah she just looks to damn young ..making a model look young .. and even act and say their younger than they are is one thing ....guys will try and believe the story ...but in this specific models case ... i can't even imagine her being of age .. sorry Just my opinion ..

I know Jesus loves Little Lupe :)

http://jesuslovesteens.com/images/lupe1/12.jpg

This site clearly targets pedos... good job!

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Post in message boards and let stooges do the rest


Brilliant !


FYI

Pedos are not too happy about girls with sexual experience it takes away their "in control of the innocent" kicks. This is a dirty old man site dreaming about the old days, nothing more nothing less.

Sad and rich and I am perfect OK with that. Being sad and having nothing = suicide - or am I getting it wrong again? :)

Aaron is a class A photog who has done excellent work for us. You don't know what you're talking about obviously.

I love rebills !! :) :) :) :) :) :thumbsup :thumbsup

Hey Chris, you thinking of pairing her up with Summer, Chloe or any of the twins? Those would be great cross promos :)

Little Lupe is my best coverting site at 1:157. What's the problem?

Man I wish there were decent promotional videos for this girl :(