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01-30-2003, 04:56 PM

Ok, got a question for Americans about this whole Iraq Issue. I am Canadian and don't quite understand it.

People say Iraq are terrorists.
1) What acts of war has Iraq done on US soil?

2) This whole conflict has some roots in US building bases on Muslim holy hand, That pissed off a lot of people. Would not Americans be pissed if Iraq went and build military bases on the land of the washington monument or such? (I know, not quite the same, but similar)?

3) Are not countries allowed to have weapons of mass destruction? The US has a lot, Japan, etc. Why does the US have the rights to Rule Who has Weapons and Who doesn't? What justification do they have to control other countries?

4) Why does the Homeland Security Act Cover the People responsible for the terrorist attacks? 15/16 or was it 16/16 of the people on the airplanes were from Saudi Arabia, but people from all the other countries are being put through shit while Saundi Arabians don't have to go through anything extra? Why is that?

5) What Acts of War has the US done on Iraqi soil? (Sortof a spinoff of question 1)

6) If you found out Canada has weapons of mass destruction, would you bomb us?

7) Why do I constantly hear Iraq being called terrorists? What acts of Terror did they commit to Americans Outside of War times?

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01-30-2003, 04:59 PM

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01-30-2003, 05:01 PM

not to piss on your parade, but japan doesn't have any WMD

yet
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01-30-2003, 05:01 PM

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not to piss on your parade, but japan doesn't have any WMD

yet

I was pretty sure Japan was doing some nucleur testing a few years ago. I will have to look into that more.
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01-30-2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by ZoiNk

6) If you found out Canada has weapons of mass destruction, would you bomb us?

Yeap, they would and since we are the no 1 supplier of Oil ( unbelievable, but true...) that would justify...

On the other hand, that would get us rid of Chretien...

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01-30-2003, 05:07 PM

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I was pretty sure Japan was doing some nucleur testing a few years ago. I will have to look into that more.
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I stand corrected, I can not find any info on Japan containing any nucleur weapons at the moment. They have a lot of nucleur stuff, just not their own nucleus weapons from the google search I did. I did find this interesting. If Iraq had this, the UN weapons inspectors would probably shit their pants:

By the year 2000 Japan will have an inventory of about 55 tonnes of separated reactor grade plutonium. It should be noted that this is enough plutonium to manufacture ~10,000 warheads, more than the combined nominal arsenals of the U.S. and Russia combined under START II.

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01-30-2003, 05:08 PM

A bit of info on nuclear weapons. Obviously , North Korea is absent... and so is Iraq.

Russia 20,000
United States 10,000
France 450
China 400
United Kingdom 185
Israel 100-200
India 50-80
Pakistan 10-25
Total ~31,000

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01-30-2003, 05:14 PM

What acts of war has Iraq done on US soil?

none that have been proven publically by the Shrub administration, but the bulk of the american populace seems ready to follow our warmongering president right off the edge of a cliff... its funny really, to watch Shrub insist on attacking Iraq even w/ no evidence apparent, and try to convince the general public that the lack of evidence itself is damning in some way... whereas N. Korea is publically giving the US the old , and we don't do a thing... an invasion of N. Korea would not garner anything black and wet for Shrub and his cronies to put on their ill-gotten salad... makes me sick..

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01-30-2003, 05:15 PM

12 years ago,.Iraq invaded Kuwait.They refused to leave.They lost the war and as a part of the terms..they were ordered to disarm their weapons of mass destruction.

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01-30-2003, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Minte
12 years ago,.Iraq invaded Kuwait.They refused to leave.They lost the war and as a part of the terms..they were ordered to disarm their weapons of mass destruction.

Besides that, we're the fucking USA.......we do what we want when we want and nobody can stop us. That president that you look down on and call a fool has the ability to snuff you and your country out with the press of a button. The whole world should had better start kissing a little ass or I'm gonna tell Bush that you all have been dissing him.
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01-30-2003, 05:21 PM

Truth be told. Saddam is just as dangerous as Hitler. If France and England did not turn their backs on Hitler WWII might never have happened.

Still the US could go back to it's isolationist stance of pre WWII and say WTF not our problem. I think we would do that if not for two things.

Fear that if we do not deal with Saddam his chemical, biological or nuclear weapons might end up here.

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01-30-2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Wilbo

Besides that, we're the fucking USA.......we do what we want when we want and nobody can stop us. That president that you look down on and call a fool has the ability to snuff you and your country out with the press of a button. The whole world should had better start kissing a little ass or I'm gonna tell Bush that you all have been dissing him.

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01-30-2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Probono
Saddam is just as dangerous as Hitler.

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01-30-2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Probono
Truth be told. Saddam is just as dangerous as Hitler. If France and England did not turn their backs on Hitler WWII might never have happened.

Still the US could go back to it's isolationist stance of pre WWII and say WTF not our problem. I think we would do that if not for two things.

Fear that if we do not deal with Saddam his chemical, biological or nuclear weapons might end up here.

and

two black gold, texas tea Bush is an oil addict

Kinda like the US being the only country to Use Nukes, not once but Twice!

And your Saddam to Hilter Comparison is quite amusing. I hear Bush Compared to Hitler by almost everyone I know. Very Interesting Indead.
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01-30-2003, 05:28 PM

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Reasons for war.

#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country.

#2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President.

#3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces.

#4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that.

#5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA.

#6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions.

#7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies.

#8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next.

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01-30-2003, 05:28 PM

Zoink your knowledge of International Relations and world current events is pretty sad.

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01-30-2003, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI
Zoink your knowledge of International Relations and world current events is pretty sad.

Go pop open a Labatts, watch the McKennzy brothers movie, and say your prayers the USA is watching out for your ass.

I have already been told I come across as uneducated in this thread. I am a pornographer, not a writer.
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01-30-2003, 05:33 PM

Go pop open a Labatts, watch the McKennzy brothers movie, and say your prayers the USA is watching out for your ass.

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01-30-2003, 05:33 PM

And your Saddam to Hilter Comparison is quite amusing. I hear Bush Compared to Hitler by almost everyone I know. Very Interesting Indead.

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Come on dude. Wake up!

Hitler exterminated millions of people in his own country, he gassed the Jews, Gays, Slavs and anyome who did not agree with him. ( Saddam has done the same, including killing dissidents first hand. Bush has not done anything like this)

Hitler invaded other countries looking for more space, and world conquest. ( Saddam has done same in Kuwait, and Iran. Bush has not, nor does the US)

Are all people in Canada as ignorant as you Zoinks? You should be ashames of yourself for compairing Bush to Hilter, and thining Saddam is an Arab Mother Terresa.

It amazes me how ignorant people can be....

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01-30-2003, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI
watch the McKennzy brothers movie,

Who?????

Originally posted by Mike AI
and say your prayers the USA is watching out for your ass.

I let Georgie take care of praying ... It gets us roid of the "evil"

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01-30-2003, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI

anyome who did not agree with him.

Sounds like Georgie....

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01-30-2003, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI

Are all people in Canada as ignorant as you Zoinks? You should be ashames of yourself for compairing Bush to Hilter, and thining Saddam is an Arab Mother Terresa.

I am not saying Saddam is Anything Pleasant. He is a Very wile and horrid leader. There are many of them in the world. Many countries kill innocent people by order of their leaders. I just feel the UN should deal with it and not have the US policing the world for their own intersts. The UN is built for the interests of the whole, not just one nation.
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01-30-2003, 05:40 PM

Zoinks, I know many pornographers - I am one as well. But I take interest in current affairs, foreign policy, and of course HISTORY.

That is what amazes me the most, is that the adage about Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

Appeasement of dictators does NOT work!!! It never has, and never will.

This is a lesson that has continued to be played out through the 20th Century.

Where is Winston Churchill when we need him? He was a man of vision, and courage.... and a great student of history.

I am in the middle of this book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

I was not the biggest fan of FDR before I started this book, but have started to appreciate his vision and leadership, especially the years prior and during WWII .

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01-30-2003, 05:43 PM

The UN is a joke, and if they do not get ahead of the curve on the Iraq issue will collapse and lose any credibility it had. The UN is quickly going to be put on the ashheap of history like the League of Nations...

Zionk, Fiesta - know anything about the League of Nations? ( quick run a search on google... )

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01-30-2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI
Zoinks, I know many pornographers - I am one as well. But I take interest in current affairs, foreign policy, and of course HISTORY.

That is what amazes me the most, is that the adage about Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

Appeasement of dictators does NOT work!!! It never has, and never will.

This is a lesson that has continued to be played out through the 20th Century.

Where is Winston Churchill when we need him? He was a man of vision, and courage.... and a great student of history.

I am in the middle of this book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

I was not the biggest fan of FDR before I started this book, but have started to appreciate his vision and leadership, especially the years prior and during WWII .

I have been a student of war so of course I spent some time studying the Second World War. For the most part the cream rose to the top, among our civilian as well as our military leaders (with a few exceptions), during the Second World War.

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01-30-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by jammyjenkins
not to piss on your parade, but japan doesn't have any WMD

yet

Yup until bush finds out about this.

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01-30-2003, 05:51 PM

I have been a student of war so of course I spent some time studying the Second World War. For the most part the cream rose to the top, among our civilian as well as our military leaders (with a few exceptions) during the Second World War.

I agree with that 100%. The WWII Generation are indeed the great generation of Americans ( with the exception of maybe our Founding Fathers).

This generation went through great depression, fought and WON a World War on 2 major fronts. Then rebuilt our enemies, fought the Cold War against Communism, Won that - and have helped lay the ground work for the majority of peace and prosperity the world enjoys today.

My only knock the the generation is they spoiled their children, and created the modern generations who are looking for handouts, looking for gov't assitence, blaming everyone for their problems, not taking personal responibility, etc.... etc...

In a way we the current Generations are still living off of what the WWII Generation created....

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01-30-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI
The UN is a joke, and if they do not get ahead of the curve on the Iraq issue will collapse and lose any credibility it had. The UN is quickly going to be put on the ashheap of history like the League of Nations...

Zionk, Fiesta - know anything about the League of Nations? ( quick run a search on google... )

Take a look at what inspectors were doing in 1996 in Iraq... You are so educated, you should know. That is why they were expelled....

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Some time in the 1996?98 time frame, UNSCOM's intelligence gathering took a major turn. If the Washington Post's sources are accurate, U.S. spies, working under cover as UNSCOM technicians, installed minute listening devices in innocuous-looking monitoring equipment that UNSCOM placed in Iraqi facilities. The information acquired was relayed to Baghdad and then to a CIA post in Bahrain that beamed it to National Security Agency headquarters at Fort Meade.

Britain and Israel were relieved of their decryption duties, and within UNSCOM, access to information produced by the listening devices was tightly controlled by Washington. If U.S. explanations given in March are accurate, Ekeus and his successor, Richard Butler, were not in the loop. The person with the fullest access to the information was said to be Charles Duelfer, the deputy to both directors and a former director of the U.S. State Department's Center for Defense Industry Trade, and a person undoubtedly equipped with a high-level security clearance. Washington's "help" had turned into virtual total control of the information collected by the listening devices.

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01-30-2003, 05:56 PM

I dont know why everyone thinks that America is saying that no one should have weapons of mass destruction. The UN said that Iraq cant have these weapons. The USA simply enforces (or tries to enforce) the sanctions on Iraq. Just because Iraq hasnt done anything on American soil doesnt mean they arent terrorists. Saddam used nerve gas during the Gulf war. And as stupid as it sounds, there are rules to war. You can use nerve gas. Not to mention that Iraq has used these things on their own people. Iraq needs to be dealt with before this gets out of hand. Mike AI, you are correct. I couldnt have said it any better. Appeasement doesnt work. Too many tree huggers just want to let these people do whatever they want.

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01-30-2003, 05:59 PM

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01-30-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

Take a look at what inspectors were doing in 1996 in Iraq... You are so educated, you should know. That is why they were expelled....

====================
Some time in the 1996?98 time frame, UNSCOM's intelligence gathering took a major turn. If the Washington Post's sources are accurate, U.S. spies, working under cover as UNSCOM technicians, installed minute listening devices in innocuous-looking monitoring equipment that UNSCOM placed in Iraqi facilities. The information acquired was relayed to Baghdad and then to a CIA post in Bahrain that beamed it to National Security Agency headquarters at Fort Meade.

Britain and Israel were relieved of their decryption duties, and within UNSCOM, access to information produced by the listening devices was tightly controlled by Washington. If U.S. explanations given in March are accurate, Ekeus and his successor, Richard Butler, were not in the loop. The person with the fullest access to the information was said to be Charles Duelfer, the deputy to both directors and a former director of the U.S. State Department's Center for Defense Industry Trade, and a person undoubtedly equipped with a high-level security clearance. Washington's "help" had turned into virtual total control of the information collected by the listening devices.

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01-30-2003, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by theking

Well known and old information.

Still true....

A few on the board here should read and acquire a bit of knowledge before typing their idioties....

BTW, if Powell proves ( like in court: without any doubt) that Sadam Hussein has ( concealing them) or is developping weapons of mass destruction ( I don't mean popsicle sticks or aluminium tubes), I would press on the button attack without any reserve....

Can Bush be as crystal clear as Kennedy ( I don't mean his thinking, but showing the facts)?

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01-30-2003, 06:24 PM

If this was about oil, we would make a deal with Saddam to buy all of it cheap. He is selling it on black market for much less then it goes on open market. We could turn off sanctions, make a deal with Saddam and he would pump as much oil as we wanted to buy.

Of course with that money he would contnue to work on weapons of mass desruction, mennace neighbors and try to control the entire region.

But you know if it was JUST about oil, that would be good enough reason for me... most wars are fought over economic issues. Free flow of oil is one of the things worth fighting for. Oil is the fuel of democracy and free markets. Not only for cars, but electricty, all plastics, etc... OIL is the basis for almost everything people in the modern world do...

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01-30-2003, 06:26 PM

DirectFiesta, I am in agreement with you. Bush with Powell needs to lay out direct, irrefutable evidence of the violations of the agreements set by the UN. Weapons of Mass Destruction, support for Al Quada, and anything else.

They do not have to release everything, but we need enough to convince those sitting on the fence. No matter what they will not be able to convince everyone - there is always a fringe group...

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01-30-2003, 06:26 PM

Waaaaaaaaaaa!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! I am tired of all this crying that goes on about the US. "Its too powerful" "They throw their weight around" "Only in it for themselves" "Only in it for oil" Blah Blah Blah. Until your country needs something, then who do you ask for help? Thats right, the USA. So quit the bitching.

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01-30-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI
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01-30-2003, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by ab1183
Waaaaaaaaaaa!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! I am tired of all this crying that goes on about the US. "Its too powerful" "They throw their weight around" "Only in it for themselves" "Only in it for oil" Blah Blah Blah. Until your country needs something, then who do you ask for help? Thats right, the USA. So quit the bitching.

Never did up to now..... We try to mind our own business and not establish any military governments in other countries....

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01-30-2003, 06:33 PM

Yes, we should mind our own business with some things. But this is one thing that we should get involved in.

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01-30-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by ZoiNk
Ok, got a question for Americans about this whole Iraq Issue. I am Canadian and don't quite understand it.

People say Iraq are terrorists.
1) What acts of war has Iraq done on US soil?

2) This whole conflict has some roots in US building bases on Muslim holy hand, That pissed off a lot of people. Would not Americans be pissed if Iraq went and build military bases on the land of the washington monument or such? (I know, not quite the same, but similar)?

3) Are not countries allowed to have weapons of mass destruction? The US has a lot, Japan, etc. Why does the US have the rights to Rule Who has Weapons and Who doesn't? What justification do they have to control other countries?

4) Why does the Homeland Security Act Cover the People responsible for the terrorist attacks? 15/16 or was it 16/16 of the people on the airplanes were from Saudi Arabia, but people from all the other countries are being put through shit while Saundi Arabians don't have to go through anything extra? Why is that?

5) What Acts of War has the US done on Iraqi soil? (Sortof a spinoff of question 1)

6) If you found out Canada has weapons of mass destruction, would you bomb us?

7) Why do I constantly hear Iraq being called terrorists? What acts of Terror did they commit to Americans Outside of War times?

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The bias in your question is pretty obvious - I doubt you were looking for serious answers - a few are just nonsense anyway...

BUT - to basicly answer your question(s) - because we have learned from history - we are determined not to repeat past mistakes - and because we are not cowards - we realize if we don't do it, and do it now, no one else will, and later might be too late - for not only the US - but even it's critics and even those so low as to call our President a moran.

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01-30-2003, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by DavePlays

a moran.

it's moron ... Look in the dictionary under bush ....

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01-30-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

Still true....

A few on the board here should read and acquire a bit of knowledge before typing their idioties....

BTW, if Powell proves ( like in court: without any doubt) that Sadam Hussein has ( concealing them) or is developping weapons of mass destruction ( I don't mean popsicle sticks or aluminium tubes), I would press on the button attack without any reserve....

Can Bush be as crystal clear as Kennedy ( I don't mean his thinking, but showing the facts)?

During the first round of inspections after after the first gulf war, Iraq admitted that they had x number of tons/liters etc. of different types of chemical and different types of biological materials on hand as well as x number of chemical rockets/artillary rounds. The first round of inspections over saw the destruction of much of this material and weapons, but they were not allowed to finish the job. Iraq has now said that they took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining weapons and materials since 1998. They do not have the documentation to prove this and said that they destroyed the documentation when they destroyed the materials and weapons. Even if it were true that they destroyed the documentation of the destruction of the materials and weapons there would still be the physical evidence of the destruction of the these materials and weapons, which they have failed to present evidence of. There would also be those scientists and engineers etc. that would have been involved in the destruction of these materials and Iraq has failed to present these people that would have been involved in the destruction of the materials and weapons. Bottom line is they had chemical and biological materials and weapons, admitted that they had them, the first round of inpsections oversaw the destruction of much of the materials and weapons, but they were kicked out before the remaining materials and weapons were destroyed, and Iraq has yet to present one iota of proof that they in fact took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining chemical and biological materials and weapons, thus without proof that they did in fact destroy them (which is their burden as imposed in the last UN resolution) we the US and anyone with an ounce of brains must assume that they still have them, and may have even produced more of them since 1998.

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01-30-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

it's moron ... Look in the dictionary under bush ....

pardon my typo... but you made my point.

it's getting old man - like school yard name calling ya know?

is that the ONLY point you found you could address?

never mind - just a wait a week or two - you'll have all kinds of new names to start calling people soon.

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01-30-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by ZoiNk

I am not saying Saddam is Anything Pleasant. He is a Very wile and horrid leader. There are many of them in the world. Many countries kill innocent people by order of their leaders. I just feel the UN should deal with it and not have the US policing the world for their own intersts. The UN is built for the interests of the whole, not just one nation.
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The UN is joke plain and simple. ANy governing body that would make Lybia the Head of the Human Rights Commission is either insane, or a joke. You pick which one you like.

Moreover, they will be creating a disarmament body in the next few months, and Iraq is scheduled to be the head of that commission. I am NOT joking.....

If the inspectors found a nuclear lab tomorrow you'd say, "SEE!! Inspections Work"

FoxNews last night reported that in an opinoin poll that was done in Canada 84% beleive that the US brought Sept 11th upon itself. So there is no use in try to sway anyone. You beleive what you like.

What will the World do, when the Iraqi's are dancing in the street??

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01-30-2003, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by theking

During the first round of inspections after after the first gulf war, Iraq admitted that they had x number of tons/liters etc. of different types of chemical and different types of biological materials on hand as well as x number of chemical rockets/artillary rounds. The first round of inspections over saw the destruction of much of this material and weapons, but they were not allowed to finish the job. Iraq has now said that they took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining weapons and materials since 1998. They do not have the documentation to prove this and said that they destroyed the documentation when they destroyed the materials and weapons. Even if it were true that they destroyed the documentation of the destruction of the materials and weapons there would still be the physical evidence of the destruction of the these materials and weapons, which they have failed to present evidence of. There would also be those scientists and engineers etc. that would have been involved in the destruction of these materials and Iraq has failed to present these people that would have been involved in the destruction of the materials and weapons. Bottom line is they had chemical and biological materials and weapons, admitted that they had them, the first round of inpsections oversaw the destruction of much of the materials and weapons, but they were kicked out before the remaining materials and weapons were destroyed, and Iraq has yet to present one iota of proof that they in fact took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining chemical and biological materials and weapons, thus without proof that they did in fact destroy them (which is their burden as imposed in the last UN resolution) we the US and anyone with an ounce of brains must assume that they still have them, and may have even produced more of them since 1998.

Dude... you obviously know what you are talking about...

But sadly, as you've probably already found out - using facts on this topic is like trying to nail a slab of Jell-O to the wall. It just won't stick. Some of these poor fools are just never going to see this for the reality it is - it seems the Government has pretty much decided just to humor them - we should probably do the same.

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01-30-2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by theking

During the first round of inspections after after the first gulf war, Iraq admitted that they had x number of tons/liters etc. of different types of chemical and different types of biological materials on hand as well as x number of chemical rockets/artillary rounds. The first round of inspections over saw the destruction of much of this material and weapons, but they were not allowed to finish the job. Iraq has now said that they took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining weapons and materials since 1998. They do not have the documentation to prove this and said that they destroyed the documentation when they destroyed the materials and weapons. Even if it were true that they destroyed the documentation of the destruction of the materials and weapons there would still be the physical evidence of the destruction of the these materials and weapons, which they have failed to present evidence of. There would also be those scientists and engineers etc. that would have been involved in the destruction of these materials and Iraq has failed to present these people that would have been involved in the destruction of the materials and weapons. Bottom line is they had chemical and biological materials and weapons, admitted that they had them, the first round of inpsections oversaw the destruction of much of the materials and weapons, but they were kicked out before the remaining materials and weapons were destroyed, and Iraq has yet to present one iota of proof that they in fact took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining chemical and biological materials and weapons, thus without proof that they did in fact destroy them (which is their burden as imposed in the last UN resolution) we the US and anyone with an ounce of brains must assume that they still have them, and may have even produced more of them since 1998.

Your point is logical ... and I agree that they should be able to show proof of destructions.

On the other hand, most of their facilities were destroyed by bombing.

This is were the " proof" comes in. If your president hadn't repeated time after time that he had undisputable proof, it would be easier for the US to convince countries. But he did shoot his mouth off... shifting the burden of proof. Now, he has to put the goods on the table....

A bit like the Cloneaid thing. She said they had done it, that it was arriving, they would present it to the media within 10 days. Tonight, she said they have a new one in Japan and will show it soon,....

Looks a bit like the carrot in front of the donkey ... on a stick!

I think Sadam Hussein is dispisable, an animal, but I think that of a few people ( my immediate neighboor) and I cannot just wipe them off the face of the earth on rumors that they are ....

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01-30-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

Still true....

A few on the board here should read and acquire a bit of knowledge before typing their idioties....

BTW, if Powell proves ( like in court: without any doubt) that Sadam Hussein has ( concealing them) or is developping weapons of mass destruction ( I don't mean popsicle sticks or aluminium tubes), I would press on the button attack without any reserve....

Can Bush be as crystal clear as Kennedy ( I don't mean his thinking, but showing the facts)?

I of course do not know what crystal clear proof may or may not exist such as photographs, but I do know that if we have black and white proof and presented that proof (even in secret to "allies") that information would have a good chance of being leaked and what are now targets would be dispersed and hidden so the opportunity to take them out will have been lost and as a result they could be used against our forces.

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01-30-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by theking

During the first round of inspections after after the first gulf war, Iraq admitted that they had x number of tons/liters etc. of different types of chemical and different types of biological materials on hand as well as x number of chemical rockets/artillary rounds. The first round of inspections over saw the destruction of much of this material and weapons, but they were not allowed to finish the job. Iraq has now said that they took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining weapons and materials since 1998. They do not have the documentation to prove this and said that they destroyed the documentation when they destroyed the materials and weapons. Even if it were true that they destroyed the documentation of the destruction of the materials and weapons there would still be the physical evidence of the destruction of the these materials and weapons, which they have failed to present evidence of. There would also be those scientists and engineers etc. that would have been involved in the destruction of these materials and Iraq has failed to present these people that would have been involved in the destruction of the materials and weapons. Bottom line is they had chemical and biological materials and weapons, admitted that they had them, the first round of inpsections oversaw the destruction of much of the materials and weapons, but they were kicked out before the remaining materials and weapons were destroyed, and Iraq has yet to present one iota of proof that they in fact took it upon themselves to destroy the remaining chemical and biological materials and weapons, thus without proof that they did in fact destroy them (which is their burden as imposed in the last UN resolution) we the US and anyone with an ounce of brains must assume that they still have them, and may have even produced more of them since 1998.

So where are the weaapons? Some proof that any actually exist might be nice.
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01-30-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by ChrisH

FoxNews last night reported that in an opinoin poll that was done in Canada 84% beleive that the US brought Sept 11th upon itself. So there is no use in try to sway anyone. You beleive what you like.

Foxnews... That's your source! They polled people after "Joe Millionnaire" or another crappy reality or cop show...

You are on the right track: alienate another country, then wonder why people are anti-american.

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01-30-2003, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by theking

I of course do not know what crystal clear proof may or may not exist such as photographs, but I do know that if we have black and white proof and presented that proof (even in secret to "allies") that information would have a good chance of being leaked and what are now targets would be dispersed and hidden so the opportunity to take them out will have been lost and as result could be used against our forces.

Doubtfull. It could be leaked, but with the military power of the US, plus the UK and the tactical support of all arab states plus the political support of the rest of the world, Iraq would be on it's knees within a week.

You are saying that you are going to send a suspect to the gas chamber because YOU ( the US gov, not you personally) have the evidence and proof, but cannot divulge it . That should be enough.

In real court, they have witness protection program to get the proof on the table.

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