per trial versus partnership - GoFuckYourself.com

kinkyplace · 08-23-2002, 12:49 AM

I'm in a 60/40 partnership and now that sponsor introduces a "per-trial" option. When I look back at my stats I see that I would have made more money using the per-trial option, but I'm reluctant to switch. I mean, they must have gone over their stats thousands of times before introducing this new option and they must have figured out that they're going to profit anyway. So unless they're crazy or unless I send shitty traffic, in the long run I should be better off staying in the 60/40, right? Any thoughts on this?

InsaneMidget · 08-23-2002, 12:52 AM

Not really. This doesn't make sense, you just answered yourself.

You said you would have made more money with the per signup, why the fuck wouldn't you switch? Some people do better with partnership and some do better with per signup. Depends on a lot of things.

MarkTiarra · 08-23-2002, 12:53 AM

The answer depends on the retention rate of the site you are sending to. Usually a 60/40 will make you more money and them less IN THE LONG RUN. But, if their retention of members is only a couple month's on average then your 60% might not ad up to whatever the per sign payout is.

Brown Bear · 08-23-2002, 12:53 AM

It depends on the sites you're promoting, but in my experience 60/40 revshare will make you more money in the long run.

BV · 08-23-2002, 12:57 AM

go partnership
with no trial
on a good site
word..................

kinkyplace · 08-23-2002, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by InsaneMidget
Not really. This doesn't make sense, you just answered yourself.

You said you would have made more money with the per signup, why the fuck wouldn't you switch? Some people do better with partnership and some do better with per signup. Depends on a lot of things.

Yes, I kind of answered myself because I wanted you to tell me if I have holes in my reasoning.

The reason I wouldn't switch is that I figured that they must have more data than I have, so if they are willing to pay per trial then I should have all reason to believe that I'll do better with partnership. Does that make sense?

Another thing is that in partnership it's easy to see all the trials that are dropping off and be annoyed at missed income, but if I switch to per-trial then I'll never see all those guys who faithfully pay month after month and I won't even know how much I missed...

Brown Bear · 08-23-2002, 01:26 AM

The thing with revshare is that you'll get lots of people who stay for only one month, but you also get people who stay members for 10 months.

The thing is, it takes a while to start seeing the benefits. You need to give it time to be able to see that revshare is better.

But revshare is only good if the site has good exclusive content. Like Blacks On Blondes or something like that.

SykkBoy · 08-23-2002, 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear
The thing with revshare is that you'll get lots of people who stay for only one month, but you also get people who stay members for 10 months.

The thing is, it takes a while to start seeing the benefits. You need to give it time to be able to see that revshare is better.

But revshare is only good if the site has good exclusive content. Like Blacks On Blondes or something like that.

anoher way to look at some revshare programs that have unique sites....even if you only made a couple bucks on a trial...that's a couple bucks you might not have made with another sponsor...that surfer might not have bought at a genric site, but you gave them something that sparked interest, but maybe not enough to keep them. This is why when evluating traffic, I figure the amount per click, based upon unique outclick counts.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2002, 02:50 AM

I will admit from the beginning that I do not understand how these rev shares and pay per sign ups work. But can someone explain to me how a site can give away 60% or $35 per sign up (for instance). lose 15% to the CC processor plus the 10% hold back. Then pay for.

Hosting.
Bandwidth.
Content.
Staff.
Advertising.
Equipment.
Rent.
Services.
EX's

Out of the 25% that is left?
Including the 10% that is held back for 6 months.
You deduct that and you are left with 15%

The figures do not add up. If I'm honest I would be giving away more money than I'm making.

Mind you I did see a thread from a guy who shaved. Because if he did not offer the amounts that were unprofitable he would not get the business, so he thought it was morally right to shave.

Can someone educate me please.

Brown Bear · 08-23-2002, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by charly
I will admit from the beginning that I do not understand how these rev shares and pay per sign ups work. But can someone explain to me how a site can give away 60% or $35 per sign up (for instance). lose 15% to the CC processor plus the 10% hold back. Then pay for.

Hosting.
Bandwidth.
Content.
Staff.
Advertising.
Equipment.
Rent.
Services.
EX's

Out of the 25% that is left?
Including the 10% that is held back for 6 months.
You deduct that and you are left with 15%

The figures do not add up. If I'm honest I would be giving away more money than I'm making.

Mind you I did see a thread from a guy who shaved. Because if he did not offer the amounts that were unprofitable he would not get the business, so he thought it was morally right to shave.

Can someone educate me please.

Its all about volume. Obviously you're not gonna be able to pay the bills if you're only making a few sales a day and getting only 25% of the revenue, but you'll be making big money if you making 100 sales a day. Its all about volume.

Paysites for the most part are full of fixed costs. Besides the extra bandwidth costs of more members, it generally costs just as much to run a paysite with 10 members as it does to run one with 10,000 members.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2002, 03:34 AM

Thanks Brown Bear, but do all the sites offering this HAVE 10,000 members?

We have clients who do and their content spend plus staff to run the site would make it dificult to pay this.

I'm going to do the figures on a site with 1,000 sets and see how it comes out.

But then if they are getting 50% direct from your own efforts or just not traceble, it does then start to add up. But then 50 sign ups a day @ a payout of $15 each = $750. Could employ a guy to do this 8 hours, 5 days a week for $100k a year = $400 a day.

Now I can see how it is affordable, for the same figure you get (50?) guys breaking their backs to send you traffic and all you have to pay is the bandwidth on the "poor" quality traffic.

But I can employ someone here for $6,000 a year to do it.

The figures are my own, as I said, and pure guess work.

Just trying to learn more about the new avenue of porn we are working in.

Brown Bear · 08-23-2002, 03:47 AM

Like I said before, its all about volume.

bawdy · 08-23-2002, 04:23 AM

charly i dont know jack but a paysite may have other revenue streams than just the subscription...

upsells in the members areas, plus all the pop-ups on tours and exits etc to other programs... pus optin email list subscriptions blah blah blah.... you get it...

paysites with good partnership/pay per sign affiliate programs are big traffic vacums... not that ive ever run one

SykkBoy · 08-23-2002, 12:38 PM

other income:
upsells within
crossbills
exits
own traffic (I know that in our program, we are our own biggest traffic senders)
multiple sites
email collection
links in cancel emails

with a partnership, there is less risk because you don't have the hitbotting hahahahas from per click and you don't have the carding bastards and the "click this link, sign up for the $3 trial, get the first sentence on the first page of members area, copy it down, cancel your membership and mail it to me and I'll give you accesws o my special area" cheaters from pay per signup....it becomes a bit easier to manage expenses.

the downside to a partnership program, webmasters don't send traffic to them. They will bitch about spammers being in it for the short term and then turn around and take the quick, short term cash of per signup (and usually make less in the long term)....

quiet · 08-23-2002, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear
Like I said before, its all about volume.

absolutely correct.

Kimmykim · 08-23-2002, 12:45 PM

My suggestion would be to split your traffic if they will let you - that way you can collect some money up front, but if they have good retention you also have something to bank on in case initial joins slow down for some reason.

08-23-2002, 12:49 AM	#1
kinkyplace Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 217	per trial versus partnership I'm in a 60/40 partnership and now that sponsor introduces a "per-trial" option. When I look back at my stats I see that I would have made more money using the per-trial option, but I'm reluctant to switch. I mean, they must have gone over their stats thousands of times before introducing this new option and they must have figured out that they're going to profit anyway. So unless they're crazy or unless I send shitty traffic, in the long run I should be better off staying in the 60/40, right? Any thoughts on this?

08-23-2002, 12:53 AM	#3
MarkTiarra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 3,833	The answer depends on the retention rate of the site you are sending to. Usually a 60/40 will make you more money and them less IN THE LONG RUN. But, if their retention of members is only a couple month's on average then your 60% might not ad up to whatever the per sign payout is. __________________ Retired Pornosticator

08-23-2002, 12:53 AM	#4
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	It depends on the sites you're promoting, but in my experience 60/40 revshare will make you more money in the long run. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

08-23-2002, 01:26 AM	#7
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	The thing with revshare is that you'll get lots of people who stay for only one month, but you also get people who stay members for 10 months. The thing is, it takes a while to start seeing the benefits. You need to give it time to be able to see that revshare is better. But revshare is only good if the site has good exclusive content. Like Blacks On Blondes or something like that. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

08-23-2002, 02:50 AM	#9
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I will admit from the beginning that I do not understand how these rev shares and pay per sign ups work. But can someone explain to me how a site can give away 60% or $35 per sign up (for instance). lose 15% to the CC processor plus the 10% hold back. Then pay for. Hosting. Bandwidth. Content. Staff. Advertising. Equipment. Rent. Services. EX's Out of the 25% that is left? Including the 10% that is held back for 6 months. You deduct that and you are left with 15% The figures do not add up. If I'm honest I would be giving away more money than I'm making. Mind you I did see a thread from a guy who shaved. Because if he did not offer the amounts that were unprofitable he would not get the business, so he thought it was morally right to shave. Can someone educate me please. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-23-2002, 12:52 AM	#2
InsaneMidget Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,767	Not really. This doesn't make sense, you just answered yourself. You said you would have made more money with the per signup, why the fuck wouldn't you switch? Some people do better with partnership and some do better with per signup. Depends on a lot of things.

08-23-2002, 12:57 AM	#5
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	go partnership with no trial on a good site word..................

08-23-2002, 03:34 AM	#11
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Thanks Brown Bear, but do all the sites offering this HAVE 10,000 members? We have clients who do and their content spend plus staff to run the site would make it dificult to pay this. I'm going to do the figures on a site with 1,000 sets and see how it comes out. But then if they are getting 50% direct from your own efforts or just not traceble, it does then start to add up. But then 50 sign ups a day @ a payout of $15 each = $750. Could employ a guy to do this 8 hours, 5 days a week for $100k a year = $400 a day. Now I can see how it is affordable, for the same figure you get (50?) guys breaking their backs to send you traffic and all you have to pay is the bandwidth on the "poor" quality traffic. But I can employ someone here for $6,000 a year to do it. The figures are my own, as I said, and pure guess work. Just trying to learn more about the new avenue of porn we are working in. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by charly; 08-23-2002 at 04:16 AM..

08-23-2002, 03:47 AM	#12
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Like I said before, its all about volume. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

08-23-2002, 04:23 AM	#13
bawdy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,424	charly i dont know jack but a paysite may have other revenue streams than just the subscription... upsells in the members areas, plus all the pop-ups on tours and exits etc to other programs... pus optin email list subscriptions blah blah blah.... you get it... paysites with good partnership/pay per sign affiliate programs are big traffic vacums... not that ive ever run one

08-23-2002, 12:38 PM	#14
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	other income: upsells within crossbills exits own traffic (I know that in our program, we are our own biggest traffic senders) multiple sites email collection links in cancel emails with a partnership, there is less risk because you don't have the hitbotting hahahahas from per click and you don't have the carding bastards and the "click this link, sign up for the $3 trial, get the first sentence on the first page of members area, copy it down, cancel your membership and mail it to me and I'll give you accesws o my special area" cheaters from pay per signup....it becomes a bit easier to manage expenses. the downside to a partnership program, webmasters don't send traffic to them. They will bitch about spammers being in it for the short term and then turn around and take the quick, short term cash of per signup (and usually make less in the long term).... __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

08-23-2002, 12:45 PM	#16
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	My suggestion would be to split your traffic if they will let you - that way you can collect some money up front, but if they have good retention you also have something to bank on in case initial joins slow down for some reason.