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booker · 08-21-2002, 09:03 PM

PB owe's me $200 and a PB tshirt.. not much at all, but I'll gladly give you half of it if you go collect. I'm not able to email/pm you.. drop me a message.

And I forget the nick, but someone pointed out that I had >3 lines of text in my signature, I apologize and it has been corrected.

klik · 08-21-2002, 09:33 PM

I want the front half of the shirt... you get the back..

Dildozer · 08-21-2002, 09:34 PM

You sound like a complete moron although i read your other post. You say PB changed the rules for the contest? fine, prove it and i might consider you a non-moron...

You're just throwing accusations that sound like wild ones right now, you should back your shit up around here. This kind of crap isn't tolerated if you don't have any proof.

booker · 08-21-2002, 09:59 PM

Dildozer

Right on, I have no qualms with providing proof.

The contest stated that you get a shirt after 100 posts, $100/mo after 1000 posts and the longest thread of the month gets $500.

I had racked up 2000 posts on the board, all of which would be tolerated here, about 50% of which were industry related, 20% of which were me defending myself from those who accused me of cheating, and the remaining 30% were bullshit.

Now, another guy and I had built up a huge thread, but it was mostly bullshit, but the rules didn't say anything against it. So we agreed to have it shut down, along with another long bullshit post started by Chris, a friend of Dave's.

When it comes to the end of the contest date, all of a sudden the thread by Chris is still in the running for the $500 prize, yet the one we started was not. At one point Dave puts the decision up to a vote, which there was no provision for in the rules.. and then decides to split the prize, to which everyone agreed finally.

The money ($250) has not yet been recieved by my friend who started that thread, 21 days into August after the contest ended.

Furthermore, after 2000 posts, I was banned for speaking out very loudly and admittedly unprofessionally and insultingly towards PB and the PB management. I was appalled by the way the entire situation was handled. It was a public board and the management was obviously not prepared to make decisions and judgements in a fair, unbiased manner.

Now that I have been banned Dave writes in an email to me:
"you were banned, you did not earn a check."
There were no provisions in the rules that a banned user is no longer entitled to the prize money earned based on posts made before being banned. This is called fraud.

Just a few minutes ago I got another email from Dave:
"This is your last warning...

You are slandering my program, I am contacting our lawyer first thing in the
morning.

If you do not stop you will have a cease and desist of slander letter in
your mail box
by next week.

We are a multi million dollar company, I will sue you for slander, this is
not something
to be taken lightly.

I have printed both your posts on GFY and have saved your emails also.

I have spent alot of money building up a name for my company, you will lose,
and I will
do it just to make your life difficult, never mind your legal fees you will
cover once
I win.

this is your last warning"

Well let's see... I made 2000 posts and didn't get a $200 check nor a tshirt, according to the PB rules. Is pointing that out slanderous? Sure I've said that he's unethical and a terrible business man, well, I've been treated in an unethical and terrible way. I said early on that if he tried to "screw" me out of it that I'd make the adult industry aware of his dirty dealings. This is not slander.

According to dictionary.com:

"slan·der Pronunciation Key (slndr)
n.
Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone."

Platinum Bucks, do you have a $200 check endorsed by me? Is my claim that you have not paid out according to your own terms and conditions false, and therefore slanderous??

Now I ask you, where is the burden of proof?

It's amazing to me that this all stems from a measly $200 prize.

TheDoc · 08-21-2002, 09:59 PM

I was more thinking slander than prove it...

That was some pretty harsh slander going on those other posts...

ZeRo55 · 08-21-2002, 10:01 PM

there were more than a few ppl involve din this, the thread that "won" wasnt bookers thread, it was one of his buddies, and they gave th eidea of splitting the money, even tho one thread was bigger, so booker got bent out of shape, then they changed the rules, and they complied and still won (by the rules) then they changed them again, an STILL won in most of th evoters eyes, the problem was, there was two spam threads, and they both got shutdown before the end of the month, leaving one non spam thread with the highest of all fo them (wich should win right?) but IN THE END the two parties (chris and wiley) mutually decided to SPLIT the winnings, and go on with there lives. thats a quick synapsis of what went on, on stage, im not 100% clear on the backstage efforts.

TheDoc · 08-21-2002, 10:13 PM

If you are trying to argue that what you posted is not slander then you should think again. If Dave did e-mail I would calm down some as you did say it's only $200.

With the $200 I don't know of a single program/site/giveaway that if you get banned, break the rules, cheat, ect that you still get the prize. I'm sure the same hold's true with this.

It sucks, yes. Some shit ya just gota live with.

booker · 08-21-2002, 10:13 PM

Here are Platinum Dave's words from the other thread..

"We pay people $100 when you reach 1000 posts, after we banned booker from our chat board, we decided to bad for you, why should we pay you for insulting half dozen people."

Why? Because the Platinum Bucks rules stated that $100 would be paid out for each 1000 posts, of which I had 2000, it didn't say anything about being banned afterwards.

If they banned everyone who reached 1000 posts they'd never have to pay out! That works out great for Platinum Bucks!

TheDoc · 08-21-2002, 10:16 PM

They didn't ban everyone though.

booker · 08-21-2002, 10:17 PM

No one else had 2000 posts, either. That isn't the point.

Dildozer · 08-21-2002, 10:23 PM

20% were replying to people accusing you of cheating???? Crikey! You have a problem matey! And i mean you set up the whole thing with a buddy to win the money. It certainly doesn't help thinking you're not a cheater with other webmaster programs either. Nice try but no cigar

Nedder · 08-21-2002, 10:25 PM

Go build yourself some sites and make real $$$. You've wasted so much of your time bitching and whining about a measely sum of contest money, who the fuck cares....learn from those fuckers you insult and make $1,000.

Nz

TheDoc · 08-21-2002, 10:27 PM

You said "If they banned everyone who reached 1000 posts they'd never have to pay out! That works out great for Platinum Bucks!".

They didn't ban everyone that reached 1000 posts or more. They did choose to ban you for the reasons posted. I personally don't care what the reasons are. I have seen people banned for less reasons on this board and other boards.

Fact is no money program, board, contest, or whatever would ever pay anyone after they have been removed from the system for whatever reason.

Chances are Dave could have delt with this in a different way as i'm sure you could have as well. At this point I think both parties should chill and talk about it over e-mail or just forget about it.

Bashing PB won't get ya far they have a good name and rep in this industry. They made a decession and that should be the end of it. Bashing them in public will only dig the hole deeper.

booker · 08-21-2002, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dildozer
20% were replying to people accusing you of cheating???? Crikey! You have a problem matey! And i mean you set up the whole thing with a buddy to win the money. It certainly doesn't help thinking you're not a cheater with other webmaster programs either. Nice try but no cigar

There were several groups of people setting up threads to win the prizes, it was commonplace on the board at the time.

And as far as cheating, I didn't cheat at all, everything was within the rules, each time they changed.

dacash · 08-21-2002, 10:29 PM

Hey thedoc, i'm not going to take anyones side, but what happened seems not fair for some parties. But when you say it's ONLY $250, Money is money, if you don't pay me what you owe me, whater it's $1 or $1000 i don't care, it's still the same thing.

If the rules of hte contest didn't say that if you get banned after earning your money that you are not getting paid, well tuff they have to pay.

One thing in this business is that people always take hte side of the court htat has the biggest wallet. Well no Multi-Million company has done anything for me. I don't care if you make $1 a month or $1 000 000 a month. You are equal to my eyes until prooven otherwise!

mrthumbs · 08-21-2002, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nedder
Go build yourself some sites and make real $$$.
Nz

Ahhhh.. so THAT's where the money is...

booker · 08-21-2002, 10:34 PM

Doc, you're very right.. it all could have been dealt with differently and believe me I tried, but when someone changes contest rules on a daily basis? There's a point where compromises turn into favoritism.

I'm not trying to "bash" PB necessarily.. I know many many people have a great business with them and they do very well, I am merely expressing my horrible experience with their management, I feel it is something that is rampant not only in this industry but all facets of business.. misunderstandings running away and becomming much bigger than they should ever get.

Tonight it was publically admitted that I was not paid for my posts, and that is worth $200 and a tshirt to me.

At any rate, that's all I am going to say on the matter. I've said my piece, if others are interested as to details or whatnot I can be contacted.

peace & respect

TheDoc · 08-21-2002, 10:35 PM

I look at it as the same as a money program. If you get canned from a money program you don't get paid. To me it falls under the same standards.

I don't agree with either side though, it's not my site, my program or my money ..... I careless

Done posting now

Sly_RJ · 08-21-2002, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheDoc
They didn't ban everyone that reached 1000 posts or more. They did choose to ban you for the reasons posted. I personally don't care what the reasons are. I have seen people banned for less reasons on this board and other boards.

You're missing his point. Basically he's saying that he had long surpassed the 1,000 post mark to earn his money, which apparently he didn't. And then, about 1,000 posts later (which had to take several days) he got banned. Well, what happened within the thousand post span?

TheDoc · 08-21-2002, 10:37 PM

I think it was a contest..From start to finish type thing..I could be wrong.

hehe wasnt the last post

booker · 08-21-2002, 10:45 PM

Contest.. rules are on the porno junkies site.

Highlights are:

"1. 1000, 2000, 3000 posts Giveaway:
Each registered user who reaches 1000 posts will receive $100. At one's 2000th post, one will also be given $100. Continuing this trend, each user who posts in 1000 post increments will receive $100. There is no ceiling or restrictions as to how many posts one is allowed to execute. Therefore, one may post, as many times as they want and the payouts will be according to 1000 post increments.

2. Longest Thread Per Month:
The registered user who posts the longest thread per month will receive $500. The month time frame is defined as 12:01 AM on the first of every month to 11:59 PM on the last day of each month. The registered user may only win this $500 prize once per six-month period. This does not count personal posts. You may post to your thread as many times as you want, but it will not go towards the total number of posts that will be counted towards this monthly contest.

Please note that the contest has an official start date of June 11, 2002. The ending date for the initial first month of this monthly contest will be July 31, 2002. Following this initial start date, August 1,2002 to September 1, 2002 will mark our monthly time frames as stated above."

While I was still a "registered user" ie pre-ban, I did not recieve payment for my 2000 posts. I hope this clears up what you weren't sure of.

Dildozer · 08-21-2002, 10:48 PM

well if you insulted them, you don't deserve a fuckin penny
i mean shit it's not like you made them money

08-21-2002, 10:48 PM

You sore loser. I am making $5 bucks a post, special deal with The Leader himself.

And you're whining about $200 ? Get a life and start working.

booker · 08-21-2002, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dildozer
well if you insulted them, you don't deserve a fuckin penny
i mean shit it's not like you made them money

Umm.. it was a publically offered contest. That's like saying that if you got a lottery ticket from a friend and won $15million but insulted the lottery system that they shouldn't pay you. It's called fraud.

booker · 08-21-2002, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
You sore loser. I am making $5 bucks a post, special deal with The Leader himself.

And you're whining about $200 ? Get a life and start working.

It isn't the money man, it's the principle.

Orenthal J Simpson · 08-22-2002, 05:02 AM

I just checked out that site and it does appear that Booker states the facts. I saw something about a vote to decide the winner and it looks as if your friend not only won the longest thread but when the board voted on who won it looks as if he won that too.

I saw several rule changes from what little I read and Booker I will have to agree with you that it looks like a scam of some sort. You guys appeared to be outcasts from day #1 and I also read that both you and your friend did seem to have not only the longest thread but also a pretty useful thread compared to most of the other content on that board. I saw those 2 closed threads in addition to the help thread you had talked about and it does appear quite unfair that the PB crew counted a thread that was closed in for the contest.

It is strange how a closed thread can win but since you were banned you get nothing? That shows me blantant favoritism and bias. Plat Bux may have a good reputation in the industry for now but if they continue to cross the line of professionalism like they have with the message board they will noth ave that good repuation long. Take it as a lesson learned and move on.

greentea · 08-22-2002, 05:17 AM

Oh who gives a rats ass?

Cut your losses and move da fuck on...

hahmike · 08-22-2002, 05:27 AM

trying to scare new webmasters into doing things is fucking pathetic and lame. in terms of unprofessionality, it doesn't get much lower than that.

pathetic.

Quote:

Originally posted by booker

Just a few minutes ago I got another email from Dave:
"This is your last warning...

You are slandering my program, I am contacting our lawyer first thing in the morning.

If you do not stop you will have a cease and desist of slander letter in your mail box by next week.

We are a multi million dollar company, I will sue you for slander, this is not something to be taken lightly.

I have printed both your posts on GFY and have saved your emails also.

I have spent alot of money building up a name for my company, you will lose, and I will do it just to make your life difficult, never mind your legal fees you will cover once I win.

this is your last warning"

Theo · 08-22-2002, 05:35 AM

No booker didn't say all the facts. When it was decided to have a vote about which thread is the winner he started attacking PB program and talking shit. So, Dave got very angry because of this and banned him. I wouldn't pay you either after this because you would have caused harm to my program on purpose like you did on PB and you still do. I gave you an advise back then and I'll telling you to read it again because it's obviously either you missed it or you ignored it. You had a claim back then which I supported too and I even voted you as a winner, but your behavior was very bad, rude and unprofessional. Re-evaluate your position man.

booker · 08-22-2002, 06:36 AM

Rebel: I had to back up my claims, now show me where in the rules a vote to determine the winner of the contest is provided for.

Sure I got abusive and insulting, I admit that and always will, but when someone tries over and over to screw for weeks at a stretch, I am going to be very vocal about it.

Turning an objective posting contest with rules into a popularity issue is about as unprofessional as you can get.

Rich J. · 08-22-2002, 07:45 AM

Booker... you haven't changed a bit have you? You were a whiney little bitch at Porno Junkies and your a whiney little bitch here.

Did you ever even send 1 visitor to a Platinum Bucks site? NO! So you have no business making any accusations against their program. Any beef you have is with the Porno Junkies messageboard, which to be honest has alot more reasons to have beef with you.

a1ka1ine · 08-22-2002, 07:57 AM

*sighs*

if you made a massive post designed to cheat the system, you cant expect to get a payout. dont take advantage of decent people making decent offers.

Platinum Albert · 08-22-2002, 08:14 AM

Good Morning,

First and foremost, we thank all of you for your kind words on this matter.

Platinum Bucks and GFY has a long standing relationship and it is not our intention to bring attention to this issue on GFY. We formally apologize to Lensman and his team for this overt and unnecessary attention. The Platinum Bucks team are regular contributors to this board. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we respect your perspectives of Platinum Bucks and any programs affilated with our team.

More importantly, as any team and entrepreneur would actively commit to, our management team made a decision that was based on respect. We run a fair and honest program and as most of you know, it is not a matter of a $200 payout, rather it is the merit of slander, negative public relations and lack of business integrity this individual demonstrated towards our team and the programs we promote.

I am confident that the details of this situation does not need to be publically discussed. However, as managers and leaders of your own enterprises, I ask one question of all of you...

Do you believe that Platinum Bucks would make a management decision of holding out a bulletin board contest payout of $200 to tarnish and jeopardize branding, customer loyalty and overall public relations?

Good leaders make descisions on prinicple.

Platinum Dave · 08-22-2002, 08:16 AM

Lensman I am sorry this is not my attention to bring so much attention to another board.

Do yourself a favour and do as we did, ban this guy right away!

I dont think I have to say much more, Booker is making an ass of himself just fine.

Good day all!

Theo · 08-22-2002, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by booker
Rebel: I had to back up my claims, now show me where in the rules a vote to determine the winner of the contest is provided for.

I didn't say you were wrong. Look, everybody make mistakes or can be unfair for a moment including me. If you try to show it to me with a normal way I'll probably realise it and change my position, but if you attack my family you'll have a war. That's exactly how you acted. You attacked Platinum Bucks program which was unfair.

Sly_RJ · 08-22-2002, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Platinum Dave
Lensman I am sorry this is not my attention to bring so much attention to another board.

Do yourself a favour and do as we did, ban this guy right away!

I dont think I have to say much more, Booker is making an ass of himself just fine.

Good day all!

If booker gets banned for what he's posted so far that I've seen, I'm going to have to rethink my opinion of the GFY crew.

MagicksAntics · 08-22-2002, 09:05 AM

blah blah blah. A whole lotta words with nothin to say.

booker · 08-22-2002, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich J.
Did you ever even send 1 visitor to a Platinum Bucks site? NO!

Rich, can you back up that claim or is it an unfounded accusation?

booker · 08-22-2002, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
You attacked Platinum Bucks program which was unfair.

Was my being harrassed incessanty about cheating with by Evil Chris, Titanium, Hungryman, RichJ, funbrunette and several others, who are all big players in the adult webmaster forum, fair?

My attacks were provoked and the direct result of being slighted at every turn.

Is changing the rules of a publically offered contest fair? Making it so someone who acts within the rules (but perhaps not quite in the spirit of the rules, however this was not explicitly stated prior to the contest start) can't win after 3/4 of the contest is over? Doesn't seem fair to me.

booker · 08-22-2002, 09:23 AM

And if we're going to talk about slanderous or libel defamation... the accusations must be FALSE.

I have stated that I was not paid, and it was admitted that I was not paid.

I expressed opinions about certain individuals and groups in the industry, and opinions/insults/epithets are not considered slander or libel. You can't slander someone by calling them a bastard or an asshole. It's called an "outburst of emotion."

I also said that from my experience, the group in question is fraudulent. A public contest with a prize was offered and upon completing the requirements of the contest I was not awarded a prize. This is fraudulent behavior, and therefore my calling it such is not slander or libel defamation.

Lensman · 08-22-2002, 09:26 AM

You're beating a dead issue. I agree with the PB team. If I see any more posts on this, there are going to be some banning here too.

08-21-2002, 09:34 PM	#3
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	You sound like a complete moron although i read your other post. You say PB changed the rules for the contest? fine, prove it and i might consider you a non-moron... You're just throwing accusations that sound like wild ones right now, you should back your shit up around here. This kind of crap isn't tolerated if you don't have any proof. __________________ Spam link here

08-21-2002, 09:59 PM	#4
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	Dildozer Right on, I have no qualms with providing proof. The contest stated that you get a shirt after 100 posts, $100/mo after 1000 posts and the longest thread of the month gets $500. I had racked up 2000 posts on the board, all of which would be tolerated here, about 50% of which were industry related, 20% of which were me defending myself from those who accused me of cheating, and the remaining 30% were bullshit. Now, another guy and I had built up a huge thread, but it was mostly bullshit, but the rules didn't say anything against it. So we agreed to have it shut down, along with another long bullshit post started by Chris, a friend of Dave's. When it comes to the end of the contest date, all of a sudden the thread by Chris is still in the running for the $500 prize, yet the one we started was not. At one point Dave puts the decision up to a vote, which there was no provision for in the rules.. and then decides to split the prize, to which everyone agreed finally. The money ($250) has not yet been recieved by my friend who started that thread, 21 days into August after the contest ended. Furthermore, after 2000 posts, I was banned for speaking out very loudly and admittedly unprofessionally and insultingly towards PB and the PB management. I was appalled by the way the entire situation was handled. It was a public board and the management was obviously not prepared to make decisions and judgements in a fair, unbiased manner. Now that I have been banned Dave writes in an email to me: "you were banned, you did not earn a check." There were no provisions in the rules that a banned user is no longer entitled to the prize money earned based on posts made before being banned. This is called fraud. Just a few minutes ago I got another email from Dave: "This is your last warning... You are slandering my program, I am contacting our lawyer first thing in the morning. If you do not stop you will have a cease and desist of slander letter in your mail box by next week. We are a multi million dollar company, I will sue you for slander, this is not something to be taken lightly. I have printed both your posts on GFY and have saved your emails also. I have spent alot of money building up a name for my company, you will lose, and I will do it just to make your life difficult, never mind your legal fees you will cover once I win. this is your last warning" Well let's see... I made 2000 posts and didn't get a $200 check nor a tshirt, according to the PB rules. Is pointing that out slanderous? Sure I've said that he's unethical and a terrible business man, well, I've been treated in an unethical and terrible way. I said early on that if he tried to "screw" me out of it that I'd make the adult industry aware of his dirty dealings. This is not slander. According to dictionary.com: "slan·der Pronunciation Key (slndr) n. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. A false and malicious statement or report about someone." Platinum Bucks, do you have a $200 check endorsed by me? Is my claim that you have not paid out according to your own terms and conditions false, and therefore slanderous?? Now I ask you, where is the burden of proof? It's amazing to me that this all stems from a measly $200 prize. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

08-21-2002, 09:59 PM	#5
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I was more thinking slander than prove it... That was some pretty harsh slander going on those other posts... __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-21-2002, 10:13 PM	#7
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	If you are trying to argue that what you posted is not slander then you should think again. If Dave did e-mail I would calm down some as you did say it's only $200. With the $200 I don't know of a single program/site/giveaway that if you get banned, break the rules, cheat, ect that you still get the prize. I'm sure the same hold's true with this. It sucks, yes. Some shit ya just gota live with. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-21-2002, 10:13 PM	#8
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	Here are Platinum Dave's words from the other thread.. "We pay people $100 when you reach 1000 posts, after we banned booker from our chat board, we decided to bad for you, why should we pay you for insulting half dozen people." Why? Because the Platinum Bucks rules stated that $100 would be paid out for each 1000 posts, of which I had 2000, it didn't say anything about being banned afterwards. If they banned everyone who reached 1000 posts they'd never have to pay out! That works out great for Platinum Bucks! __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

08-21-2002, 09:03 PM	#1
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	leader PB owe's me $200 and a PB tshirt.. not much at all, but I'll gladly give you half of it if you go collect. I'm not able to email/pm you.. drop me a message. And I forget the nick, but someone pointed out that I had >3 lines of text in my signature, I apologize and it has been corrected. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

08-21-2002, 09:33 PM	#2
klik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: san diego Posts: 5,092	I want the front half of the shirt... you get the back..

08-21-2002, 10:01 PM	#6
ZeRo55 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 25	there were more than a few ppl involve din this, the thread that "won" wasnt bookers thread, it was one of his buddies, and they gave th eidea of splitting the money, even tho one thread was bigger, so booker got bent out of shape, then they changed the rules, and they complied and still won (by the rules) then they changed them again, an STILL won in most of th evoters eyes, the problem was, there was two spam threads, and they both got shutdown before the end of the month, leaving one non spam thread with the highest of all fo them (wich should win right?) but IN THE END the two parties (chris and wiley) mutually decided to SPLIT the winnings, and go on with there lives. thats a quick synapsis of what went on, on stage, im not 100% clear on the backstage efforts.

08-21-2002, 10:16 PM	#9
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	They didn't ban everyone though. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-21-2002, 10:17 PM	#10
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	No one else had 2000 posts, either. That isn't the point. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

08-21-2002, 10:23 PM	#11
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	20% were replying to people accusing you of cheating???? Crikey! You have a problem matey! And i mean you set up the whole thing with a buddy to win the money. It certainly doesn't help thinking you're not a cheater with other webmaster programs either. Nice try but no cigar __________________ Spam link here

08-21-2002, 10:25 PM	#12
Nedder Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 555	Go build yourself some sites and make real $$$. You've wasted so much of your time bitching and whining about a measely sum of contest money, who the fuck cares....learn from those fuckers you insult and make $1,000. Nz

08-21-2002, 10:27 PM	#13
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	You said "If they banned everyone who reached 1000 posts they'd never have to pay out! That works out great for Platinum Bucks!". They didn't ban everyone that reached 1000 posts or more. They did choose to ban you for the reasons posted. I personally don't care what the reasons are. I have seen people banned for less reasons on this board and other boards. Fact is no money program, board, contest, or whatever would ever pay anyone after they have been removed from the system for whatever reason. Chances are Dave could have delt with this in a different way as i'm sure you could have as well. At this point I think both parties should chill and talk about it over e-mail or just forget about it. Bashing PB won't get ya far they have a good name and rep in this industry. They made a decession and that should be the end of it. Bashing them in public will only dig the hole deeper. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-21-2002, 10:29 PM	#15
dacash Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: some where in a basement Posts: 609	Hey thedoc, i'm not going to take anyones side, but what happened seems not fair for some parties. But when you say it's ONLY $250, Money is money, if you don't pay me what you owe me, whater it's $1 or $1000 i don't care, it's still the same thing. If the rules of hte contest didn't say that if you get banned after earning your money that you are not getting paid, well tuff they have to pay. One thing in this business is that people always take hte side of the court htat has the biggest wallet. Well no Multi-Million company has done anything for me. I don't care if you make $1 a month or $1 000 000 a month. You are equal to my eyes until prooven otherwise! __________________ ____________ Marc

08-21-2002, 10:34 PM	#17
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	Doc, you're very right.. it all could have been dealt with differently and believe me I tried, but when someone changes contest rules on a daily basis? There's a point where compromises turn into favoritism. I'm not trying to "bash" PB necessarily.. I know many many people have a great business with them and they do very well, I am merely expressing my horrible experience with their management, I feel it is something that is rampant not only in this industry but all facets of business.. misunderstandings running away and becomming much bigger than they should ever get. Tonight it was publically admitted that I was not paid for my posts, and that is worth $200 and a tshirt to me. At any rate, that's all I am going to say on the matter. I've said my piece, if others are interested as to details or whatnot I can be contacted. peace & respect __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

08-21-2002, 10:35 PM	#18
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I look at it as the same as a money program. If you get canned from a money program you don't get paid. To me it falls under the same standards. I don't agree with either side though, it's not my site, my program or my money ..... I careless Done posting now __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 08-21-2002 at 10:36 PM..

08-21-2002, 10:37 PM	#20
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I think it was a contest..From start to finish type thing..I could be wrong. hehe wasnt the last post __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-21-2002, 10:45 PM	#21
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	Contest.. rules are on the porno junkies site. Highlights are: "1. 1000, 2000, 3000 posts Giveaway: Each registered user who reaches 1000 posts will receive $100. At one's 2000th post, one will also be given $100. Continuing this trend, each user who posts in 1000 post increments will receive $100. There is no ceiling or restrictions as to how many posts one is allowed to execute. Therefore, one may post, as many times as they want and the payouts will be according to 1000 post increments. 2. Longest Thread Per Month: The registered user who posts the longest thread per month will receive $500. The month time frame is defined as 12:01 AM on the first of every month to 11:59 PM on the last day of each month. The registered user may only win this $500 prize once per six-month period. This does not count personal posts. You may post to your thread as many times as you want, but it will not go towards the total number of posts that will be counted towards this monthly contest. Please note that the contest has an official start date of June 11, 2002. The ending date for the initial first month of this monthly contest will be July 31, 2002. Following this initial start date, August 1,2002 to September 1, 2002 will mark our monthly time frames as stated above." While I was still a "registered user" ie pre-ban, I did not recieve payment for my 2000 posts. I hope this clears up what you weren't sure of. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard." Last edited by booker; 08-21-2002 at 10:46 PM..

08-21-2002, 10:48 PM	#22
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	well if you insulted them, you don't deserve a fuckin penny i mean shit it's not like you made them money __________________ Spam link here

08-21-2002, 10:48 PM	#23
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	You sore loser. I am making $5 bucks a post, special deal with The Leader himself. And you're whining about $200 ? Get a life and start working.

08-22-2002, 05:02 AM	#26
Orenthal J Simpson Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Not Jail Posts: 11	I just checked out that site and it does appear that Booker states the facts. I saw something about a vote to decide the winner and it looks as if your friend not only won the longest thread but when the board voted on who won it looks as if he won that too. I saw several rule changes from what little I read and Booker I will have to agree with you that it looks like a scam of some sort. You guys appeared to be outcasts from day #1 and I also read that both you and your friend did seem to have not only the longest thread but also a pretty useful thread compared to most of the other content on that board. I saw those 2 closed threads in addition to the help thread you had talked about and it does appear quite unfair that the PB crew counted a thread that was closed in for the contest. It is strange how a closed thread can win but since you were banned you get nothing? That shows me blantant favoritism and bias. Plat Bux may have a good reputation in the industry for now but if they continue to cross the line of professionalism like they have with the message board they will noth ave that good repuation long. Take it as a lesson learned and move on.

08-22-2002, 05:17 AM	#27
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Oh who gives a rats ass? Cut your losses and move da fuck on... __________________ blunts

08-22-2002, 05:35 AM	#29
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	No booker didn't say all the facts. When it was decided to have a vote about which thread is the winner he started attacking PB program and talking shit. So, Dave got very angry because of this and banned him. I wouldn't pay you either after this because you would have caused harm to my program on purpose like you did on PB and you still do. I gave you an advise back then and I'll telling you to read it again because it's obviously either you missed it or you ignored it. You had a claim back then which I supported too and I even voted you as a winner, but your behavior was very bad, rude and unprofessional. Re-evaluate your position man.

08-22-2002, 06:36 AM	#30
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	Rebel: I had to back up my claims, now show me where in the rules a vote to determine the winner of the contest is provided for. Sure I got abusive and insulting, I admit that and always will, but when someone tries over and over to screw for weeks at a stretch, I am going to be very vocal about it. Turning an objective posting contest with rules into a popularity issue is about as unprofessional as you can get. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard." Last edited by booker; 08-22-2002 at 06:40 AM..

08-22-2002, 07:45 AM	#31
Rich J. Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 589	Booker... you haven't changed a bit have you? You were a whiney little bitch at Porno Junkies and your a whiney little bitch here. Did you ever even send 1 visitor to a Platinum Bucks site? NO! So you have no business making any accusations against their program. Any beef you have is with the Porno Junkies messageboard, which to be honest has alot more reasons to have beef with you. __________________ Adult Web Marketing Specialist with 10 years of Industry Experience - CONTACT ME

08-22-2002, 07:57 AM	#32
a1ka1ine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,387	sighs if you made a massive post designed to cheat the system, you cant expect to get a payout. dont take advantage of decent people making decent offers.

08-22-2002, 08:14 AM	#33
Platinum Albert Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 144	Good Morning, First and foremost, we thank all of you for your kind words on this matter. Platinum Bucks and GFY has a long standing relationship and it is not our intention to bring attention to this issue on GFY. We formally apologize to Lensman and his team for this overt and unnecessary attention. The Platinum Bucks team are regular contributors to this board. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we respect your perspectives of Platinum Bucks and any programs affilated with our team. More importantly, as any team and entrepreneur would actively commit to, our management team made a decision that was based on respect. We run a fair and honest program and as most of you know, it is not a matter of a $200 payout, rather it is the merit of slander, negative public relations and lack of business integrity this individual demonstrated towards our team and the programs we promote. I am confident that the details of this situation does not need to be publically discussed. However, as managers and leaders of your own enterprises, I ask one question of all of you... Do you believe that Platinum Bucks would make a management decision of holding out a bulletin board contest payout of $200 to tarnish and jeopardize branding, customer loyalty and overall public relations? Good leaders make descisions on prinicple. __________________ Platinum Albert Marketing and Communications [email protected] <a href="http://www.platinumbucks.com/">http://www.platinumbucks.com/</a> <a href="http://www.webmasterhangover.com/">http://www.webmasterhangover.com/</a> <a href="http://www.platinumbucks.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.platinumbucks.com/sales_tools/banners/PB/odd/133x31_1.gif" border="0" alt=""></a>

08-22-2002, 08:16 AM	#34
Platinum Dave Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,441	Lensman I am sorry this is not my attention to bring so much attention to another board. Do yourself a favour and do as we did, ban this guy right away! I dont think I have to say much more, Booker is making an ass of himself just fine. Good day all! __________________ Check out Adult Rental - Only Pay Per Signup VOD!

08-22-2002, 09:05 AM	#37
MagicksAntics Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Everywhere Posts: 455	blah blah blah. A whole lotta words with nothin to say.

08-22-2002, 09:23 AM	#40
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	And if we're going to talk about slanderous or libel defamation... the accusations must be FALSE. I have stated that I was not paid, and it was admitted that I was not paid. I expressed opinions about certain individuals and groups in the industry, and opinions/insults/epithets are not considered slander or libel. You can't slander someone by calling them a bastard or an asshole. It's called an "outburst of emotion." I also said that from my experience, the group in question is fraudulent. A public contest with a prize was offered and upon completing the requirements of the contest I was not awarded a prize. This is fraudulent behavior, and therefore my calling it such is not slander or libel defamation. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

08-22-2002, 09:26 AM	#41
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	You're beating a dead issue. I agree with the PB team. If I see any more posts on this, there are going to be some banning here too.