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Pathfinder · 08-23-2002, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

WHAT ABOUT THAT .1% that got FALSLY ACCUSED???????

WHAT ABOUT THEM?????

No soup for them. Next!

12clicks · 08-23-2002, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

WHAT ABOUT THAT .1% that got FALSLY ACCUSED???????

WHAT ABOUT THEM?????

I wasn't speaking about myself, but operators in general. As has been proven ad nauseam, I'm never wrong.

For the other operators, that .1% are the guys they know are cheating but can't quite say how.

Like if you did 10 sales a day, your sponsor would know you inflated your numbers to an unrealistic # . They wouldn't need to know how, its obvious that a "sleezydream" couldn't do that kind of volume.

SleazyDream · 08-23-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

I wasn't speaking about myself, but operators in general. As has been proven ad nauseam, I'm never wrong.

For the other operators, that .1% are the guys they know are cheating but can't quite say how.

Like if you did 10 sales a day, your sponsor would know you inflated your numbers to an unrealistic # . They wouldn't need to know how, its obvious that a "sleezydream" couldn't do that kind of volume.

touche.

this is why I run a free site and just give the porn away to the masses. Why bother with all the processing hastle?

12clicks · 08-23-2002, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

touche.

this is why I run a free site and just give the porn away to the masses. Why bother with all the processing hastle?

dude, I hear ya.

RAM · 08-23-2002, 10:47 AM

A moment in Histroy.....12 nipples agrees with Sleazy .....does this mean 12 will be at the next Sleazy Dinner...?

the world is waiting.

SleazyDream · 08-23-2002, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by RAM
A moment in Histroy.....12 nipples agrees with Sleazy .....does this mean 12 will be at the next Sleazy Dinner...?

the world is waiting.

depends, is he willing to wear the funny hat and serve big macs?

12clicks · 08-23-2002, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

depends, is he willing to wear the funny hat and serve big macs?

I'll where the hat but I won't eat or serve big macs.

Pathfinder · 08-23-2002, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

I'll where the hat but I won't eat or serve big macs.

"I'll where the hat..."?? Not very wise today. Have a late night with your boyfriend?

RAM · 08-23-2002, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

I'll where the hat but I won't eat or serve big macs.

12 I went to the last dinner and it was nice...much better than a big mac.

Milkipiades · 08-23-2002, 12:43 PM

DEATH to cheaters

Kimmykim · 08-23-2002, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

ummm, arn't you new to a sponser program as well (maybe even newer then the guy you're giving advice to)since you were just a sexertary banker before?

Hello ding ding is anything rattling around in that encephalitis sized head of yours?

Before I went to CCBill I did the webmaster stuff for Cashquest for a year.

I forgot, that's when you were still trying to figure out how to spell Supersize correctly at hamburger university.

SykkBoy · 08-23-2002, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way

I've never cheated a sponsor, and nnever would, I do plenty well doing it legit but...you know if a sponsor told me that upfront there's no way in hell I'd bother trying out his program.

If someone tells me I'm guilty until proven innocent they can kiss my hairy ass.

While I'm certainly sorry that we'll be missing out on your traffic, it's no sweat to me. I want webmasters who are going to read and FOLLOW my TOS, but if I have 5000 webmasters who follow the rules and make me money, why should I waste any time with someone trying to cheat me or not following my TOS? So, if being a hard ass keeps some people from signing up for my program, great, more money for the webmasters who can follow my TOS.

Kimmykim · 08-23-2002, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2

So, if being a hard ass keeps some people from signing up for my program, great, more money for the webmasters who can follow my TOS.

Hmm, good point.

booker · 08-23-2002, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
We have the experience and the tools to catch cheaters in ways you can't imagine and in ways we don't talk about.

Generally it is bad policy to speculate as to what someone else knows or doesn't know about network security, because more often than not it is an underestimate. Regardless, I'm sure your system is tight as far as any average joe is concerned.

For someone with a little savvy, a site like this cheater's could pretty handily be hacked and manipulated without a trace. I've had it done to sites that I've been involved in, the gov't. has it done to their sites, large corporations have it done to their's. I highly doubt that the level of internet security in the porn industry exceedes that of other industries.

As far as being hard ass.. sure, it works, you keep the honest ones and boot the cheaters and perhaps a few suspected cheaters.. but is that the best way to do business? To maximize profit and reduce aggrivation, probably. Is that the most important thing, however?

SykkBoy · 08-23-2002, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by booker

As far as being hard ass.. sure, it works, you keep the honest ones and boot the cheaters and perhaps a few suspected cheaters.. but is that the best way to do business? To maximize profit and reduce aggrivation, probably. Is that the most important thing, however?

It's the only way to do business....who doesn't want to maximize profitablility? I'm in this business to make money....anyone standing in the way of that by cheating or not following rules doesn't deserve courtesy...

Anyone here not wanting to maximise their profitability? just go ahead and start directing your traffic to me and let me know profitability is not important, so I can set your partner % to zero.

booker · 08-23-2002, 06:04 PM

Fair enough

jimmy3way · 08-23-2002, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by booker
As far as being hard ass.. sure, it works, you keep the honest ones and boot the cheaters and perhaps a few suspected cheaters.. but is that the best way to do business? To maximize profit and reduce aggrivation, probably. Is that the most important thing, however?

My point exactly...

Kimmykim · 08-23-2002, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by booker
For someone with a little savvy, a site like this cheater's could pretty handily be hacked and manipulated without a trace. I've had it done to sites that I've been involved in, the gov't. has it done to their sites, large corporations have it done to their's. I highly doubt that the level of internet security in the porn industry exceedes that of other industries.

booker, honey, this isn't about network security in the end. It's about the myriad excuses coupled with the fantastical lies people tell to cover their tracks.

If you have 10000 people doing something, you can easily see patterns among them, and you learn what patterns generally indicate something isn't right.

At that point you start looking into it, and if you pay attention to the details, you find the cheat, document it and that's the end of the discussion.

Until you find the cheat, you have two choices. Keep paying and looking, or see if there are other things that you can find violating the TOS that will help you to get rid of someone in that last .01%.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST:
My little cheater emailed me and wanted to know if he got canned because he signed up under his own ref code since he wanted that 30 bucks too.

Not since he was testing us for shaving, but because he wanted some extra money.

Where is the BOL when you need it Sykkster?

jimmy3way · 08-23-2002, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Not since he was testing us for shaving, but because he wanted some extra money.

Sponsors are the exact same way and it's a little hypocritical to act like you guys are under attack from an army of thieves.

I'm a perfectly typical, honest webmaster and I get shaved all the time, I get lied to, I get ignored. This business is as slippery as a bucket fulla snakes.

Which is I guess why I love it.

SykkBoy · 08-23-2002, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Where is the BOL when you need it Sykkster?

right here

but wait til you see the shovel of understanding......

SykkBoy · 08-23-2002, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way

Sponsors are the exact same way and it's a little hypocritical to act like you guys are under attack from an army of thieves.

I'm a perfectly typical, honest webmaster and I get shaved all the time, I get lied to, I get ignored. This business is as slippery as a bucket fulla snakes.

Which is I guess why I love it.

There most certainly does seem to be an "us against them" attitude, but I'm not just a psponsor, I am also a webmaster who sends his hard earned traffic to sponsors as well...

if I fuck up and make a mistake that is against a program's TOS and get terminated for it, it's my own tough shit for not following the rules....I remember my first Rush4Gold boot...I didn't even know what a blindlink was much less why it was against Pushrod's TOS...did I still deserve to get paid for doing something clearly against the rules, even though I made a "newbie mistake"? No, because the program and profit margin was based upon a certain type of traffic, and when I fucked with that, it changed it.

Don't get me wrong, being a hard ass doesn't mean I'm just going to look for reasons to terminate people, it just means that I won't put up with bullshit when I do terminate them, nor should I...nor any other sponsor who terminates a webmaster for breaking the rules.

Gary · 08-23-2002, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2

if I fuck up and make a mistake that is against a program's TOS and get terminated for it, it's my own tough shit for not following the rules....I remember my first Rush4Gold boot...I didn't even know what a blindlink was much less why it was against Pushrod's TOS...did I still deserve to get paid for doing something clearly against the rules, even though I made a "newbie mistake"? No, because the program and profit margin was based upon a certain type of traffic, and when I fucked with that, it changed it.

HAHAHAHAHA
Did pushrod pay anyone? Ever?

Rose · 08-23-2002, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gary

HAHAHAHAHA
Did pushrod pay anyone? Ever?

Pushrod paid me for long time.
But thinking about it, I have never received my last check from Rush4Gold when they went bust. Their site is still up. Feel free to sign up hehehe

http://stats.rush4gold.com/

Gary · 08-23-2002, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rose

Pushrod paid me for long time.
But thinking about it, I have never received my last check from Rush4Gold when they went bust. Their site is still up. Feel free to sign up hehehe

http://stats.rush4gold.com/

LOL im on my way

SykkBoy · 08-23-2002, 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by Gary

HAHAHAHAHA
Did pushrod pay anyone? Ever?

he did in '97 hehehe (well, after I learned my lesson and started actually reading and UNDERSTANING the terrms ;))

not sure about now, though ;)

Killerelf · 08-24-2002, 03:04 AM

After reading all of this I have one conclusion.

I will not be doing any business with SIC Cash.

Why?

Just because.

If I make an honest mistake I am fucked out of my living.

I don't like that kind of business.

12clicks · 08-24-2002, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Killerelf
After reading all of this I have one conclusion.

I will not be doing any business with SIC Cash.

Why?

Just because.

If I make an honest mistake I am fucked out of my living.

I don't like that kind of business.

Killerelf, please don't do business with me either then.
If you've just read thru this entire thread, and think its about honest mistakes, you're either a thief, or too stupid for this biz.

12clicks · 08-24-2002, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way

Sponsors are the exact same way and it's a little hypocritical to act like you guys are under attack from an army of thieves.

Jimmy, because you only see things from the webmaster pont of view, your conclusions are incorrect.

As a program operator, I know first hand that we *ARE* under attack from an army of thieves.

As a sender of traffic to most of the major programs, I've NEVER felt cheated by them.

If operators weren't vigilant about fraud, there would be no one left to pay you money.

think about THAT for a while when you insist we're too tough on thieves.

Paul Markham · 08-24-2002, 09:58 AM

So as I see it, not contacting the guy to get his side of the story, but just automatically closing him down is fine. You could not possibly be making a mistake.

Unless you are protecting photographers rights, then you have to soft foot it and be a nice understanding guy.

Imagine dealing with cheating idiots like this 10 times a day, for 6 years and you are in another mans shoes.

I will not mention his name, but it is funny the attitude taken when the boot is on the other foot.

booker · 08-24-2002, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2

right here

but wait til you see the shovel of understanding......

HAHHAAHha.. that's great

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Originally posted by Killerelf
After reading all of this I have one conclusion.

I will not be doing any business with SIC Cash.
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I wouldn't jump to conclusions that quickly man.. I dont' have a lot of traffic on my infant sites, but I do have an account with SIC and haven't had my problems myself. It seems to me that while hardass, kimmykim and whomever else are straightforward about their stance on cheating/etc AND that they are consistant. Being consistant in one's policy goes a long way in my book, even if I think their policy might be a little harsh to some. I wouldn't bail on SIC right away just because of this thread, in fact, perhaps the opposite, we've had a pretty good discussion here about how they do their business and they have been very forthcomming. Can't bitch at 'em for that, certainly.

And again, charly makes a great point that the volume of cheaters or potential cheaters makes it all that much harder to deal with them personally. It's a tough biz and there's a middle ground, and of course if the number of people trying to steal and theive goes up, program ops are going to react, tighten up their policy and bring the axe down without asking questions. Well hey, they are putting out a lot of effort to not only make themselves rich but provide a pretty easy means for others to make a decent living as well, so more power to 'em.

12clicks · 08-24-2002, 10:41 AM

I can't make heads or tales of this but lets try.

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Originally posted by charly
So as I see it, not contacting the guy to get his side of the story, but just automatically closing him down is fine. You could not possibly be making a mistake.

This is correct. If there was a possibility of a mistake, his account wouldn't be closed down. There would be further investigation.

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Originally posted by charly
Unless you are protecting photographers rights, then you have to soft foot it and be a nice understanding guy.

Exactly.
#1. its not MY job to protect someone else's business
#2. its been proven over and over that these yokels "protecting" photographers rights are incorrect in their accusations at least 50% of the time.

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Originally posted by charly
Imagine dealing with cheating idiots like this 10 times a day, for 6 years and you are in another mans shoes.

imagine having a thieve's lies given credence by a handful of morons every time you catch someone trying to *steal* from you and you are in another mans shoes.

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Originally posted by charly
I will not mention his name, but it is funny the attitude taken when the boot is on the other foot.

name names or we don't know what you're saying.

SykkBoy · 08-24-2002, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
Exactly.
#1. its not MY job to protect someone else's business
#2. its been proven over and over that these yokels "protecting" photographers rights are incorrect in their accusations at least 50% of the time.

exactly...I don't see photographers refusing to sell content to know program scammers...

so, Charly, how about this...I'll stop paying alleged content thieves for you, but I want you to stop selling content to people who alledgedly cheat me...fair enough?

Kimmykim · 08-24-2002, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2

so, Charly, how about this...I'll stop paying alleged content thieves for you, but I want you to stop selling content to people who alledgedly cheat me...fair enough?

OMG if we could all do that, I'd work one more year and go the fuck on to my little island I pay for between now and then since about ten people would get a check.

killerelf, we don't terminate people for the fun of it, we terminate them because they have violated the terms they agreed to prior to sending hit number one to us.

Picture this. You tell me hey, send me a pair of new shoes in size 6 and I will pay you for them. I then send you a pair of worn out boots in size 9 and demand to be paid.

Can I make it any more clear?

12clicks · 08-24-2002, 09:17 PM

charly's a bit out of his element.
There are about 4 posters on this board that can speak with authority on this subject.

12clicks · 08-25-2002, 11:54 AM

that's it then?

SleazyDream · 08-25-2002, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by RAM

12 I went to the last dinner and it was nice...much better than a big mac.

i hear he's a conasour..... a burger king man.

SleazyDream · 08-25-2002, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Killerelf
After reading all of this I have one conclusion.

I will not be doing any business with SIC Cash.

Why?

Just because.

If I make an honest mistake I am fucked out of my living.

I don't like that kind of business.

don't be begging me or my friends for traffic either.

SleazyDream · 08-25-2002, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

I'll where the hat but I won't eat or serve big macs.

someone needs to post a pic of 12clicks wearing the hat.

Que? · 08-25-2002, 03:24 PM

Ach nein!! It was a page two

JayJay · 08-25-2002, 07:33 PM

your only a cheat if your caught

Kimmykim · 08-25-2002, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

don't be begging me or my friends for traffic either.

Not without a 300 dollar US good check and 7k clicks a day at least ;)

Killerelf · 08-25-2002, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

Killerelf, please don't do business with me either then.
If you've just read thru this entire thread, and think its about honest mistakes, you're either a thief, or too stupid for this biz.

All I am saying is that I do not want to do business with a person or company that feels that it is right to delete your account without some kind of notification. Anytime that I have felt that I may be pushing rules I have contacted the person or company first for approval.

I see so many instances of cheating that are allowed by companies because of financial gain. Take a look at password sites. I have never made one but they seem to do well even though they are blatantly cheating their sponsors.

And no I did not read the whole thread just the first message. The rest seemed to be some arguing BS

SleazyDream · 08-25-2002, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Not without a 300 dollar US good check and 7k clicks a day at least ;)

I'll have you know it's 6 clicks a day.
(half of 12clicks - was that a pun????)

I don't want to scare away any potential good customers.

08-23-2002, 10:47 AM	#55
RAM They're all hookers, but mom! Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Right now Shelby Twp MI Posts: 7,047	A moment in Histroy.....12 nipples agrees with Sleazy .....does this mean 12 will be at the next Sleazy Dinner...? the world is waiting. __________________ RAM Fucking Machines are like CASH MACHINES See RAM on these quality sites!! Rightofftheboat.com EuroBrideTryouts.com

08-23-2002, 12:43 PM	#60
Milkipiades Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right here Posts: 84	DEATH to cheaters __________________ Life sux .... - get a helm

08-23-2002, 06:04 PM	#66
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08-24-2002, 03:04 AM	#76
Killerelf Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 367	After reading all of this I have one conclusion. I will not be doing any business with SIC Cash. Why? Just because. If I make an honest mistake I am fucked out of my living. I don't like that kind of business. __________________ I am not allowed to tell you anything that I feel like telling you

08-24-2002, 09:58 AM	#79
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	So as I see it, not contacting the guy to get his side of the story, but just automatically closing him down is fine. You could not possibly be making a mistake. Unless you are protecting photographers rights, then you have to soft foot it and be a nice understanding guy. Imagine dealing with cheating idiots like this 10 times a day, for 6 years and you are in another mans shoes. I will not mention his name, but it is funny the attitude taken when the boot is on the other foot. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-24-2002, 09:17 PM	#84
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	charly's a bit out of his element. There are about 4 posters on this board that can speak with authority on this subject. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-25-2002, 11:54 AM	#85
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	that's it then? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-25-2002, 03:24 PM	#89
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08-25-2002, 07:33 PM	#90
JayJay Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,739	your only a cheat if your caught