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For the other operators, that .1% are the guys they know are cheating but can't quite say how. Like if you did 10 sales a day, your sponsor would know you inflated your numbers to an unrealistic # . They wouldn't need to know how, its obvious that a "sleezydream" couldn't do that kind of volume. :1orglaugh |
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this is why I run a free site and just give the porn away to the masses. Why bother with all the processing hastle? |
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A moment in Histroy.....12 nipples agrees with Sleazy .....does this mean 12 will be at the next Sleazy Dinner...?
the world is waiting. |
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DEATH to cheaters :ak47: :mad:
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Before I went to CCBill I did the webmaster stuff for Cashquest for a year. I forgot, that's when you were still trying to figure out how to spell Supersize correctly at hamburger university. |
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For someone with a little savvy, a site like this cheater's could pretty handily be hacked and manipulated without a trace. I've had it done to sites that I've been involved in, the gov't. has it done to their sites, large corporations have it done to their's. I highly doubt that the level of internet security in the porn industry exceedes that of other industries. As far as being hard ass.. sure, it works, you keep the honest ones and boot the cheaters and perhaps a few suspected cheaters.. but is that the best way to do business? To maximize profit and reduce aggrivation, probably. Is that the most important thing, however? |
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Anyone here not wanting to maximise their profitability? just go ahead and start directing your traffic to me and let me know profitability is not important, so I can set your partner % to zero. |
Fair enough :rasta
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If you have 10000 people doing something, you can easily see patterns among them, and you learn what patterns generally indicate something isn't right. At that point you start looking into it, and if you pay attention to the details, you find the cheat, document it and that's the end of the discussion. Until you find the cheat, you have two choices. Keep paying and looking, or see if there are other things that you can find violating the TOS that will help you to get rid of someone in that last .01%. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST: My little cheater emailed me and wanted to know if he got canned because he signed up under his own ref code since he wanted that 30 bucks too. Not since he was testing us for shaving, but because he wanted some extra money. Where is the BOL when you need it Sykkster? |
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I'm a perfectly typical, honest webmaster and I get shaved all the time, I get lied to, I get ignored. This business is as slippery as a bucket fulla snakes. Which is I guess why I love it. |
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http://www.gothicsex.com/brick/brick.gif but wait til you see the shovel of understanding...... |
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if I fuck up and make a mistake that is against a program's TOS and get terminated for it, it's my own tough shit for not following the rules....I remember my first Rush4Gold boot...I didn't even know what a blindlink was much less why it was against Pushrod's TOS...did I still deserve to get paid for doing something clearly against the rules, even though I made a "newbie mistake"? No, because the program and profit margin was based upon a certain type of traffic, and when I fucked with that, it changed it. Don't get me wrong, being a hard ass doesn't mean I'm just going to look for reasons to terminate people, it just means that I won't put up with bullshit when I do terminate them, nor should I...nor any other sponsor who terminates a webmaster for breaking the rules. |
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HAHAHAHAHA Did pushrod pay anyone? Ever? |
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Pushrod paid me for long time. But thinking about it, I have never received my last check from Rush4Gold when they went bust. Their site is still up. Feel free to sign up hehehe http://stats.rush4gold.com/ |
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not sure about now, though ;) |
After reading all of this I have one conclusion.
I will not be doing any business with SIC Cash. Why? Just because. If I make an honest mistake I am fucked out of my living. I don't like that kind of business. |
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Killerelf, please don't do business with me either then. If you've just read thru this entire thread, and think its about honest mistakes, you're either a thief, or too stupid for this biz.:winkwink: |
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As a program operator, I know first hand that we *ARE* under attack from an army of thieves. As a sender of traffic to most of the major programs, I've NEVER felt cheated by them. If operators weren't vigilant about fraud, there would be no one left to pay you money. think about THAT for a while when you insist we're too tough on thieves. |
So as I see it, not contacting the guy to get his side of the story, but just automatically closing him down is fine. You could not possibly be making a mistake.
Unless you are protecting photographers rights, then you have to soft foot it and be a nice understanding guy. Imagine dealing with cheating idiots like this 10 times a day, for 6 years and you are in another mans shoes. I will not mention his name, but it is funny the attitude taken when the boot is on the other foot.:) |
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HAHHAAHha.. that's great :) quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Killerelf After reading all of this I have one conclusion. I will not be doing any business with SIC Cash. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wouldn't jump to conclusions that quickly man.. I dont' have a lot of traffic on my infant sites, but I do have an account with SIC and haven't had my problems myself. It seems to me that while hardass, kimmykim and whomever else are straightforward about their stance on cheating/etc AND that they are consistant. Being consistant in one's policy goes a long way in my book, even if I think their policy might be a little harsh to some. I wouldn't bail on SIC right away just because of this thread, in fact, perhaps the opposite, we've had a pretty good discussion here about how they do their business and they have been very forthcomming. Can't bitch at 'em for that, certainly. And again, charly makes a great point that the volume of cheaters or potential cheaters makes it all that much harder to deal with them personally. It's a tough biz and there's a middle ground, and of course if the number of people trying to steal and theive goes up, program ops are going to react, tighten up their policy and bring the axe down without asking questions. Well hey, they are putting out a lot of effort to not only make themselves rich but provide a pretty easy means for others to make a decent living as well, so more power to 'em. |
I can't make heads or tales of this but lets try.
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so, Charly, how about this...I'll stop paying alleged content thieves for you, but I want you to stop selling content to people who alledgedly cheat me...fair enough? |
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killerelf, we don't terminate people for the fun of it, we terminate them because they have violated the terms they agreed to prior to sending hit number one to us. Picture this. You tell me hey, send me a pair of new shoes in size 6 and I will pay you for them. I then send you a pair of worn out boots in size 9 and demand to be paid. Can I make it any more clear? |
charly's a bit out of his element.
There are about 4 posters on this board that can speak with authority on this subject. :thumbsup |
that's it then?
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i hear he's a conasour..... a burger king man. |
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don't be begging me or my friends for traffic either. |
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Ach nein!! It was a page two:(
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your only a cheat if your caught
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Not without a 300 dollar US good check and 7k clicks a day at least ;) |
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I see so many instances of cheating that are allowed by companies because of financial gain. Take a look at password sites. I have never made one but they seem to do well even though they are blatantly cheating their sponsors. And no I did not read the whole thread just the first message. The rest seemed to be some arguing BS |
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(half of 12clicks - was that a pun????) I don't want to scare away any potential good customers. |
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