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DaddyHalbucks 05-05-2007 08:25 PM

Try exercise, vitamins, and flax oil.

Helix 05-05-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst (Post 12379408)
I am personally really sick of the whole 'chemical imbalance' bullshit. Yes there is a chemical imbalance, but I seriously doubt that is the cause of your psychological problems, rather I think it is an effect.

I agree with most here. Pills generally are a bandaid approach and you will never truly get 'cured'. I suggest trying some lifestyle changes like exercise (it has profound positive effects for the mind), or seeing a psychiatrist to try and get at the root of the issue.

But if all else fails then use your family physician as a last resort.

Actually....there is no way to measure a chemical imbalance. They can't even offer a cure. Ask the doctor how may people he or she has cured. They don't tell you any of that up front.
People assume the doctors know how to fix it. The doctors make a best guess based on previous case studies and theories, not fact. It's all a guessing game, using the patient as a guinea pig.
They can't even tell you what the long term effects are on your system with any of those SSRI psychotropic drugs. They never tell you how hard it is to get off of some of those SSRI's. Anybody that is considering using SSRI's should definately do their own research before starting any of those meds because the medical community neglects to mention any of the drawbacks or repercussions.

websiex 05-05-2007 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst (Post 12379408)
I am personally really sick of the whole 'chemical imbalance' bullshit. Yes there is a chemical imbalance, but I seriously doubt that is the cause of your psychological problems, rather I think it is an effect.

I agree with most here. Pills generally are a bandaid approach and you will never truly get 'cured'. I suggest trying some lifestyle changes like exercise (it has profound positive effects for the mind), or seeing a psychiatrist to try and get at the root of the issue.

But if all else fails then use your family physician as a last resort.

Listen, I have no idea why I think like I do, so I am just going to have to assume I have a mental illness. It might be a 'chemical imbalance' or it might be something medical science doesn't know about; all I know is that I have a problem.

You mention talking to a psychologist to get to the "root issue", but how can I get to a "root issue" (that doesn't exist) when I have no clue how this all began? Is talking to another human being with a psychology degree going to magically find a magical "root issue"? Trust me, I've thought about nearly every aspect of my life, and I have no idea why I have this problem or what brought it on, one day it just seriously clicked out of nowhere, it was like a whole new thinking or something - very hard to explain.

Also, personally attacking people with mental illnesses is like personally attacking people taking opioids to relieve their extreme pain. I mean, if you have chronic pain and the only thing that works is Oxycodone, you would be stupid to not take Oxycodone. Oxycodone "band-aids" the extreme pain, but it makes that person comfortable and WORKS. Same goes for schizophrenia; if those people don't take their anti-psychotics - they are in a constant state of disorganized thinking. Once they take the anti-psychotic, some return to being normal - Is it masking it? Maybe? Is it a cure? Literally, no. But, I'd say it is, because it is actually bringing these people back to reality to live normal lives.

If it takes the use of medicine to feel normal because a complete cure doesn't exist, then I say use the fucking medicine. That is what medicine is for, to help you when a complete cure isn't available.

As for me, Klonopin "band-aids" (in your ignorant words) the problem, lets me live a normal comfortable life without problems, and WORKS. If you want to call it a "band-aid" approach, do so; I call it a cure.

BTW: Most medicines are just masking. Cure is a complete word and cures are kind of rare. Most medicine we use today masks the problem well enough to call it a cure. Like chemo, etc, it isn't a "cure" for cancer, it just slows it down and puts it into remission, but I guess those people are weak pieces of shit too who should exercise and change their lifestyles.

websiex 05-05-2007 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Helix (Post 12379477)
Actually....there is no way to measure a chemical imbalance. They can't even offer a cure. Ask the doctor how may people he or she has cured. They don't tell you any of that up front.
People assume the doctors know how to fix it. The doctors make a best guess based on previous case studies and theories, not fact. It's all a guessing game, using the patient as a guinea pig.
They can't even tell you what the long term effects are on your system with any of those SSRI psychotropic drugs. They never tell you how hard it is to get off of some of those SSRI's. Anybody that is considering using SSRI's should definately do their own research before starting any of those meds because the medical community neglects to mention any of the drawbacks or repercussions.

I'll never take an SSRI, and if the doctor advises it I'm going to tell him no. It is my health, so I also have a say in what can be done to help. Doctors can suggest, but the patient ultimately makes the final decision of accepting that doctor's treatment or not. SSRIs are way too dangerous, and I am taking paper work there to prove it just incase he doesn't give me the medication I prefer.

thonglife 05-05-2007 09:29 PM

If you are or have been an addict of any kind.. stay away from benzos. Benzos are not SSRI's and have never heard of a doctor scripting them for depression.. only short-term panic disorder. Benzos potentiate the GABA receptors not seratonin. SSRI's are drugs like Lexapro, Paxil, Celexa, etc.. The rebound effect of getting off of benzos is worse than the underlying anxiety condition that you will take them for. I know first hand and can say that getting clean from Xanax was harder than stopping cocaine.

thonglife 05-05-2007 09:30 PM

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How about not being a lazy fuck and fix the problem instaid of mask it with drugs?
You are a fucking idiot

JaneB 05-05-2007 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by websiex (Post 12376933)
I know I have some sort of panic disorder, and I was wondering if anyone with experience knows how prescriptions for these work.

I know a doctor can prescribe you Xanax (Alprazolam)/Klonopin(Clonazepam) to begin an SSRI treatment, but is it possible to just get a prescription for Klonopin or any other long lasting benzodiazepine without getting on a SSRI regimen? (As in you just have a benzo regimen.)

I ask this because SSRIs have been shown to have very negative side effects and even fail to work at all. On the other hand, I have a friend who has an anxiety disorder and receives only Klonopin to take twice a day. He gave me some, and it works perfectly.

Basically.. do most doctors do the SSRI thing, or can you request a long lasting benzodiazepine (Klonopin) regimen. I'm going to the doctor soon, and I think if he puts me on an SSRI regimen I'm going to just deny it... I know for a fact Klonopin works and has no major side effects, so I believe I should just get this drug. I want to avoid SSRIs at all costs.

If you are on any reigmen for anxiety, please post your treatments and thoughts about the drugs used in your regimens. Thanks.



Yes you can take a Benzo without having to take an SSRI. I have a panic disorder and I take Xanax 1 mg, four times a day. Klonopin is a good drug as well. The only side effect is that it can make you very tired, so make sure they start you off at a low dose and then slowly increase the dose if they have to. Do not let any doctor make you feel like you have to take an SSRI drug. I have tried almost all of them except Prozac and I have found the side effects worse then the actual panic. Hit me up if you ever want to chat. I can send you some links to online panic support groups.

JaneB 05-06-2007 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 12376959)
DO NOT TAKE XANAX FOR MORE THAN 2 WEEKS

you will get hooked...its way stronger than heroin

it takes you to happy land & trust me you won't ever wanna go back to dealing with anxiety again

only 5% of long term xanax patients are ever able to stop taking it

klonopin is a safe alternative



That is bullshit. Only 1 percent of people that take Xanax for an extended amount of time become addicted. If you take it like you are told to you do not become addicted. The people that become addicts take more then they were supposed to. I have no clue where you get this shit from. It is not from the AMA or any decent doctor.

Funbrunette 05-06-2007 12:09 AM

This is a sticky subject. Having suffered from panick attacks since my early 20's I can say it feels like hell, almost a death setence. First off accept it. Who gives a flying about what people here on GFY think, do you really care? What matters is getting you feeling "normal" again for now. Taking benzos is NOT a sign of weakness. People take an advil for a headache no?

It is really good idea that you see a therapist and a psychiatrist for help. Meds for panic disorder do help, a lot, but they can't "fix" the underlying cause of the panic disorder. a combination of meds along with good solid therapy can definately change the patterns that induce the panic disorder, so you are on the right track. You're doing your research and that's smart. Remember EVERYONE is different and react differently to benzos.

I've met a few wonderful people in the business that have shared the same problem with me and have helped me (genuine people). I am forever thankful.

With that being said proceed with caution they can be EXTREMELY addictive. Try and use it as a temporary crutch to help you work through these issues. But mostly reach out for help, find forums that deal and discuss these issues.

Sad thing but a reality if you had a broken arm it could easily be "fixed" and people would actually feel sorry for you, because it's something "you can't see" people that have never experinced a panick attack are clueless and as far as I'm concerned what matters at the end of the day is that you get better PERIOD. You'll always find people to voice their opinion on a subject that affect so many people and the help is out there.

The journey begins with the first step. You have taken that step and I can only hope that you will find what you are looking for. It is there, believe me, and you will find it someday. Just be patient and it will come. Without a doubt you will meet some people along the way....but remember, "princibles before personalities" is always the best guide in this life. I offer my best of wishes to you!

Funbrunette-xxx-

JaneB 05-06-2007 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by websiex (Post 12377271)
How do you fix a problem that doesn't exist, only within your mind. Do I want to think like a nut, no. Do I have the choice to not think like a nut, no? Do I have a solution to stop thinking like a nut, no.

It isn't lazy, it is just something unexplainable that goes on in my mind. You probably have to experience it to understand it.. so I don' think I'll get far with a reply to you about my situation.

Basically, it is unknown why I think like this, so I can't really "fix the problem", and it isn't "masking" it if there is a real chemical problem to begin with; I mean, people that use Accutane are "masking" their acne problem, because it can't be "fixed". Accutane stops, acne comes back, because acne is a disease. It can be quite possible that I have a chemical imbalance (like a disease) that benzodiazepines "fix" by "masking" it as you would say. Masking it isn't the word, especially if it "Fixes" the mental illness just by popping a pill and not even getting any negative side effects with certain drugs (Klonopin).

Remember, all illnesses are outside of the body; there are mental illnesses. Schizophrenia for example, you can be a schizophrenic, or you can take a drug to "fix/mask" the symptoms and live a normal life. There isn't a "NATURAL" treatment that is going to cure it, but if drugs do the trick, why not?

I just can't believe you have the nerve to call me a lazy fuck, when I don't even know what the fuck is causing it.


People that do not have panic attacks do not understand. They never will. You are also not a nut. Panic attacks can be caused by a few factors that doctors know of. Chemical imbalance, genetics, a major life change, and stress. It has nothing to do with being lazy. 2.4 million people in the US have panic attacks. Medication does not mask the problem. It will help you function while you learn how to control your panic attacks. I would recommend getting a therapist and starting CBT training. That person that said you are lazy, is a stupid fucker. Most people with panic attacks do work out and eat right. They will try anything to be normal again. Don't let negative comments on here get to you. You know how peopleon here are. Drop me an e-mail at [email protected] and we can chat about it off here.

websiex 05-06-2007 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 12379946)
Yes you can take a Benzo without having to take an SSRI. I have a panic disorder and I take Xanax 1 mg, four times a day. Klonopin is a good drug as well. The only side effect is that it can make you very tired, so make sure they start you off at a low dose and then slowly increase the dose if they have to. Do not let any doctor make you feel like you have to take an SSRI drug. I have tried almost all of them except Prozac and I have found the side effects worse then the actual panic. Hit me up if you ever want to chat. I can send you some links to online panic support groups.

I am definitely not going to take any SSRI; I'll just flat out reject that treatment and go to a different doctor. I'd prefer Klonopin because it lasts longer, so I would be on a low pill count treatment.

Also, my friend gave me Klonopin and it worked wonders, but like you said.. it does make you drowsy. I wonder if a doctor would prescribe a low dose Adderall prescription to counteract the drowsiness of Clonazepam?

Also, are these benzodiazepine treatments supposed to be stopped? I mean, they don't actually make the thoughts go away after treatment do they? I can't ever imagine being 'normal' again; I think once you know that feeling it is unforgetable and will always haunt you.

Funbrunette 05-06-2007 12:14 AM

Oh and a heads up...I could be wrong, but I don't think if you yake it once a day you'd build up enough of a constant blood level to develop full blown physical dependancy. Can anyone correct me on this if I"m wrong, please?
What you can build up that fast though, is tolerance, so that the same amount of the benzo no longer works as well. That is how it starts..People need to take higher and higher amounts, and then start taking them more than once a day, and before you know it, you've got a dangerous physical addiction going. Keep yourself in check and speak with your doctor.

Good luck and keep your chin up! :winkwink:

websiex 05-06-2007 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Funbrunette (Post 12379999)
Oh and a heads up...I could be wrong, but I don't think if you yake it once a day you'd build up enough of a constant blood level to develop full blown physical dependancy. Can anyone correct me on this if I"m wrong, please?
What you can build up that fast though, is tolerance, so that the same amount of the benzo no longer works as well. That is how it starts..People need to take higher and higher amounts, and then start taking them more than once a day, and before you know it, you've got a dangerous physical addiction going. Keep yourself in check and speak with your doctor.

Good luck and keep your chin up! :winkwink:

Do you know if benzo treatments ever stop? I mean, I can't imagine not ever being "normal", even while on Klonopin - the thoughts are still there but it is like it doesn't matter or something. I think if I went off the benzo it would start to matter again... it is hard to explain, this seems like a life long illness, but I may be wrong?

Also, Clonazepam patients do not develop a tolerence in most cases, but they do develop a dependance. So, no, you wouldn't have to keep upping the milligrams, you'd just be stuck on what is called a "low dose dependence". I guess you would wean yourself off from there if you ever were "cured" of your problem.

JaneB 05-06-2007 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by websiex (Post 12379996)
I am definitely not going to take any SSRI; I'll just flat out reject that treatment and go to a different doctor. I'd prefer Klonopin because it lasts longer, so I would be on a low pill count treatment.

Also, my friend gave me Klonopin and it worked wonders, but like you said.. it does make you drowsy. I wonder if a doctor would prescribe a low dose Adderall prescription to counteract the drowsiness of Clonazepam?

Also, are these benzodiazepine treatments supposed to be stopped? I mean, they don't actually make the thoughts go away after treatment do they? I can't ever imagine being 'normal' again; I think once you know that feeling it is unforgetable and will always haunt you.



I personally hate the SSRI drugs. They use them for everything. So far they are used for depression, panic, anxiety, OCD, and social anxiety. I am sure they will find more things to use them for. They also make you gain weight. Some people gain 20 pounds, some have gained up to 100.

The first few days on any dose of Klonopin you will feel tired. That is a normal side effect. It does go away as long as your dose is not to high. I am sure they will start you on a low dose and go higher if needed.

You take take Benzo's for years. They do not have to be short term. They will ween you off of them when the time comes. I know people that have been on Klonopin for 7 years. I am not sure why people think they are only for a short term use, that is not true. Xanax is also not as addictive as people make it out to be. I have known plenty of people that took it for years and came off of it just fine. I think people like to scare other people by saying that.

You will be normal again, it just may be a long road. With medication and therapy you can lead a normal life again. Make sure to get a therapist, medication alone is not enough.

JaneB 05-06-2007 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Funbrunette (Post 12379999)
Oh and a heads up...I could be wrong, but I don't think if you yake it once a day you'd build up enough of a constant blood level to develop full blown physical dependancy. Can anyone correct me on this if I"m wrong, please?
What you can build up that fast though, is tolerance, so that the same amount of the benzo no longer works as well. That is how it starts..People need to take higher and higher amounts, and then start taking them more than once a day, and before you know it, you've got a dangerous physical addiction going. Keep yourself in check and speak with your doctor.

Good luck and keep your chin up! :winkwink:


Klonopin is usually taken at least twice a day by most on it. Since he is new to panic attacks they may put him on it three times a day and lower it as he gets better. Most people on klonopin do not build up a tolerance. It seems like the benzo's take longer to build up a tolerance then the SRRI's do.


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