I'm too stupid to reply to for asking questions like this...

So you'll have to ask to get an answer...

Actually my real question is this...

Why does affordable site design need a full time tales rep? Jon said he does not do the designs, and he spends a hell of a lot of time here. Why wouldn't he just sell his own product? Wouldn't that make more sense? Instead of posting crap in threads, and calling everyone a troll he could just push his own product?

I will answer you KK...

I had him post in that thread it was booked out because the thread was ruined at that point and I just wanted it closed and over with...

It really was not booked out, Steve closed a total of $30 in design while he worked for me.. He had about $500 in the works, but he wasn't able to close em up..

Jon,

simply put; there are some things, whether they are true or completely false, that a (former) employer simply DOESN'T say! Your comment was one of them. Maybe he's not cut out to sell, maybe he's not cut out to piss against the wind, either. Both things are probably logical to him, but surely not yours to point out.
If NF would have liked to state his inability to do sales calls, he would have probably mentioned that in his starting post. Since he asked for a position as tech support, you really overstepped your boundaries there.

On a second note; If you'd do your job as a boss right, you'd take this person under your wings and teach, shape and form him to the point where he's most successful in his position and beneficial to your company. It's called employee training - most companies have it.

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of Jon bashing here, but you gotta admit yourself that your people skills need a serious overhaul. Most of your threads/posts are a perfect demo of how business people should not behave.

just my :2 cents:, though

Here, I will take you off the list for a post and answer you..

He contacted me and asked me to give him a shot, I gave him a shot...

I didn't really need him...

I would how ever like to find someone that is motivated to generate business for a month or so and prove thereselves then handle all the clients after that because I have bigger and better things in the works..

I have no personal shit against you, I don't take board shit home with me, it's just part of the game.

But, you have acted quite wrong a few times, and gotten out of control, on here and other boards, and with me.

I think you should read the post by eporn a lot you can learn there.

In adult you should be always learning and never teaching.

At the time I didn't think it was all that bad to say.. I was just being honest... But now that I look back I shoulda left that part out..

And for the record I tried to teach him and mold him, that is the whole reason I agreed to give him a shot.. He is the one who decided to give up, I did not fire him!

Then why does it seem like you are always on my ass talking shit to me bringing up the past..?


That is part of the game I am not hear to play...

I am a man, men don't talk shit to each other on the internet, if they have problems they handle it face to face..


I have tried over and over agin to warn people to leave me the fuck alone, but some people just want to keep shit up with me and one day someone is gonna go to far a regret it..

I am not one of these suburban kids that grew up talking shit to my friends for the fun of it..

Where I come from you don't do that, if you have a problem with someone you save the words and throw the fist...

Where exactly do you come from?

The inner city...

Ewww...now you are Mongo - you brute!

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You toss more shit around here then anyone. The way you act on here past or not is who you are, and if you're a MAN then you take it.

You cannot talk mad shit then a week later be nice and think people will be like hey he's a great guy.

People give you shit is a direct reaction to your own actions, nothing more then that. If you're a MAN then you need to sleep in the bed you've made for yourself.

Where I come from and what i've gone through in my personal life mean fuckall to doing business. Business is cut throat, you take the good with that bad, just because someone gives you shit you don't need to tell them you're from the inner city and how you "handle" things.

What does that prove, not a fucking thing.

You call people idiots, and all kinds of names, but when someone gives you shit it's the end of the world. The way you are treated here on this board is a direct reaction to who you are.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

99.5% of the time you make me laugh my ass off... :thumbsup

And where most business people come from, playing schoolyard bully ends up with an assault charge and hefty lawsuit. Where you come from sounds like 8th grade recess, not a place where businessmen hang out.

You have one hell of a persecution complex. I have a damn good idea why he wasn't making sales, and it has nothing to do with him not being cut out for them. Take a look at your portfolio, then compare it to any other designer on the board, and the answer is pretty clear. You should be the one taking the time to sell yourself regardless. I never hired anyone to "rep" for me or do "sales", I repped myself on the boards, and when I was still doing design I was often booked months in advance.

Just because Deej thinks you're a twit doesn't mean he's a hater or a bad guy... that just means he thinks you're a twit :P You take stuff wayyyy too personally, but yet you refuse to look at the reasons why people might treat you the way they do or say the things they say to you. I'm not being nasty or bashing on you man, just trying to give you a dose of reality you seem to be missing out on.

A salesman is only as good as his product. :)

Saw this coming from a mile away.

Actually I've seen quite a few talented salesmen around here being able to sell gift-wrapped cow shit. But at least the producers were intelligent enough to wrap the product nicely. :winkwink:

ive never seen a design company have their portfolio not on their site due to 2257 issues...sounds like they have something to hide

wyldesites did that for a while.

Two things fix this with ease. 1 put stars or something over the hardcore material... 2 link off to the stuff they have done.

This joke just keeps getting better. :1orglaugh

dude I might be interested, hitting u up on icq