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  • Walrus
    Confirmed User
    • May 2005
    • 2150

    #1

    Warning Pages (On Blogs)

    I notice no blogs have any warning pages. Why is that a TGP or a paysite has to have a warning page if there is explicit content, and blogs do not. Forgive me, if this is a stupid question... But I'm about to start my first blog and wanted to make sure I'm not breaking any rules.
  • Zuss
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2004
    • 1187

    #2
    Because its bad for SEO...
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    • nikooo
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      • Apr 2007
      • 1199

      #3
      this is a interesting question.........

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      • Miguel T
        ♦ Web Developer ♦
        • May 2005
        • 12473

        #4
        I have seen a few blogs with Warning Pages... But I also never use them...

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        • Chef86
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2006
          • 2930

          #5
          This is a good question. I have a blog however I dont have a warning page on it at all.

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          • Boobs
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2006
            • 7875

            #6
            yea i never use them

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            • Murderous
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2003
              • 3938

              #7
              TGP's don't "have" to use them, and neither do blogs. Just the majority of TGP's you have seen "chose" to use them, and the majority of blogs you have seen simply have not.

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              • Jorj
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                • Apr 2007
                • 242

                #8
                We have one, pornbilly.com

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                • Jarmusch
                   
                  • May 2003
                  • 12479

                  #9
                  I must have been looking at the wrong TGP's, most of the ones I see don't have a warning page.

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                  • Jace
                    FBOP Class Of 2013
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 35562

                    #10
                    who cares anymore?

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                    • selena
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 7995

                      #11
                      Mine have warning pages.
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                      • Murderous
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                        • Oct 2003
                        • 3938

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jace
                        who cares anymore?
                        I know, right.

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                        • crockett
                          in a van by the river
                          • May 2003
                          • 76818

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Zuss
                          Because its bad for SEO...
                          lies.....


                          All my blogs have warning pages as well as my TGPs and I do ok in the SE's. If you do it right it's another page to get some pre selling on and can help you with SE traffic.
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                          • DWB
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 31779

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Murderous
                            TGP's don't "have" to use them, and neither do blogs. Just the majority of TGP's you have seen "chose" to use them, and the majority of blogs you have seen simply have not.
                            Bullshit. If you have adult content, you need to have one.

                            Its because the idiots who own them think they are exempt from any warning pages, efforts to keep children off their blog, or from stopping those who do not want to view their site and accidentally stumbled across it.

                            It is typical porn biz irresponsibility and it will remain this way until someone gets a serious smack down. At that point the bloggers an TGP owners will react like the sky is falling and you will see 200 threads a day about it on GFY, along with a million reasons why you should donate to the FSC.

                            By NOT having a warning page you are saying that YOU WANT CHILDREN TO ACCESS YOUR SITE. There is no other way to interpret the message you are sending by not having one.

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                            • jayeff
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                              • May 2001
                              • 2944

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                              By NOT having a warning page you are saying that YOU WANT CHILDREN TO ACCESS YOUR SITE.
                              Or you might simply be facing the twin realities that a warning page is not going to deter any minor intent on accessing your site and that such warning pages have never been tested in court. Were you to ever find yourself in that unfortunate position, you could reasonably be accused of putting up a warning page you knew to be ineffective, thus actually doing nothing except giving yourself the chance to claim in court that you attempted to keep minors out.

                              I see no harm in warning pages and possible marketing benefits from them. But it is an illusion to imagine they protect sites against minors or our legal position in that regard.

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                              • Jace
                                FBOP Class Of 2013
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 35562

                                #16
                                Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                Bullshit. If you have adult content, you need to have one.

                                Its because the idiots who own them think they are exempt from any warning pages, efforts to keep children off their blog, or from stopping those who do not want to view their site and accidentally stumbled across it.

                                It is typical porn biz irresponsibility and it will remain this way until someone gets a serious smack down. At that point the bloggers an TGP owners will react like the sky is falling and you will see 200 threads a day about it on GFY, along with a million reasons why you should donate to the FSC.

                                By NOT having a warning page you are saying that YOU WANT CHILDREN TO ACCESS YOUR SITE. There is no other way to interpret the message you are sending by not having one.
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                                • Jace
                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 35562

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by jayeff
                                  Or you might simply be facing the twin realities that a warning page is not going to deter any minor intent on accessing your site and that such warning pages have never been tested in court. Were you to ever find yourself in that unfortunate position, you could reasonably be accused of putting up a warning page you knew to be ineffective, thus actually doing nothing except giving yourself the chance to claim in court that you attempted to keep minors out.

                                  I see no harm in warning pages and possible marketing benefits from them. But it is an illusion to imagine they protect sites against minors or our legal position in that regard.
                                  but but but, don't you know that anyone under 18 doesn't have the ability to click on the enter button? I think paul markham was the first to use that system, he coined the term "magic enter links"

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                                  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                    Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                    • Jul 2004
                                    • 38323

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                    Bullshit. If you have adult content, you need to have one.

                                    Its because the idiots who own them think they are exempt from any warning pages, efforts to keep children off their blog, or from stopping those who do not want to view their site and accidentally stumbled across it.

                                    It is typical porn biz irresponsibility and it will remain this way until someone gets a serious smack down. At that point the bloggers an TGP owners will react like the sky is falling and you will see 200 threads a day about it on GFY, along with a million reasons why you should donate to the FSC.

                                    By NOT having a warning page you are saying that YOU WANT CHILDREN TO ACCESS YOUR SITE. There is no other way to interpret the message you are sending by not having one.
                                    I was reading through this thread, hearing the one note chorus wailing away, and was weighing whether to be the lone dissenting voice once again. Thank you for sparing me.

                                    If anyone wants to be the test case for not labeling their site as adult, having no 2257 statement or incorrectly listing a PO Box or email address etc, then by all means do so. You increase the likelihood that I will not be among those hauled into court.

                                    When in doubt, I prefer to err on the side of caution.

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                                    • Deej
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                                      • Jun 2005
                                      • 24386

                                      #19
                                      I have warning pop ups that ask you if youre of age...it wont load if you dont push ok... no actual page...but it asks for verification

                                      I dont know if it deters people or not really

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                                      • Murderous
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 3938

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by crockett
                                        ...it's another page to get some pre selling on and can help you with SE traffic.

                                        'tis true as well.

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                                        • mattz
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2001
                                          • 7697

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Jace
                                          who cares anymore?
                                          exactly, not sure how the SE's would like that also

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                                          • Boobmeister
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                                            • Feb 2007
                                            • 105

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                            I was reading through this thread, hearing the one note chorus wailing away, and was weighing whether to be the lone dissenting voice once again. Thank you for sparing me.

                                            If anyone wants to be the test case for not labeling their site as adult, having no 2257 statement or incorrectly listing a PO Box or email address etc, then by all means do so. You increase the likelihood that I will not be among those hauled into court.

                                            When in doubt, I prefer to err on the side of caution.

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                                            Don't forget that some Senators are trying to push through another internet porn bill. One of the main points is that all adult sites must have a warning page.
                                            Especially if you are a US webmaster, it doesn't make sense to build a new adult site without a proper warning page.

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                                            • chaze
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 9774

                                              #23
                                              I think not having them might contribute to the fuel for congressman to ban internet porn. I would recommend having one for sure.

                                              But really the main thing is to have a the adult tad in the header, that way filters like netnanny can easily recognize the content.
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                                              • Walrus
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • May 2005
                                                • 2150

                                                #24
                                                Hmm. Interesting. I thought for some reason most TGPs did. So it looks like I should be getting a warning page for this then. But if a surfer finds the blog through a keyword he typed into the SE, it's most likely not going to bring them to the Warning Page? So in the end, it's just a prevention against getting into any trouble.

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                                                • TheDoc
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 13827

                                                  #25
                                                  A warning page 100% does not effect your rankings, domain rankings, or possible rankings in the search engines. If you have a problem with trying to tell google/yahoo/ask which is the authority page then use a sitemap.

                                                  If done correctly the warning page should drop its page value and pass it to the main page, where it should be.
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                                                  • djroof
                                                    JuicyDevils.gr Owner
                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                    • 25505

                                                    #26
                                                    Haven't seen that...

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                                                    • Jace
                                                      FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 35562

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                      A warning page 100% does not effect your rankings, domain rankings, or possible rankings in the search engines. If you have a problem with trying to tell google/yahoo/ask which is the authority page then use a sitemap.

                                                      If done correctly the warning page should drop its page value and pass it to the main page, where it should be.
                                                      see, but then the issue arises that if you have a sitemap, more than the warning page will be indexed therefor accessible without the warning page from the SE's, where most minors find their porn

                                                      in order to do it properly you would have to have code on the server level so that no matter where or how they came to your site the warning page would pop up

                                                      then there is the tgp trades issue, you don't wanna send your trade to a warning page, but then again you always want to have warning page to protect yourself, so what do you do then?

                                                      what about people that come from affiliate link that NEVER have a warning page? should affiliate program start sending affiliate links to a warning page? would the affiliates in this thread mind that?

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                                                      • TheDoc
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 13827

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Jace
                                                        see, but then the issue arises that if you have a sitemap, more than the warning page will be indexed therefor accessible without the warning page from the SE's, where most minors find their porn

                                                        in order to do it properly you would have to have code on the server level so that no matter where or how they came to your site the warning page would pop up

                                                        then there is the tgp trades issue, you don't wanna send your trade to a warning page, but then again you always want to have warning page to protect yourself, so what do you do then?

                                                        what about people that come from affiliate link that NEVER have a warning page? should affiliate program start sending affiliate links to a warning page? would the affiliates in this thread mind that?
                                                        You don't need a warning page, no laws, no rules..

                                                        The point of this is to NOT get the warning page listed.. "NOBODY" needs a warning page coming FROM an adult site or se term. If they are surfing adult, from the se's or TGP's they NEVER need to see my warning page.

                                                        Like wise, if you have an affiliate ID, why do your visitors ever need to see the warning page?

                                                        You can also redirect google users from your warning page to the main page, google hasn't cared for years.
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                                                        • alexg
                                                          IL4L.com
                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                          • 11287

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Jace
                                                          who cares anymore?
                                                          yeah exactly....

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                                                          • Jace
                                                            FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                            • 35562

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                            You don't need a warning page, no laws, no rules..

                                                            The point of this is to NOT get the warning page listed.. "NOBODY" needs a warning page coming FROM an adult site or se term. If they are surfing adult, from the se's or TGP's they NEVER need to see my warning page.

                                                            Like wise, if you have an affiliate ID, why do your visitors ever need to see the warning page?

                                                            You can also redirect google users from your warning page to the main page, google hasn't cared for years.
                                                            i thought the issue here was keeping porn away from children, not the laws as they stand

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                                                            • Murderous
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                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                              • 3938

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                                              i thought the issue here was keeping porn away from children, not the laws as they stand
                                                              It is much easier to keep children away from porn than to keep porn away from children.

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                                                              • Jace
                                                                FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                • 35562

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Murderous
                                                                It is much easier to keep children away from porn than to keep porn away from children.
                                                                damn, that was some pretty nice talkin there...did you come up with that?

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                                                                • TheDoc
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 13827

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Jace
                                                                  i thought the issue here was keeping porn away from children, not the laws as they stand
                                                                  Well Jace, if you are so up for this.. Then why haven't you set all your unique blog pages in google to hit the warning page first?

                                                                  If a person (kid or adult) is on google searching for porn or already on another adult site - You don't need to show a warning page. By doing so you increase your bounce rates by as high as 25%..
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                                                                  • Murderous
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                    • 3938

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                    damn, that was some pretty nice talkin there...did you come up with that?
                                                                    Nope, you did. I just put it into perspective.

                                                                    Parents should monitor their childrens online activity. If they don't... then they are to blame. Not us.

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                                                                    • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                      Ah My Balls
                                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                                      • 14311

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Murderous
                                                                      Nope, you did. I just put it into perspective.

                                                                      Parents should monitor their childrens online activity. If they don't... then they are to blame. Not us.
                                                                      what a parent say they arent raising their kids right??? NEVER

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                                                                      • Fetish Gimp
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                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                        • 1699

                                                                        #36
                                                                        It was either creating a new thread or bump this one from the grave

                                                                        I've searched gfy for an answer to this seemingly simple feature for wordpress based blogs, and after some net searching I found two solutions:

                                                                        http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-door/
                                                                        and
                                                                        http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/age-verification/

                                                                        wp-door works as long as you follow these instructions.

                                                                        I haven't gotten around to test the second one yet, it's on my to do list.

                                                                        Anybody else have other warning page plugins for wordpress worth checking out?
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                                                                        • Dirty Dane
                                                                          Sick Fuck
                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                          • 9491

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Put adult filter on your blog.

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                                                                          • d-null
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                                                                            • Apr 2007
                                                                            • 13724

                                                                            #38
                                                                            blogs are so 2008

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                                                                            • L-Pink
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                                                                              • Mar 2005
                                                                              • 39151

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                              Bullshit. If you have adult content, you need to have one.

                                                                              Its because the idiots who own them think they are exempt from any warning pages, efforts to keep children off their blog, or from stopping those who do not want to view their site and accidentally stumbled across it.

                                                                              It is typical porn biz irresponsibility and it will remain this way until someone gets a serious smack down. At that point the bloggers an TGP owners will react like the sky is falling and you will see 200 threads a day about it on GFY, along with a million reasons why you should donate to the FSC.

                                                                              By NOT having a warning page you are saying that YOU WANT CHILDREN TO ACCESS YOUR SITE. There is no other way to interpret the message you are sending by not having one.
                                                                              Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                              I was reading through this thread, hearing the one note chorus wailing away, and was weighing whether to be the lone dissenting voice once again. Thank you for sparing me.

                                                                              If anyone wants to be the test case for not labeling their site as adult, having no 2257 statement or incorrectly listing a PO Box or email address etc, then by all means do so. You increase the likelihood that I will not be among those hauled into court.

                                                                              When in doubt, I prefer to err on the side of caution.

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                                                                              • Agent 488
                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                • 22511

                                                                                #40
                                                                                why bother? it's 2009 not 1999.

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                                                                                • kane
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                  • 20684

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  It seems like warning pages on just about anything is just a formality. If your blog has a warning page and you get most of your traffic from SE's then changes are those posts/pages that are listed in the SE's will get the traffic sent directly to them and it will bypass the warning page unless you have some kind of dynamic page set up that everyone sees it no matter how they get to the site.

                                                                                  The same with TGP. A TGP might have warning page, but I would venture to guess that most of the SE traffic bypasses it and goes right to the main page.

                                                                                  BTW just as an experiment I typed porn tgp into google and not one of the top 10 results has a warning page. Still. I use them just because I fell more comfortable with them there.

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                                                                                  • MediaGuy
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                    • 5500

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                    Bullshit. If you have adult content, you need to have one.
                                                                                    Sorry to interject here, but is there really a law or regulation that says you do?


                                                                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                    Its because the idiots who own them think they are exempt from any warning pages, efforts to keep children off their blog, or from stopping those who do not want to view their site and accidentally stumbled across it.
                                                                                    My blogs are all topless or nude. They're also labeled with http://www.rtalabel.org/ the RTA tag. Should I warn "kids" further with a tantalizing warning page before they hit the blog when they can land on news, war, and football sites without any kind of warning? Is a tit or pussy worse than an open-bone fracture?

                                                                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                    It is typical porn biz irresponsibility and it will remain this way until someone gets a serious smack down. At that point the bloggers an TGP owners will react like the sky is falling and you will see 200 threads a day about it on GFY, along with a million reasons why you should donate to the FSC.
                                                                                    I don't agree about porn "irresponsibility" but you're right about the probable smack-down. And the reaction lol.

                                                                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                    By NOT having a warning page you are saying that YOU WANT CHILDREN TO ACCESS YOUR SITE. There is no other way to interpret the message you are sending by not having one.
                                                                                    Absolute disagreement.

                                                                                    Absence of a warning doesn't imply tacit permission or DESIRE to have your site accessed by children anymore than MSNBC's lack of a warning implies they want children to view war footage. Use of a "warning" is merely good form/etiquette to satisfy the moralists out there who think sex is worse than violence.

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                                                                                    • Fetish Gimp
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                                                                                      • Feb 2005
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                                                      Put adult filter on your blog.
                                                                                      The blog is already using RTA labeling.

                                                                                      Originally posted by kane
                                                                                      It seems like warning pages on just about anything is just a formality.
                                                                                      Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                                                      why bother? it's 2009 not 1999.
                                                                                      I see your point(s), but as it's been stated before I prefer to err on the side of caution.

                                                                                      Originally posted by kane
                                                                                      It seems like warning pages on just about anything is just a formality. If your blog has a warning page and you get most of your traffic from SE's then changes are those posts/pages that are listed in the SE's will get the traffic sent directly to them and it will bypass the warning page unless you have some kind of dynamic page set up that everyone sees it no matter how they get to the site.
                                                                                      That's exactly why I'm liking wp-door. As a plugin, it's integrated with wordpress so that even if you're coming from a search link deep within the site you'll still get the warning page. It's configured so that search engine spiders/robots will NOT get the warning page. And you can add more exceptions if necessary.

                                                                                      The other advantage of using a plugin is that I can turn it on or off.
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                                                                                      • NemesisEnforcer
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                                                                                        • Aug 2003
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        WEHT Jace?

                                                                                        Pardon the interruption but did Jace pass away or did he just quit the adult business?

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                                                                                        • peedy
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                                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                                          • 866

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          I use warning pages because regardless of penalty because I think its shows that I care who uses my sites. I know they don't prevent minors from viewing them but at the end of the day I am doing my part to warn users what they are getting into and who the site is intended for. If a minor decides to break the law and enter the site well I can't do much about a person that chooses to be a criminal.
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                                                                                          • digifan
                                                                                            The Profiler
                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                            • 14618

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by NemesisEnforcer
                                                                                            Pardon the interruption but did Jace pass away or did he just quit the adult business?
                                                                                            I may be wrong but he has posted his farewell long ago, quit the biz and has been on a long European journey.
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