April 24 - Armenian Genocide

[Just_Dave]

Today marks the 91 years of denial . Over 1.5 million Armenians were killed.


The atrocities committed against the Armenian people of the Ottoman Empire during W.W.I are called the Armenian Genocide. Genocide is the organized killing of a people for the express purpose of putting an end to their collective existence. Because of its scope, genocide requires central planning and a machinery to implement it. This makes genocide the quintessential state crime as only a government has the resources to carry out such a scheme of destruction. The Armenian Genocide was centrally planned and administered by the Turkish government against the entire Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire. It was carried out during W.W.I between the years 1915 and 1918. The Armenian people was subjected to deportation, expropriation, abduction, torture, massacre, and starvation. The great bulk of the Armenian population was forcibly removed from Armenia and Anatolia to Syria, where the vast majority was sent into the desert to die of thirst and hunger. Large numbers of Armenians were methodically massacred throughout the Ottoman Empire. Women and children were abducted and horribly abused. The entire wealth of the Armenian people was expropriated. After only a little more than a year of calm at the end of W.W.I, the atrocities were renewed between 1920 and 1923, and the remaining Armenians were subjected to further massacres and expulsions. In 1915, thirty-three years before UN Genocide Convention was adopted, the Armenian Genocide was condemned by the international community as a crime against humanity.

Here are some linka for more info :
http://www.theforgotten.org/intro.html
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/genocidefaq.html#What
http://www.genocideevents.com/

[axelcat]

Your the man dave, this is for recognition

[seeric]

yep, sad but true.

i wish there was an native american genocide day, but theres no way that the u.s. will ever admit to that.

good post dave. people need to remember.

[Just_Dave]

Here are some powerful words by William Saroyan


"I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people, whose wars have all been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, literature is unread, music is unheard, and prayers are no more answered. Go ahead, destroy Armenia. See if you can do it. Send them into the desert without bread and water. Burn their homes and churches. Then see if they will not laugh, sing and pray again. For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a new Armenia."

[mazdaman]

rememberance days are good

[Just_Dave]

here are some pics http://www.genocide1915.info/pictures.asp

[white-rob-like-whoa]

Damn... that's fucked up

[uno]

Just another one on the list of "Genocides Most People Never Heard Of".

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by uno

Just another one on the list of "Genocides Most People Never Heard Of".

you are some what right

[BergyK]

Originally Posted by Just_Dave

you are some what right

Good Post Dave. That's why we got to push it so people will recognize it as a genocide.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by uno

Just another one on the list of "Genocides Most People Never Heard Of".

Sad but true, worst of all Turkey refuses to acknowledge it was a genocide.

[Lev]

INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS


President
Israel Charny (Israel)

First Vice-President
Gregory H. Stanton (USA)

Second Vice-President
Linda Melvern (UK)

Secretary-Treasurer
Steven Jacobs (USA)

June 13, 2005


Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan

TC Easbakanlik

Bakanlikir

Ankara, Turkey


Dear Prime Minister Erdogan:


We are writing you this open letter in response to your call for an ?impartial study by historians? concerning the fate of the Armenian people in the Ottoman Empire during World War I.



We represent the major body of scholars who study genocide in North America and Europe. We are concerned that in calling for an impartial study of the Armenian Genocide you may not be fully aware of the extent of the scholarly and intellectual record on the Armenian Genocide and how this event conforms to the definition of the United Nations Genocide Convention. We want to underscore that it is not just Armenians who are affirming the Armenian Genocide but it is the overwhelming opinion of scholars who study genocide: hundreds of independent scholars, who have no affiliations with governments, and whose work spans many countries and nationalities and the course of decades. The scholarly evidence reveals the following:



On April 24, 1915, under cover of World War I, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens ? an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. The rest of the Armenian population fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years.



The Armenian Genocide was the most well-known human rights issue of its time and was reported regularly in newspapers across the United States and Europe. The Armenian Genocide is abundantly documented by thousands of official records of the United States and nations around the world including Turkey?s wartime allies Germany, Austria and Hungary, by Ottoman court-martial records, by eyewitness accounts of missionaries and diplomats, by the testimony of survivors, and by decades of historical scholarship.



The Armenian Genocide is corroborated by the international scholarly, legal, and human rights community:

1) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide.

2) The killings of the Armenians is genocide as defined by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

3) In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars, an organization of the world?s foremost experts on genocide, unanimously passed a formal resolution affirming the Armenian Genocide.

4) 126 leading scholars of the Holocaust including Elie Wiesel and Yehuda Bauer placed a statement in the New York Times in June 2000 declaring the ?incontestable fact of the Armenian Genocide? and urging western democracies to acknowledge it.

5) The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide (Jerusalem), and the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have affirmed the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide.

6) Leading texts in the international law of genocide such as William A. Schabas?s Genocide in International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2000) cite the Armenian Genocide as a precursor to the Holocaust and as a precedent for the law on crimes against humanity.



We note that there may be differing interpretations of genocide?how and why the Armenian Genocide happened, but to deny its factual and moral reality as genocide is not to engage in scholarship but in propaganda and efforts to absolve the perpetrator, blame the victims, and erase the ethical meaning of this history.



We would also note that scholars who advise your government and who are affiliated in other ways with your state-controlled institutions are not impartial. Such so-called ?scholars? work to serve the agenda of historical and moral obfuscation when they advise you and the Turkish Parliament on how to deny the Armenian Genocide. In preventing a conference on the Armenian Genocide from taking place at Bogacizi University in Istanbul on May 25, your government revealed its aversion to academic and intellectual freedom?a fundamental condition of democratic society.



We believe that it is clearly in the interest of the Turkish people and their future as a proud and equal participants in international, democratic discourse to acknowledge the responsibility of a previous government for the genocide of the Armenian people, just as the German government and people have done in the case of the Holocaust.

[Lev]

OVER 200 HOUSE AND SENATE MEMBERS URGE PRESIDENT BUSH TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE GENOCIDE

Washington, DC - The Armenian Assembly of America credited a unified
community effort as 178 House Members today sent a letter urging
President Bush to properly acknowledge the attempted annihilation of
the Armenian people as Genocide while the Senate readied a letter with
31 signatures at press time.

The congressional letters were initiated by Senators John Ensign
(R-NV) and Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Congressional Caucus on Armenian
Issues Caucus Co-Chairs Joe Knollenberg (R-MI) and Frank Pallone,
Jr. (D-NJ) respectively.

"As a world leader, it is important that the United States reaffirm
the incontestable facts of history witnessed and reported by
U.S. Ambassador Henry Morgenthau and acknowledged by others including
President Ronald Reagan," said Ensign and Durbin. "Denial of the
Armenian Genocide diminishes the value we place on human life and the
principles of liberty on which this country is founded."

"The Armenian Genocide is incontrovertible, of which the
U.S. Archives is replete with thousands of pages documenting this
horrific crime," said Co-Chairs Knollenberg and
Pallone. "The President has employed a textbook definition of genocide
to describe the events that occurred from 1915-1923, but a full and
irrevocable U.S. affirmation of the Armenian Genocide is necessary to
prevent such crimes from happening in the future."

"We thank Senators Ensign and Durbin and Congressmen Knollenberg and
Pallone for circulating these critical initiatives requesting that the
President reaffirm the Armenian Genocide," said Board of Trustees
Chairman Hirair Hovnanian. "We also thank the Armenian-American
community for their unified effort in urging their Congressmen to
support Genocide reaffirmation in the face of Turkey's ongoing denial
campaign."

In March, hundreds of activists from across the country attended the
Assembly's pan-Armenian Conference where they urged lawmakers to sign
on to the letters during meetings on Capitol Hill. In his
commemorative statement last year, President Bush did not use the term
"Armenian Genocide," and instead offered the textbook definition of
this crime against humanity.

"On Armenian Remembrance Day, we remember the forced exile and mass
killings of as many as 1.5 million Armenians during the last days of
the Ottoman Empire," the President said in part.

The Assembly looks forward to the President's annual April 24
statement and plans to report on his speech to the community.

The Armenian Assembly of America is the largest Washington-based
nationwide organization promoting public understanding and awareness
of Armenian issues. It is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt membership
organization.

###

NR#2006-037


Editor's Note: The complete list of U.S. Senators and Representatives
who have signed their names to the congressional letters is provided
below.

Co-signers to the Senate letter (at press time):

Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO)
Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
Sen. George Allen (R-VA)
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN)
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Sen. Elizabeth Dole (D-NC)
Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Sen. John Ensign (R-NV)
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI)
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)
Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT)
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)
Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI)
Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV)
Sen. Ken Salazar (D-CO)
Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Sen. John Sununu (R-NH)

Co-signers to the House letter:

Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)
Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
Tom Allen (D-ME)
Rob Andrews (D-NJ)
Joe Baca (D-CA)
Brian Baird (D-WA)
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Charles Bass (R-NH)
Melissa Bean (D-IL)
Bob Beauprez (R-CO)
Xavier Becerra (D-CA)
Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
Howard Berman (D-CA)
Mike Bilirakis (R-FL)
Tim Bishop (D-NY)
Earl Blumenauer (D-OR)
Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY)
Mary Bono (R-CA)
Jeb Bradley (R-NH)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Ken Calvert (R-CA)
Dave Camp (R-MI)
Lois Capps (D-CA)
Michael Capuano (D-MA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Dennis Cardoza (D-CA)
William Lacy Clay (D-MO)
Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO)
John Conyers (D-MI)
Jim Costa (D-CA)
Jerry Costello (D-IL)
Joseph Crowley (D-NY)
Danny Davis (D-IL)
Susan Davis (D-CA)
William Delahunt (D-MA)
Peter DeFazio (D-OR)
Diana DeGette (D-CO)
Rosa DeLauro (D-CT)
Charles Dent (R-PA)
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL)
John Dingell (D-MI)
Lloyd Doggett (D-TX)
John Doolittle (R-CA)
Mike Doyle (D-PA)
David Dreier (R-CA)
Vernon Ehlers (R-MI)
Elliot Engel (D-NY)
Anna Eshoo (D-CA)
Lane Evans (D-IL)
Chaka Fattah (D-PA)
Michael Ferguson (R-NJ)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Michael Fitzpatrick (R-PA)
Mark Foley (R-FL)
Vito Fossella (R-NY)
Barney Frank (D-MA)
Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)
Scott Garrett (R-NJ)
Jim Gibbons (R-NV)
Charles Gonzalez (D-TX)
Al Green (D-TX)
Gene Green (D-TX)
Mark Green (R-WI)
Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)
Luis Gutierrez (D-IL)
Stephanie Herseth (D-SD)
Maurice Hinchey (D-NY)
Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rush Holt (D-NJ)
Mike Honda (D-CA)
Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
Steve Israel (D-NY)
Darrell Issa (R-CA)
Jesse Jackson (D-IL)
Nancy Johnson (R-CT)
Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
Sue Kelly (R-NY)
Mark Kennedy (R-MN)
Patrick Kennedy (D-RI)
Dale Kildee (D-MI)
Mark Steven Kirk (R-IL)
Joe Knollenberg (R-MI)
Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
Randy Kuhl (R-NY)
Jim Langevin (D-RI)
Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX)
John Larson (D-CT)
Sander Levin (D-MI)
John Lewis (D-GA)
Daniel Lipinski (D-IL)
Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ)
Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)
Nita Lowey (D-NY)
Dan Lungren (R-CA)
Stephen Lynch (D-MA)
Carolyn Maloney (D-NY)
Ed Markey (D-MA)
Doris Matsui (D-CA)
Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY)
Betty McCollum (D-MN)
Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI)
Jim McDermott (D-WA)
James McGovern (D-MA)
John McHugh (R-NY)
Buck McKeon (R-CA)
Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
Cathy McMorris (R-WA)
Michael McNulty (D-NY)
Marty Meehan (D-MA)
Michael Michaud (D-ME)
Juanita Millender-McDonald (D-CA)
Candice Miller (R-MI)
Gwen Moore (D-WI)
James Moran (D-VA)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
Grace Napolitano (D-CA)
Richard Neal (D-MA)
Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC)
Devin Nunes (R-CA)
John Olver (D-MA)
C.L. Butch Otter (R-ID)
Frank Pallone (D-NJ)
Bill Pascrell (D-NJ)
Donald Payne (D-NJ)
Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Collin Peterson (D-MN)
Richard Pombo (R-CA)
Jon Porter (R-NV)
George Radanovich (R-CA)
Charles Rangel (D-NY)
Mike Rogers (R-MI)
Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)
Mike Ross (D-AR)
Steven Rothman (D-NJ)
Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Bobby Rush (D-IL)
Paul Ryan (R-WI)
John Salazar (D-CO)
Linda Sanchez (D-CA)
Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)
Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Jim Saxton (R-NJ)
Jan Schakowksy (D-IL)
Adam Schiff (D-CA)
David Scott (D-GA)
Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
Joe Schwarz (R-MI)
E. Clay Shaw (R-FL)
Christopher Shays (R-CT)
Brad Sherman (D-CA)
John Shimkus (R-IL)
Rob Simmons (R-CT)
Chris Smith (R-NJ)
Hilda Solis (D-CA)
Mark Souder (R-IN)
Pete Stark (D-CA)
Ted Strickland (D-OH)
John Sweeney (R-NY)
Ellen Tauscher (D-CA)
Mike Thompson (D-CA)
John Tierney (D-MA)
Edolphus Towns (D-NY)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)
Nydia Velazquez (D-NY)
Peter Visclosky (D-IN)
Maxine Waters (D-CA)
Diane Watson (D-CA)
Henry Waxman (D-CA)
Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
Curt Weldon (R-PA)
Jerry Weller (R-IL)
Joe Wilson (R-SC)
Frank Wolf (R-VA)
Lynn Woolsey (D-CA)

[elitetec]

so many people

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by elitetec

so many people

one too many

[crodj]

My respects to Armenians. Good people

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by crodj

My respects to Armenians. Good people

thank you

[DaddyHalbucks]

I agree this atrocity needs to be acknowledged.

It is a tough political trick though. Turkey is now an ally, in a very hostile part of the world.

[media]

Armenians and Persians have always been cool peps to me... Very respectful and always stand by their word..

I love the food too! Makes me wanna go drive down to have dinner with VIPimp

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by Lev

INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS


President
Israel Charny (Israel)

First Vice-President
Gregory H. Stanton (USA)

Second Vice-President
Linda Melvern (UK)

Secretary-Treasurer
Steven Jacobs (USA)

June 13, 2005


Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan

TC Easbakanlik

Bakanlikir

Ankara, Turkey


Dear Prime Minister Erdogan:


We are writing you this open letter in response to your call for an ?impartial study by historians? concerning the fate of the Armenian people in the Ottoman Empire during World War I.



We represent the major body of scholars who study genocide in North America and Europe. We are concerned that in calling for an impartial study of the Armenian Genocide you may not be fully aware of the extent of the scholarly and intellectual record on the Armenian Genocide and how this event conforms to the definition of the United Nations Genocide Convention. We want to underscore that it is not just Armenians who are affirming the Armenian Genocide but it is the overwhelming opinion of scholars who study genocide: hundreds of independent scholars, who have no affiliations with governments, and whose work spans many countries and nationalities and the course of decades. The scholarly evidence reveals the following:



On April 24, 1915, under cover of World War I, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens ? an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. The rest of the Armenian population fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years.



The Armenian Genocide was the most well-known human rights issue of its time and was reported regularly in newspapers across the United States and Europe. The Armenian Genocide is abundantly documented by thousands of official records of the United States and nations around the world including Turkey?s wartime allies Germany, Austria and Hungary, by Ottoman court-martial records, by eyewitness accounts of missionaries and diplomats, by the testimony of survivors, and by decades of historical scholarship.



The Armenian Genocide is corroborated by the international scholarly, legal, and human rights community:

1) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide.

2) The killings of the Armenians is genocide as defined by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

3) In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars, an organization of the world?s foremost experts on genocide, unanimously passed a formal resolution affirming the Armenian Genocide.

4) 126 leading scholars of the Holocaust including Elie Wiesel and Yehuda Bauer placed a statement in the New York Times in June 2000 declaring the ?incontestable fact of the Armenian Genocide? and urging western democracies to acknowledge it.

5) The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide (Jerusalem), and the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have affirmed the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide.

6) Leading texts in the international law of genocide such as William A. Schabas?s Genocide in International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2000) cite the Armenian Genocide as a precursor to the Holocaust and as a precedent for the law on crimes against humanity.



We note that there may be differing interpretations of genocide?how and why the Armenian Genocide happened, but to deny its factual and moral reality as genocide is not to engage in scholarship but in propaganda and efforts to absolve the perpetrator, blame the victims, and erase the ethical meaning of this history.



We would also note that scholars who advise your government and who are affiliated in other ways with your state-controlled institutions are not impartial. Such so-called ?scholars? work to serve the agenda of historical and moral obfuscation when they advise you and the Turkish Parliament on how to deny the Armenian Genocide. In preventing a conference on the Armenian Genocide from taking place at Bogacizi University in Istanbul on May 25, your government revealed its aversion to academic and intellectual freedom?a fundamental condition of democratic society.



We believe that it is clearly in the interest of the Turkish people and their future as a proud and equal participants in international, democratic discourse to acknowledge the responsibility of a previous government for the genocide of the Armenian people, just as the German government and people have done in the case of the Holocaust.

Lev you are the fuckin man! I admire you for being so hands on involved in bringing justice to all of us. Please keep it up man, we need more people like you brotha!!

[The Duck]

System of a Down - Soldier side

[Marshal]

this is pretty fucked up! sad, but these things are being repeated over and over again...

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Great Post Dave.

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Great Post Dave.

thanks dave

[Lev]

Originally Posted by Dave Guru

Lev you are the fuckin man! I admire you for being so hands on involved in bringing justice to all of us. Please keep it up man, we need more people like you brotha!!

Thanks bro, we gotta continue fighting, we are almost there

[Kaylum]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave!

i love you man

it's a cruel world we live in, but with faith we keep on movin'

[abyss_al]

great post!! it will be recognized.. all in do time

[Alex]

Things like this need to be remembered so they don't happen again.
Tomorrow is Holocaust Remembrance

I really wish that nothing like this repeats in the future.

[BergyK]

Bump for all us Armenians

[BAKO]

Nice thread Dave

[BAKO]

System of a down

P.L.U.C.K.
Elimination, Elimination, Elimination

Die, Why, Walk Down, Walk Down

A whole race Genocide,
Taken away all of our pride,
A whole race Genocide,
Taken away, watch them all fall down.

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your shit, now it's time for restitution.

Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Watch them all fall down.

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your shit, now it's time for restitution.

The plan was mastered and called Genocide (Never want to see you around)
Took all the children and then we died, (Never want to see you around)
The few that remained were never found, (Never want to see you around)
All in a system of Down......Down.....Down.......Down........Walk Down...........

Know
Cursed Earth, Cursed Earth, Cursed Earth, Cursed Earth.

I will never feed off the evergreen luster of your heart all because we all live in the valley of the walls when we speak we can peak from the windows of their mouths to see the land the women chant as they fly up to the sun.

You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, Ever think you know why,
Know.

Books all say different things while people flap their yellow wings trying
to soar by being a whore of life and almost everything the sheep that ran
off from the herd may be dead but now's a bird able to fly able to die able
to break your cursed earth


You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, Ever think you know why,
Know.

On the other side, on the other side, the other side,
Do you ever try to fly, Do you ever try to fly?
Have you ever wanted to die, you ever want to die?

Don't ever try to fly, don't ever try to fly,
Don't ever try to fly, unless you leave your body on the other side,
Never try to die, you ever try to die.

Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, Ever think you know why, Know.

Watch them all fall down,
Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your shit, now it's time for restitution.

The plan was mastered and called Genocide (Never want to see you around)
Took all the children and then we died, (Never want to see you around)
The few that remained were never found, (Never want to see you around)
All in a system , Down~

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by WWC-Bako

Nice thread Dave

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by Kaylum

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave!

i love you man

it's a cruel world we live in, but with faith we keep on movin'

how have you been

[Art Del Gado]

very good post dave

[Fresh]

this needs a bump

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by NichePay_ART

very good post dave

thanks buddy just trying to spread the word

[BergyK]

Originally Posted by WWC-Bako

System of a down

P.L.U.C.K.
Elimination, Elimination, Elimination

Die, Why, Walk Down, Walk Down

A whole race Genocide,
Taken away all of our pride,
A whole race Genocide,
Taken away, watch them all fall down.

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your shit, now it's time for restitution.

Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Watch them all fall down.

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your shit, now it's time for restitution.

The plan was mastered and called Genocide (Never want to see you around)
Took all the children and then we died, (Never want to see you around)
The few that remained were never found, (Never want to see you around)
All in a system of Down......Down.....Down.......Down........Walk Down...........

Know
Cursed Earth, Cursed Earth, Cursed Earth, Cursed Earth.

I will never feed off the evergreen luster of your heart all because we all live in the valley of the walls when we speak we can peak from the windows of their mouths to see the land the women chant as they fly up to the sun.

You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, Ever think you know why,
Know.

Books all say different things while people flap their yellow wings trying
to soar by being a whore of life and almost everything the sheep that ran
off from the herd may be dead but now's a bird able to fly able to die able
to break your cursed earth


You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, Ever think you know why,
Know.

On the other side, on the other side, the other side,
Do you ever try to fly, Do you ever try to fly?
Have you ever wanted to die, you ever want to die?

Don't ever try to fly, don't ever try to fly,
Don't ever try to fly, unless you leave your body on the other side,
Never try to die, you ever try to die.

Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, You never think you know why,
Know, Ever think you know why, Know.

Watch them all fall down,
Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your shit, now it's time for restitution.

The plan was mastered and called Genocide (Never want to see you around)
Took all the children and then we died, (Never want to see you around)
The few that remained were never found, (Never want to see you around)
All in a system , Down~

Nice One Bako System of a Down Rocks.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Just_Dave

you are some what right

It's right up there with East Timor and R'wanda. More people probably know about R'wanda now because of the movie, but otherwise I'd be willing to bet most people can barely remember hearing about it.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Alex

Things like this need to be remembered so they don't happen again.
Tomorrow is Holocaust Remembrance

I really wish that nothing like this repeats in the future.

It's going on right now. Right this very second.

[reynold]

this is just one of the dark moments in history manifesting human cruelty

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by reynold

this is just one of the dark moments in history manifesting human cruelty

very true

[Phil]

To my Orthodox Brothers?

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

To my Orthodox Brothers?

[Choppa]

April 25 represents out country in remembrance as Anzac Day

"lest we forget"

[Just_Dave]

bump for this year

[seeric]

yep. bump for knowledge and education.

[NinjaSteve]

Whoa, look at all these genocides. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Good Post Dave

[g$$$]

did you know that andre agassi is armenian...? same with jon. b.

[shoeaholicanon]

that's messed up