does that happen alot? :1orglaugh

you put GW Bush in charge of all your missiles and you worry about couple of nuts with handguns?

Do you really think that? With America's current apathy to anything political that we would rise up against an unjust gov't?

There are a lot of people out there with mental problems. Depression is a mental illness not a defect. If that is the case, we would go back to the comment about 1930 Germany with no one owning guns. Most everyone has experience depression at some point in their life!

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No, look at people like Dirty Danza, totally unstable. That guy could snap any day and he has a house full of guns. Hes the type of person that walks on the street with loaded guns, claiming its for self protection but in the meantime he's really hoping someone starts a fight with him. People like him are looking for a reason to use their gun.

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if that was the case you would have already lost about 6 years of fight :winkwink:

Mrpheer, i agree with you that making guns illegal now in the US isnt gonna work. But that "if guns were illegal only the bad guys would have them" arugment that ALL gun owners come up with, why doesnt that seem to be a problem in about ANY other 1st world country?

Yes, we have criminals and some have guns. Just like every other country but the chances of ever seeing a gun here in Holland are very, very small. In other words its waaaaay less dangerous that a few criminals have guns than that every other citizin would have guns to so called protect their families. Know what i mean?

Holland is quite safe eventhough there are guns here and here. Holland wouldnt be nearly as safe as besides those few criminals with guns the rest of people here would own "legal" guns.

And thats the same story with every other country out there. Cept for America. ONLY Americans keep claiming its safer with guns and in the meantime they have a huge fucking gun problem. Only America...

It's not funny to read the everlasting dispute between Americans and Europeans when it comes to gun control.

I've lived in both places for a long time and try to understand both points of view. My opinion, as a European-American, is ambivalent.

First of, not every country in Europe is strict on gun control. Spain isn't, Belgium isn't , and in beautiful Switzerland it's mandatory for adult males who served to have an assault rifle at home. Yet, homicide rates are low in these countries.

Devastating and twisted things like in Virginia happen in countries with strict gun control too, may be not as frequently. I remember similar incidents in Germany, where you have to jump through hoops to own a gun legally.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/e...many.shooting/

The reason why homicide rates are high in the US is not solely due of the easy accessibility of guns. There are social issues as well.

The 2nd Amendment, on which gun ownership in the US is based has advantages too. It was not designed that Americans can walk the streets with a six gun in their belt like John Wayne, it was written as a counter balance to the government, means, in case the government goes wacko, Americans have the right to counteract. The idea might be delusional in these days, but may be not.

I have a 87 year old great aunt who grew up in Nazi Germany. We once asked her how the German people could ever allow a fruitcake like Hitler to take over, especially when only 25-30% of the German population supported the Nazis?

Her answer was: "What could the rest of us have done? Attack Hitler's paratroopers with our bare hands?"

I'n this case armed citizens might have been an advantage. Considered that WWII costed almost 60 million lives the price for armed citizens seems low. I am not saying that WW II wouldn't have happened if the Germans were armed, but it would have been more difficult for the Nazis to drag innocent people out of their homes and ship them off to Auschwitz.

Guns Guns Guns...:)

noone should own guns.. Guns are lame

This is a no brainer...OF COURSE NOT!

sorry - but that's bullshit. hitler got peacefully elected and hating on jews was a common thing since centurys. nothing would have happened, just a few more people being shot right away instead of being killed later

to me you've been to mental hospital no gun for you.

no guns for the crazies!!

that is the biggest amount of propaganda bs i have ever heard

the french resistance didn't seem to have much trouble.. you think they could go to any store and buy a gun?

Hell no!!!

he has a point he was voted in and no one liked the jews.The us wouldnt allow them to immigrate to the us. They knew about the death in the middle of the war and did nothing.

The French resistance IN OCCUPIED FRANCE and Vichy was not as big as it appears today.

For the other moron up there: You are dumber than a suitcase full of rocks, dude.
Hitler did not get elected in July `32, he only had about 37% of all votes. President Hindenburg dissolved the parliament and called for new elections in November `32. In these elections Hitler lost almost 5% an came in with 32%. General Schleicher was appointed, hoping they could crush the Nazis, which did not work out becase Hitler had an army of well armed strom troopers while other parties, like the communists and social democrats had nothing. They gave up in January `33 and appointed Hitler Chancelor.

On March 15, 1933, a cabinet meeting was held during which Hitler and Göring discussed how to obstruct what was left of the democratic Germany to get an enabling act passed by the Reichstag.

So face it. There were only 1 out of 3 Germans who supported Hitler, and quite a few tried to fight the Nazis in fierce street battles. In the end it was all pointless because Hitler's men were armed and the other's weren't.

yeah, exactly, and canada was even worse - they refused to raise their limit of like 1000 jewish immigrants a year

Hell NO!

People with mental problems already own guns.
How are you going to backtrack that?

dude? moron? dumb? well, keep believing that guns in the hands of anyone would have changed anything. and congrats on your manners, now go and wash your mouth

Stop whining, sissie boy, and read up on your own pathetic history. Remember Mr. Dubczek in Spring `68? Eh? Your little revolution lasted only for two days.

The reason why you guys were eating Soviet shit for decades was because you had either no guns or no spine back then (or both).

totally agree!!!

the store owner didn't know...

no way man

the problem is not the gun.
the problem is the doctors who know someone is crazy and going to hurt someone and do nothing about it.
that is the problem.
but the doctors are holier than thou, so they get away with doing nothing.
scuzbag lawyers and judges protecting scuzbag doctors.
if the gun had never been invented the nutjobs would still find a way to carry out their plan; knife, club, bomb or even a car.
should we stop making cars?
and how about poison?

lol - i'm not czech - now stop using google and grow some manners :winkwink:

that should be up to their doctor, so i guess with doctors approval.

Well, you're still a whiner, and you surely aren't American, or you'd know that the term "dude" is in no way derogatory.

pretty hard to define who has mental problems. lots of crazy people in the world