dieselcash

[AaronM]

If anybody knows anything about dieselcash, please tell me now. They are on my shitlist and the storm is about to start.

[mrthumbs]

promising start..

[playa]

what happen,,, i've known diesel for awhile and never heard any problems before

[hahmike]

so i guess this is going to be one of those "popcorn" threads that never really amounts to anything?

[AaronM]

Originally posted by playa
what happen,,, i've known diesel for awhile and never heard any problems before

Let's just say that if you are promoting their program that I would not trust that the free content they offer you is legit.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by AaronM


Let's just say that if you are promoting their program that I would not trust that the free content they offer you is legit.

Nail em to the Cross Aaron.

[nocostporn]

Good to have you back ... Now crucify em!

[Just the Village Idiot]

interesting... interested in the result... even though I don't promote them... at least I don't think...

[Just the Village Idiot]

ok -- I just got a little better idea on PJ's... why not post it here?

[grumpy]

Im getting the popcorn and the beers....sitting here in the lazyboy....let the rumble start

[steffie]

I got the butter!!
sitting back,, refresh refresh

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Just the Village Idiot
ok -- I just got a little better idea on PJ's... why not post it here?

Cause I have been gone for a week and I am posting to a shitload of boards as well as catching up on some other business. Feel free to spill the beans if you like.

[Jayson]

Aaron - I am with you on this one. There is definatley promo content there that isnt licensed.

Hit me up if you like - a coordinated attempt may be in order.

Jayson

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Jayson
Aaron - I am with you on this one. There is definatley promo content there that isnt licensed.

Hit me up if you like - a coordinated attempt may be in order.

Jayson

The flames are crackling...

[Paul Markham]

Give me the URL.

[Jayson]

its www.dieselcash.com

I am not sure if any of your stuff is there Charly. He has bought the content from me and I assume Aaron but he is giving it away as free to his affiliates which is definatley a no no for sets of mine.

[kmanrox]

they working fine for me man

[nocostporn]

Dear Webmasters,
The free content downloads had been disabled.
Please use our automatic gallery builder instead which is located at http://www.pussyland.net/
and please accept our apologies for the temporary inconvenience.



guilty as charged

[diesel]

The free content downloads on dieselcash.com are TEMPORARY disabled, while we are rechecking the licenses of each end every content provider. We are NOT planning to disable it totally since as far as I see by now, distribution of the limited number of images for TGP posting does NOT violates the terms and condition of most of the content providers. Therefore, the content downloads would be available again within a couple of days, once our attorney finishes checking the licenses. Again, there was NO license problem with most of the offered content, we just want to be 100% sure about each and every image.
Regarding the claim of AaronM, according to his license the ONLY problem we have discovered, is that his license allows using up to 10 images per TGP set, while we were offering 15.
We are going to correct this issue, as well, as the number if images offered by other content providers according to license of each and every one of them as it will be advised by our attorney and the content downloads would be back online approximately this Monday.

AaronM, if you were contacting us directly, I believe we were able to resolve this in the most profitable way for both of us, however, since you have decided to go public, before reading your own license and contacting us directly this is what gonna happen:

Of course we will reduce the promo image sets down to 10 images per set, since we have no intention to violate the terms and condition of anyone we work with. However, since we prefer to purchase the adult content from the ADULT content providers ONLY, we have no choice, but to stop purchasing the content from you, despite it?s quality.

[mrthumbs]

Diz or anyone else at DC: hook me up on ICQ 160272407.

tnx

[Living For Today]

Originally posted by diz
The free content downloads on dieselcash.com are TEMPORARY disabled, while we are rechecking the licenses of each end every content provider. We are NOT planning to disable it totally since as far as I see by now, distribution of the limited number of images for TGP posting does NOT violates the terms and condition of most of the content providers. Therefore, the content downloads would be available again within a couple of days, once our attorney finishes checking the licenses. Again, there was NO license problem with most of the offered content, we just want to be 100% sure about each and every image.
Regarding the claim of AaronM, according to his license the ONLY problem we have discovered, is that his license allows using up to 10 images per TGP set, while we were offering 15.
We are going to correct this issue, as well, as the number if images offered by other content providers according to license of each and every one of them as it will be advised by our attorney and the content downloads would be back online approximately this Monday.

AaronM, if you were contacting us directly, I believe we were able to resolve this in the most profitable way for both of us, however, since you have decided to go public, before reading your own license and contacting us directly this is what gonna happen:

Of course we will reduce the promo image sets down to 10 images per set, since we have no intention to violate the terms and condition of anyone we work with. However, since we prefer to purchase the adult content from the ADULT content providers ONLY, we have no choice, but to stop purchasing the content from you, despite it?s quality.

Correct me if Im wrong but when it says you can use a certain amount of pictures for tgp purposes I would assume it is on the domains you own or specify on the licence. You cant just give out the content to all your webmasters.

[hyper]

APIC APIC APIC

[Jayson]

I will say that the guys contacted me after I had posted in this thread and before I had a chance to email them, and have assured me the downloads are coming down. Thanks for getting onto it quickly even before I contacted you.

However regarding this statement in the post above

We are NOT planning to disable it totally since as far as I see by now, distribution of the limited number of images for TGP posting does NOT violates the terms and condition of most of the content providers.

I am not sure of any content provider that allows you to give sets away to webmasters without buying a specific license to do so. It basically makes content totally worthless if you are giving it away to 1000's of affiliates for free so no one is going to let you do that for a set that you are only paying $30 for that probably cost several hundred to produce.


I have made the guys at dieselcash aware that if we do come across galleries with our content in it that has been provided by dieselcash we will be issuing DMCA take down notices so if you are an affiliate and using the free downloadable content (the hosted galleries are fine) I would check with the guys at Dieselcash to see if you are affected.



Jayson

[diesel]

"If the material is to be hosted at the Thumbnail post's URL, then up to ten (10) images may be used, providing that all images are clearly identified as being from the Licensee owned site, and a link to that site is provided."

[Petr]

You need to have a special license or or own exlusive rights to the content you give away for free to your affiliates. I guess there is no need to say that the fee for such license (or exclusive rights) is MUCH higher...

[Gary]

Ok, im confused, did this guy think that when a content liscense says a set can be posted to tgp's, it means he can give it out to webmasters so they can post to tgp's?

[Jayson]

Originally posted by Gary
Ok, im confused, did this guy think that when a content liscense says a set can be posted to tgp's, it means he can give it out to webmasters so they can post to tgp's?

Basically yes.

But they are rectifying the situation quickly now that it has been bought to their attention.

[Gary]

my favorite "However, since we prefer to purchase the adult content from the ADULT content providers ONLY, we have no choice, but to stop purchasing the content from you, despite it?s quality."

This is like a kid, trying to call other people kids

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by diz

AaronM, if you were contacting us directly, I believe we were able to resolve this in the most profitable way for both of us, however, since you have decided to go public, before reading your own license and contacting us directly this is what gonna happen:

It appears that YOU are the one who didn't read the agreement..
to wit:

1. Grant of License, General Terms.
............Aaron Matthews Productions, LLC, the owner of the above referenced Product, hereby grants Licensee a non-exclusive website license to distribute images on Licensee's website(s). Aaron Matthews Productions, LLC retains titles and ownership of the Licensed Product, and gives up no legal rights as part of this Agreement. Licensee agrees not to sell or distribute the images via any physical method (such as diskette, CD-ROM, paper printing, or any other technology not specifically named in this document) without Aaron Matthews Productions, LLC prior written consent. ........................

2. Acceptable Uses of Licensed Product.
......... The Licensed Product may not be placed on a website with the intent to resell or allow the content's use to other webmasters. .....................

[pinonoir]

Originally posted by diz
The free content downloads on dieselcash.com are TEMPORARY disabled, while we are rechecking the licenses of each end every content provider. We are NOT planning to disable it totally since as far as I see by now, distribution of the limited number of images for TGP posting does NOT violates the terms and condition of most of the content providers. Therefore, the content downloads would be available again within a couple of days, once our attorney finishes checking the licenses. Again, there was NO license problem with most of the offered content, we just want to be 100% sure about each and every image.
Regarding the claim of AaronM, according to his license the ONLY problem we have discovered, is that his license allows using up to 10 images per TGP set, while we were offering 15.
We are going to correct this issue, as well, as the number if images offered by other content providers according to license of each and every one of them as it will be advised by our attorney and the content downloads would be back online approximately this Monday.

AaronM, if you were contacting us directly, I believe we were able to resolve this in the most profitable way for both of us, however, since you have decided to go public, before reading your own license and contacting us directly this is what gonna happen:

Of course we will reduce the promo image sets down to 10 images per set, since we have no intention to violate the terms and condition of anyone we work with. However, since we prefer to purchase the adult content from the ADULT content providers ONLY, we have no choice, but to stop purchasing the content from you, despite it?s quality.

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Good move Diz, AeronM is an asshole anyway. He likes to shoot is mouth for nothing, I hope you buy you're content from somebody else!! Aeron their is other ways to resolve issues then going public, I was thinking of buying content from you in the past but seing how a jerk you were, I went somewhere else!

[grumpy]

I purchase from Aaron M and im verry happy with his content. As a player you know the rules and Dieselcash has broken them bigtime. No matter how it happend, Iy you are the pro's you claim to be you should first offer Aaron M an apology and second pay him at least some bling bling for making his content worthless with your actions.

[Jakke PNG]

I caused all this. Really. Sorry.

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by Scootermuze


It appears that YOU are the one who didn't read the agreement..
to wit:

1. Grant of License, General Terms.
............Aaron Matthews Productions, LLC, the owner of the above referenced Product, hereby grants Licensee a non-exclusive website license to distribute images on Licensee's website(s). Aaron Matthews Productions, LLC retains titles and ownership of the Licensed Product, and gives up no legal rights as part of this Agreement. Licensee agrees not to sell or distribute the images via any physical method (such as diskette, CD-ROM, paper printing, or any other technology not specifically named in this document) without Aaron Matthews Productions, LLC prior written consent. ........................

2. Acceptable Uses of Licensed Product.
......... The Licensed Product may not be placed on a website with the intent to resell or allow the content's use to other webmasters. .....................

Why would someone need an attorney to interpret that? Diz is either not to bright or simply thought he could get away with cheating.

[Gary]

Originally posted by Pathfinder


Why would someone need an attorney to interpret that? Diz is either not to bright or simply thought he could get away with cheating.

Don't worry, he's got his team of legal experts pouring over it. Maybe he just assumed paying 30 bucks for a set meant they were exclusive. 30 bucks in his country is probably a fortune.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by pinonoir


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Good move Diz, AeronM is an asshole anyway. He likes to shoot is mouth for nothing, I hope you buy you're content from somebody else!! Aeron their is other ways to resolve issues then going public, I was thinking of buying content from you in the past but seing how a jerk you were, I went somewhere else!

Good deal, thank you. I prefer not to deal with uneducated people who can not even spell my name correctly. Funny that I have never heard of you...nor do I expect to again.

Gary, what you mentioned about him thinking that he could give my content away for TGP usage is exactly what happened.

Diz, The thread started out asking for info on you company. People asked questions and I was honest with them. If you have a problem with that then perhaps you should rethink your business practices.

Scootermuze, Thank you for posting that, I will however state that 2 words were added to my license agreement in section 2 and that this client may not have the current agreement, however, section 1, 2 , and 3 on even the old agreements did not allow for this sort of thing.

Those who wish to attack me can do so as much as they like. It is clear that dieselcash was using other providers content against the licenses as well. Thank you Jason.

[AaronM]

Hey everybody, let's not hang the guy just yet. At least he has taken down the images and is making an attempt to rectify the situation. Yeah, I am pissed but let's wait and see how he handles it all.

[JFK]

Originally posted by grumpy
you should first offer Aaron M an apology and second pay him at least some bling bling for making his content worthless with your actions. [/B]

Yes absolutely, we have purchased all of Aarons content as well, your actions have diluted the product a great deal! Instead of acting High and mighty, and not buying his product in the future,(like he would sell it to you) I think an apology is in order from you

[diesel]

First of all the problems with all the content providers, who took an advantage of contacting us are resolved. Of course there was no intention to cheat anyone, or to save money, since we believe, that the last thing, that you can save money on is the content, and we are spending dozens of thousands of $$$ every month on shooting and purchasing the content from a lot of different providers, in attempt to keep the subscribers. However, the content providers must understand one simple things: The last thing the content provider should save money on, is the attorney.

I?ve checked today dozens of content licenses, and it appears, that most of them are written in EXACTLY the same words and sometimes even with the same typos J

Do you guys just copy the text of your licenses from other providers or what ?

Let me ask you something:

Take a look at those lines:



Up to twenty (20) images may be used at one time in a thumbnail post URL, so long as the Licensed Product remains hosted at the Licensee's site.
If the material is to be hosted at the Thumbnail post's URL, then up to ten (10) images may be used, providing that all images are clearly identified as being from the Licensee owned site, and a link to that site is provided.


How the hell, should we understand those lines, that I have just copied and pasted from the license of one of the content providers.
Most of you have those lines in your license text. Maybe it is not your intension, and you have meant something else, while saying this. But, you must also understand, that if you want your customers to keep your terms, those terms may not be ambiguous.



Anyway, we have no intention to argue with anyone, and we will remove the content if any of your will request it from us, ALTHOUGH your terms are ambiguous, but probably, if your terms were clear from the beginning, we could prevent all this situation, and save your nerves and our money, by purchasing the content from the provider, who?s license fits our needs or were changing the contract with you.



Please understand, we had no intention to cheat on anyone. It is just misunderstanding of your terms, that IMHO are too ambiguous.



So if anyone still have any question to us or would like to claim anything, is always welcome to contact us directly, and I don?t believe there is anyone here, who had ever attempted to contact us and was ignored.

[Paparazzi]

Is it cool to use dieselcash:s hosted galleries or does this effect that too?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Paparazzi
Is it cool to use dieselcash:s hosted galleries or does this effect that too?

Says as long as its hosted on the purchasers URL it should be okay, so it says above, to my knowledge.

?

[AaronM]

Originally posted by diz
First of all the problems with all the content providers, who took an advantage of contacting us are resolved. Of course there was no intention to cheat anyone, or to save money, since we believe, that the last thing, that you can save money on is the content, and we are spending dozens of thousands of $$$ every month on shooting and purchasing the content from a lot of different providers, in attempt to keep the subscribers. However, the content providers must understand one simple things: The last thing the content provider should save money on, is the attorney.

I?ve checked today dozens of content licenses, and it appears, that most of them are written in EXACTLY the same words and sometimes even with the same typos J

Do you guys just copy the text of your licenses from other providers or what ?

Let me ask you something:

Take a look at those lines:



Up to twenty (20) images may be used at one time in a thumbnail post URL, so long as the Licensed Product remains hosted at the Licensee's site.
If the material is to be hosted at the Thumbnail post's URL, then up to ten (10) images may be used, providing that all images are clearly identified as being from the Licensee owned site, and a link to that site is provided.


How the hell, should we understand those lines, that I have just copied and pasted from the license of one of the content providers.
Most of you have those lines in your license text. Maybe it is not your intension, and you have meant something else, while saying this. But, you must also understand, that if you want your customers to keep your terms, those terms may not be ambiguous.



Anyway, we have no intention to argue with anyone, and we will remove the content if any of your will request it from us, ALTHOUGH your terms are ambiguous, but probably, if your terms were clear from the beginning, we could prevent all this situation, and save your nerves and our money, by purchasing the content from the provider, who?s license fits our needs or were changing the contract with you.



Please understand, we had no intention to cheat on anyone. It is just misunderstanding of your terms, that IMHO are too ambiguous.



So if anyone still have any question to us or would like to claim anything, is always welcome to contact us directly, and I don?t believe there is anyone here, who had ever attempted to contact us and was ignored.

Pick up any book on US Statutes and tell me how much sense any of it makes. It is alll a bunch of legal stuff. It used to be much easier to understand these things but then people started lawsuits and the simple language became complicated. I believe you when you say you did not intend to do harm, but harm has been done. Life will go on for everybody involved.

[hyper]

just face it..

unless you negotiate a license with the content provider

it is common sense not to give out the pics as free content.

you got caught..

[Gary]

Originally posted by hyper
just face it..

unless you negotiate a license with the content provider

it is common sense not to give out the pics as free content.

you got caught..

bingo. common sense.

But it seems to be done with. So thats that.

[Jakke PNG]

Common sense = law?
argument = false
sad but true

[hyper]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Common sense = law?

no it doesn't

but if your in the adult biz
buy alot of content
you usually know what the licenses allow
and what they dont allow

[payrollpete]

i say just work it out with him, he seems like he is on top of things and made a mistake, he obviously wouldn't want to risk his bizz over some small content give away

you guys need to deal with this like professionals, send a ceist and disist and deal with it like that, not come on here rant and rave ...

[AaronM]

The issue was resolved a few hours ago. Thank you for your concern.

[rogerbo]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
I caused all this. Really. Sorry.

No It was not You it was me If i didn't tell Aaron nothing would have happend. So if anyone want's to blame Me just go ahead.
Yes I'm only a small light in this biz but evenso i want my chance in here if I deserve it we'll see.

[Paolo]

Aaron.
Hey buddy I am with you.
This guy used to hot link my main page last year because he was too cheep to pay for bandwidth. So I confronted him and he claimed " Oh it was someone else who did this I will fix it now"
Always after the fact

Like you and I which shoot our own content and try to give webmasters good stuff to make money on, this guy just sucks the blood out of it.

Do not listen to what he says because he is full of shit.
Ya he washed out you sets that you worked hard on shooting which is a shame for all the other webmasters who also paid and were using it correctly. Making good content is the real talent that keeps the web working.

He knew what he was doing and did not care one bit.
He has no talent except exploiting other peoples hard work for a quick dollar on his part.

Aaron I say FUCK HIM.
If he dared to show his face like at the Florida event this past week there would be some serious ass kicking going on.

Keep up the shooting and you did good on asking about this guy program.

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by Paolo
Aaron.
Aaron I say FUCK HIM.
If he dared to show his face like at the Florida event this past week there would be some serious ass kicking going on.

Keep up the shooting and you did good on asking about this guy program.

Give the Diesel guy a break..he's a a dick.. i figured that out on
icq this afternoon but he cant defend himself
against the accusations you just made so that's pretty
lame..