Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom (Post 12278371)

LOL, ok no more debate I figured out why this guy made this thread! He is one of those typical online tough guys. He makes statements like this online because it makes his nuts feel bigger.

Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom (Post 12278371)

LOL, ok no more debate I figured out why this guy made this thread! He is one of those typical online tough guys. He makes statements like this online because it makes his nuts feel bigger.

First you come in here and make an absurd statement that only someone living in the fantasy of the online world would make, regarding stopping an armed killer who opens fire without notice, THEN, you challange me to come to your house! LOL

First of all this is GFY, not I KIll PEOPLE FORUMS, or some shit like that. Obviously no one here is coming to your house to shoot you and you know it. I doubt you would have made the same statement on a forum where the members are ,say, escaped convicts. Why do I doubt it? Because you are an internet tough guy. You talk shit when you know you're safe.

Secondly, sure I close my eyes and picture myself in that school running out of my class and jumping the armed guy, and having the ability to help my classmates. Hell even take a bullet for the hot girl in class. And then she falls in love with me. But I know, it's a fucking fantasy! I would never have the audacity to say those poor student victims were pussies!

Finally, when you said you had training, I was picturing an ex marine or something like that. You went to your neighborhood self defense class?? LOL I'm not coming to your house, I have better things to do, I don't know about you. But I DO think that the next time someone who reads this thread sees you at a convention, they should just reach out and punch you in the head one time for every student who was a victim here, that you so boldly attack in this thread.

Normally I don't respond to threads like this, nor do I get so heated, but when someone is stupid enough to verbally attack a dead child who was the victim of a brutal crime, I have to say something, no matter how delusional the person making the statements may actually be.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12273705)

First of all.. what a shitty day... there was way to many casulties at this campus and there is NO excuse as to why a gunman was able to get off that many rounds without being stopped.. I call the men and women in the classrooms pussies for not doing ANYTHING... first of all he had a 9mm and a 22 which mean unless he was doing all headshots they were not one shot one kill.. he DID have to reload.. all prime times to advance on insurgents... I hope everybody who had the "flight" instinct kick in has to live with the fact they stood idly by while classmates were shot to death... from what I have read doctors are saying that not a single vic came in with no less than 3 shots... lets do the math... 3x50 = 150 150 rds? has anyone confirmed the amount of ammo shot?

bottom line is as humans you haved to react to situations like that and running away is not the way to react... all you fucking tree huggers I hope you feel somewhat at fault as well.. because with you and your laws that you try to pass.... there MUST be more trained citizens in our community so situations like this will be stopped as soon as they start...

I was watching video of the cops hiding behind a tree while gunfire is going off inside a dorm? those cops should be fired... yeah I said it FIRED... those shots were no where near the officers hiding behind a tree...


I think it's about time we stop being a fucking PC country and start getting with reality.. criminals have no certian look, no certian dimnear about them... anyone could be a criminal thats why we NEED more trained ARMED citizens to stop threats like this....

lets look at dynamics of a bullet for a sec... by sound alone every officer there shuold have known the gun he was using... if you can;t tell the difference between a 9mm-.40-.45-10mm, 7.62.39 or 7.62x54 every round has a unique sound to it.... I can close my eyes and tell you what cal your shooting... can I name the type of bullet.. no thats impossiable.. but audible reconizition is what all of us who were trained use... you ask any vet and they will sound off at the sound of an AK 7.62x39 because of how distinct it is... cops SHOULD be the same way... so as an officer arriving at that scene you hear gunshots.. you split sec ID those shots and where there comming from.... you hear handgun you know what the lethal range of a handgun is compaired to a long gun you also know what a round will penetrate and what it will not penetrate.. now you may have slight varitations between penetration on a FMJ as opposed to a HP round but the fact still remains that the velocity is around the same on each cal... you may have a varation between the amount of powder used in the round hence the +p+ rounds they are what we call "hott" rounds but the fact still remains that every officer that arrived on that scene knew it wa a handgun and should have breached way before they did... if you can;t hit them they can't hit you is a motto we used to always use.... I think the police force and the school should be sued.. as well as the kids in the classrooms who stood idly by....

Disarming a weapon from a human being is not the hardest thing to do with training... if this guy got away with killing 32 schoolmates wounding over 25 and he was considered "un_trained" now imiagne if there were onle 1 trained person in that room.. or 2 for that matter.. how fast would a situation like this have been stopped?


so next time you vote hippies make sure you vote for teachers to have guns in the classroom and make sure you vote for more leaniant laws on obtaining a CCW

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12278806)

Sorry DD - but you are full of bullshit and unqualified to offer any opinion.

You were not there and relying on CNN to provide "evidence". It is the job of LE to take this situation, get it under control and then do an investigation and examine possible methods for improvement all round - it's not your concern nor are you qualified to give any opinion. Anything you say, is simply your opinion - read, more GFY irrelevant chat.

PS Also note, it is your clients who are the next potential killers - you have no concept of their future mental stability, you train them and they are an enhanced potential threat to both law enforcement and the public.

PPS Least I assume you train them from the dialog *lol*

Originally Posted by Wanton (Post 12280299)

police aren't trained to advance to gunfire like the military . . the police union would have the 'politicians' ass if they ever tried to put the cops in 'harms way' . and the cops would cry like babies . .

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12280319)

hahah you got a point dood.... that goes along the lines of me saying all police forces are now reactive rather than proactive....


I dunno man I just feel so bad for the kids there.... and the cops did't do a gat damn thing.... that basicly stood by while the fire burned itself out....

Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom (Post 12280707)

Danza, I like how you slowly try to move your blame to the police when your initial statement did not reflect the police but the ACTUAL STUDENTS involved. Remember you called the STUDENTS pussies? And then the whole rant about how students should go to self defense classes and carry guns, etc. Don't try to change what you said now because everyone is seeing what a dumbass you are. Judging from the way you write, run on sentences, misspelled words, etc., you are not that bright so I want to give you a suggestion. Just stop posting. You look bad.

This is nothing personal I have against you, obviously I don't know you. You simply tried to open up a debate I suppose, not sure what you tried to do. When you start calling dead kids pussies though and their classmates, who even though they may not have been hit directly, they were still greatly affected by this crime, you need to rethink your life. Your statement shows alot about the kind of person you are.

Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom (Post 12280707)

Danza, I like how you slowly try to move your blame to the police when your initial statement did not reflect the police but the ACTUAL STUDENTS involved. Remember you called the STUDENTS pussies? And then the whole rant about how students should go to self defense classes and carry guns, etc. Don't try to change what you said now because everyone is seeing what a dumbass you are. Judging from the way you write, run on sentences, misspelled words, etc., you are not that bright so I want to give you a suggestion. Just stop posting. You look bad.

This is nothing personal I have against you, obviously I don't know you. You simply tried to open up a debate I suppose, not sure what you tried to do. When you start calling dead kids pussies though and their classmates, who even though they may not have been hit directly, they were still greatly affected by this crime, you need to rethink your life. Your statement shows alot about the kind of person you are.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12274040)

honestly it's a shitty situation I play paintball every sat and we outnumber ourselvs on pourpouse we play like 4 on 50 and win every time.. of course all of us are frm special forces, and our team commander is a 22 year navy seal and now trains the LA swat team so I mean we all have training thast why we do drills like that and win... these cops should have been trained in this type of situation... shit happends...

kind of off subject but I live in a 2 story house yadda yadda anyways my point is.. I acutually do Fire drills with my family.. yes wife and 2 kids to where we will bail out the 2nd story window we do it over and over again it becomes 2nd nature... you never know when the shit is going down.. weather it be fire, shooting, carbon mnoxide, you never know in this world what the danger will be you have to be ready.. last thing I want to do during a fire is be wondering how I am going to get my wife and kids out.. so we know.. we have trained in everyroom in the house because you don't knw when a fire is going to start...


same with gunfights... you want to turn things from actions to reactions.. it takes training... like you said when you popped your head out from behind the bunker you went into a panic because the rest of the game nothing but pop pop pop pop pop.... well I been playing paintball 15 years I acutually calm down when I am under fire.... same with live fire... you have to calm down, take cover, then return fire,,,, with adrenal glands going nutts you may friendly fire... the most common thing with citizens shooting their weapons is they always dump the whole mag... 90% of all citizen involved shooting they just kept firing and firing even if they were missing.. because mentally they feel safter returning fire... the thing is you have to have a target... I reccomend everyone play paintball if they own guns... and if you own guns please train with it... now corvette...
I was just in AZ last month playing in a paintball tourney when you wanna go play... I'll have you on the winning team with the most amount of kills... we took zombiegirl from fettishpaysme.com she played on our team of 4 or 5 and we played against I think that day was like 34 so 34 people vs us we set it up she knocked em down... great day I wanna say she had over 25 kills and didn't get shot once....

Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom (Post 12280707)

Danza, I like how you slowly try to move your blame to the police when your initial statement did not reflect the police but the ACTUAL STUDENTS involved. Remember you called the STUDENTS pussies? And then the whole rant about how students should go to self defense classes and carry guns, etc. Don't try to change what you said now because everyone is seeing what a dumbass you are. Judging from the way you write, run on sentences, misspelled words, etc., you are not that bright so I want to give you a suggestion. Just stop posting. You look bad.

This is nothing personal I have against you, obviously I don't know you. You simply tried to open up a debate I suppose, not sure what you tried to do. When you start calling dead kids pussies though and their classmates, who even though they may not have been hit directly, they were still greatly affected by this crime, you need to rethink your life. Your statement shows alot about the kind of person you are.

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 12281578)

Such a scary thought that in the US mentally unstable people like Danza idiot can and are allowed to buy guns. You know something is majorly wrong in that country when things like that are possible.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12281565)

Maja rocks in whatever she does. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12281589)

Anyone have the video of the guy getting beat up while in line at the pizza place? This is exactly what Danza is pointing out. People who arent ready to take some risk to help their fellow man. I find it near impossible to believe that out of 50 some people shot not one of them was able to get close to this and take him out. He wasnt a big guy. He had 2 guns that he obviously had to reload multible times. People were just complacent to wait for someone to save them. Its sad really the whole thing.

Originally Posted by QuaShe (Post 12281681)

What a fucking joke you are. geez.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12281703)

So you are saying in that situation you would hide behind a tree, or duck into a supply closet or something and wait it out, while you knew people were getting shot and killed in mass?

Originally Posted by QuaShe (Post 12281773)

The joke in this thread is Danza bragging about how trained he is blablabla. No body can say for sure how they react in a total chaos situation like this.

What I would do you ask? I simply can not tell what I would do, its so easy to say you woudl attack the guy or whatever but until you are in a situation like this you will never know and can not know.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12281893)

my training or no training you can't stand by... and I belive I have said that many many times.. that I am trained yes... would I have stopped him I like to think so but you never know dood... I could tackle him and still end up shot but I would have TRIED and that I know for a fact... want to question that your an idiot... this has nothing to do with MY training per say thast neither here nor there.. this has to do with the lack of training on the police and the lack of action on the students who stood there frozen in fear while there good friends are getting killed? from what I am seeing on all the news stations with there little 3d diagrams of how the halls were and his route through there.. there were 3 different times that I am looking at now to where stevie fucking wonder would have seen a great ambush opportunity to stop the guy... oh but wait... you can't see that when your a coward... you know in the military you can get in a lot of trouble for being a coward.... grab some fucking balls and stop the guy... at least try.. TRY... remember the ladder of achivement.. the bottom is I wont the top is I did... fuck man at least get in the middle and get a I try... fuck man hiding is being a coward I don't care what anyone says.. in my eyes you don't hide.... no matter what anyone has ever said about me on this board I still go to shows right? do I run and hide at the shows? I am not a coward that I know for a fact.... those students were pussy ass tree huggin cowards as were the police who were FOS thats (first on scene) for those who arent following....

Originally Posted by QuaShe (Post 12281918)

If you would break down your replies in alineas you would at least come over a bit more intelligent :2 cents:

Those students were pussies? The cops maybe but you can not blame the students on this :2 cents:

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12280305)

I know I was not there.... and could I have tottally stopped the situation ? who knows dood.. but I do know I would have TRIED... as fas as I see and your right it is my opnion which I stated a bunch of times by saying stuff like "as far as I can see" and "IMO" I personally thing that the LE that first arrived and later on the units that were arriving did that way wrong... from what I saw they were just standing by while gunshots were going off... maybe I come from a differenet breed of wanting to help people dood but from what I saw, read, heard they did not handel it right at all.... don;t take my word for it... go read some LE message boards they are all saying the same thing... the police that arrived on that scene did not handel the situation right...

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12280305)

what I find funny is 90% of the people in here who are saying I would not have done anything.. know nothing about me or who I am.. they know me on the boards and if they wanted to meet me in person to "see what I am all about" all they have to do is ask... fact I'll give the first 5 people free 2 day defencive handgun classes out where I train people at a place called front sight http://frontsight.com .. this isint abuot what I know or don;t know.. this is abot the will to survive and compassion for human beings... everyone stood by while innocent kids got shot thats the bottom line.... and I think it will come out I am right dood I really do... just wait.. there will be law suits from the familys and they will win... higher ups in the police force will loose jobs there... its going to happen.... we will see...

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12280305)

I got into a big arguemnt with my wife last night she says that his writings should have triggerd off people.. well I can't agree because take for instance the script alone to friday the 13th or the saw or nightmare on elm st... there all pretty grusum flicks and even worse to read the script alone.... I dunno .. I just feel so bad man I really do that all these innocent kids died because the police dept did't breach when they should have

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12281667)

excatly what I am talking about.... pussies.... I hope to god nothing happends to me and those type of people are around.. type of people lock themselvs in a room to call 911.. fucking pussies....

the cops, the students, the teachers, and admin of the school..

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12281975)

Oops! OK.. Enough... thought there was at least one braincell functioning - obviously not.

You are an idiot with a bad attitude to be in possession of any weapon - classic example of "the public" mentioned in the previous post.

Originally Posted by Wanton (Post 12281990)

and I hope to god him or someone like him is standing next to me when they come to stick me and and my family on a box car . . :)

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12281953)

I hear ya DD!

Of course there will probably be things that "could have been done" - everyone can say that about any incident - every homicide, with guns or otherwise, often has things that could have been done. It's easy for us to sit and ponder on hindsight. Even with highly experience people who know in advance what to expect and the "target" (not necessarily in a gun sense!) is totally unaware - there are still things that could have been done, and always will be.




We have not met DD, only know from your posts here - so can't comment on the first bit - people do whatever under whatever circumstances - that is hard to predict unless physically on the scene and depending on whatever circumstances.

Will throw you this thought DD... It is more than clear there is a severe firearms problem in the US - not just because of this particular incident, but over a period of time. The source appears to be the availability of weapons within the public arena, coupled with a mentality to misuse them on occasion and also no consideration/vetting of individuals over time as to their mental balance/competence.

When an individual accesses a weapon or is trained in the usage of a weapon - there is no crystal ball that says this person will not abuse/kill others in the future. That is impossible to predict. That fact that they may have been trained in usage prob presents more danger to other members of the public and also to law enforcement - basically the odds are more people will get killed.

What you are now offering to do is train five people you do not know in what is described as "defensive handgun classes" with a concern to both "survive and show compassion for human beings". There is no clue as to what weapons in their possession will be used for in the future, (depending on their mental state), and this has nothing whatsoever to do with compassion for human beings. In reality, you are training potential killers and putting the lives of the public and others at risk.

I have nothing against guns in particular, even enjoyed a number of training sessions with an LE instructor friend, but elected not to possess a weapon for reasons given at the time - was more fun than anything. Basically the more guns in the public domain, the more potential killers will cause the deaths of others in the future. The public are idiots - give idiots guns and they will kill.




Think I'd be inclined to agree with your wife on this DD :-) But suspect it does not take even seeing the "multimedia show" to know this. Once again, the guy was provided with weapons when his mental state was unknown - this appears to be failure two. Failure one was that it appears the shooter had a long history of mental instability and was ignored in respect of treatment.

The "messages" left behind are not a surprise - fundamentally he was clearly mentally ill with possible delusions of persecution (tho time will tell on the reality of this). This apparently was not a new illness - it existed many years and he was a source of problems to others in "managing" him.

Only my :2 cents: - would personally lay "blame" initially at a failure to get this guy treatment - there was more than enough time. Second, I'd be looking at the idiots who supplied/gave any permits/trained this young man to enable him to make his fantasies a reality.

Sure.. give condolences to the families/friends of all who were kill and injured, but no doubts this will happen again, and again. Between these outbursts, many more other will be killed (tho not CNN headlines) - simply because weapons are in the hands of the public - and again - the public are idiots and the volume of them leave little room to have some controlling mechanism :pimp

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12281998)

Seriously? No.. don't need idiots around - they are a danger.

It may just be "loose mouth" or some macho tendency, but the attitude is too infantile - basically a problem to have around.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282022)

as far as frontsight goes.. all I can do is give away the class and I am one of the instructors during the handgun classes... the background check and all paperwork would still be done by frontsight.. I belive they go back from 18th birthday on.. not 100% on that.. so yeah I would be training people I don't know personally but no difference between that and if you were to go signup yourself for the course .. only difference is you don't pay when I get you in hahahahaha...

here is the prob... when they run you for a firearm to buy you are run through ncic and a local database which here in nevada it's called scope... you are not run for anything but convictions at that time to own a firearm.. I think thats a bit to easy... when you apply for a ccw thats when the background check goes from a simple phone call to some checking....

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282022)

training goes ... as far as training criminals? well hey look at

Tim McVeigh
Lee Oswald

2 killers off the top of my head who were trained by this very gov that gives us our freedom to make porno to feed our mouths with.. is everyone trained bad? nope all you can do is really hope the good guys are better, faster, and bigger balls than the bad guys and the cowards

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12282064)

Got ya... and kinda familiar with the checking - it's nonsense :-)



Agree DD - back to the dialog about the ability of possess a weapon - there is no predictability as to the future mental competence of the owner of a weapon.

It's not a complete answer, (I'm no expert), but appears the problem is the number of weapons in circulation (presumably based on some "right" which is kinda irrelevant in today's world), and these weapons are free for any member of the public to do as they wish with. If they are trained - even more damage can result.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282053)

am I like really stoned or is everyone taking this way off the deep end...

how do you turn me saying that I would not stand by and watch anyone get killed without doing anything and anyone who does is a pussy into

oh your a macho with a big mouth?

like seriously... so your telling me that if I were standing there and someone came into the room pointing a gun at your mother after he just shot say 4 people around.... you just want me to say .. hey sorry lady your on your own see ya later? sorry man I could not do that I would feel like a pussy and a coward and would prolly kill myself to know that I stood around while people were murdered.. if you don't feel the same way my friend then you too are a pussy who would stand around while my children were being murdered... you see where I am going with this?

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 12282069)

WATCH OUT YOU FAGGOTS IM USING CAPS HERE FUCKERS

hahaha...unless you beenin the army and have had the experience of being shot at and kill or be killed..you shouldnt be talkin tough man.

id like to say id help stop as well..but most likely id watch out for my own ass and boogie out of there.


when i first started dating my wife here in toronto.
we were walking down y onge st when a white kid and a black kid started fighting in front of us..ai mean really trying to hurt each other not this pansy crap you see at a bar....anyway i steered us around it, thinking we would walk by with no problems.

well all of a sudden the white kid pulls out a gun.
what did i do? I grabbed my wifes hand and ran into the nearest store front and locked the door..lol

we opened it for another couple that came in behind us..and then him and i locked the door again.

the clerk was all pissed off until she found out there was someone with a gun outside...lol

that was intense...if he had fired one shot..we would have ran out the back of the store.

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12282125)

DD.. Calling people "pussies" is not exactly a "balanced" term to use for those on the scene of a crime or are victims. We know nothing, other than media reports of this incident.

An attitude of adopting a macho slant and calling others pussies is ... makes ya wince.

Know only too well others in law enforcement would also be wincing. They deal with this shit ... varying, as but part of their lives. Some more than others - and can assure you even LE will adopt the standard procedure and run like hell under certain circumstances - that make them "pussies" as well? It's a balanced judgement to cover ass.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12273891)

What a retarded comparison.
Guns are a RIGHT that this country was BASED on, without guns this country would not exist. Guns are what KEEP this country the most powerful nation ever in the history of this planet.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282168)

your right pussy is a bad term that I should not be using to argue a valid point I will stick to coward... and yeah that is a crime and victim of a crime or not you can still be a coward.. I know its not PC to walk up and say to someone who just saw 10 people shot in front of him hey dood you shold have done something... but reality is reality... the hell with candy coating something.... and your right all we know is media reports... and you know what I could be tottally wrong in everything.... unless I have time frames of walking up stairs, entering hallways, time in between shots.. victim placement, suspect placement at the time of each shot.. where each round ended up ect ect.. there are many many variables that we will never get to put into play as civilians... I am only speaking on a civilian level when I say this


I would not have stood by bottom line... gun or no gun.. you telling me theres no books to throw? to pens? no chairs?

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12282338)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

DD.. You are stuffing up potential situations which we don't even know occurred! To be honest, and it's only me, but that kinda wants to make me question a couple of things :-)

There are a whole range of scenarios the "could" be possible - or not. Assuming this and time is kinda pointless.

Even experience people can't predict what may happen - depends on many factors. Sure, there is the "rulebook" to operate from, but ya got a apply that with some flexibility, depending.

If the victims (and presumably LE) are now "cowards" for whatever - well.. I can tell ya I got more confidence in them (and a couple in particular) than someone not dealing with this as a "profession". They will do whatever depending on the scenario - shoes off and run barefoot as fast as hell. Other times it's a broken collarbone/jaw to disable person - others it's a shooting to "non fatal" body areas (depending how much of a threat). These folks (least the one's I know) have been shot, stabbed, raped, had baseball bats to heads - and more MRI scans than they care to remember. Bottom line - they don't "assume", are in total control of themselves first, use a balanced judgement and have survived the deaths of several partners. It's not a friggin game for a chatboard and talk about "cowards" and "pussies" and the average member of the public is not either trained or necessarily have the ability to confront a gunman. (And please don't say ya do!! *lol* Chances are you would be on the floor suffering a broken collarbone before even grabbing a weapon).

All that shit is not "macho" - it's serious, and people who do it don't try to convey how they would have went in and had a gunfight wild-west style *lol*

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282352)

I disagree with you man... I agree with the fact many variable went on that we will never know.. but a fact remains.. do SOMETHING POSITIVE not run away like a coward.....