Why are you not doing Mainstream?

[maxjohan]

It's not that easy? Or you don't have the creativity?

Not enough brain farts? You love the free pics?

Curious to know.

[tony286]

creating traffic for it is alot harder

[WiredGuy]

I already am.
WG

[Worried]

I don't know how

I'd much rather do mainstream than porn as long as I can make more than what I do in porn. I'm actually looking for ways to cross over and re-invest my porn money.

Mainstream is hard though, I have no idea how to get traffic.

[webair]

i am =))

[falcao]

I'm doing mainstream porn.

[shekinah]

mainstream needs lot of brain for creativity... If not creative enough, it's hopeless

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by Worried

I don't know how

I'd much rather do mainstream than porn as long as I can make more than what I do in porn. I'm actually looking for ways to cross over and re-invest my porn money.

Mainstream is hard though, I have no idea how to get traffic.

Start a humor blog as your first move. There is plenty of sites to trade with in that niche, just check out www.masterstats.com for trades, and take it from there.

Good luck.

I'm starting one as we speak.

[Violetta]

I will be in a short time

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by falcao

I'm doing mainstream porn.

[warlock5]

In porn, 7 figures a year and you are at the top, in mainstream, you are doing pretty good.

[g$$$]

dont mainstream people have sex??? ;)

[Star 69]

I have my mainstream online project about night life in Kiev coming soon www.kievnightlifemagazine.com

[pornguy]

I have some mainstream, and I am working my way into more.

[mahoney]

I already am www.artistpr.com I haven't really started pushing to affiliates yet

[Vick!]

I do mainstream as well.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

creating traffic for it is alot harder

You really believe that?

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by baddog

You really believe that?

He is right baddog, Unless you are an SEO God or have some really unique idea like milliondollarhomepage.
But here in adult, you can simply replicate a website and make traffic.

I can make $50 a day website/blog in adult with $0 investment but in mainstream I need quite good some for advertisement and stuff to make a website with $50 a day output.

We see a lot (yes, A LOT) of mainstream turnkey sites for sale but we don't see even a 1/5th of that in adult. Most blogs/sites for sale claim some traffic and revenue. If mainstream is as easy as adult, no one there would be selling turnkey sites.

Do I need to refer you to the thread created by one of your affiliates as guide to make money in adult? And I believe that did not involve much of investment, If i am right in remembering.

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by Vick!

We see a lot (yes, A LOT) of mainstream turnkey sites for sale but we don't see even a 1/5th of that in adult. Most blogs/sites for sale claim some traffic and revenue. If mainstream is as easy as adult, no one there would be selling turnkey sites.

Really? You need to consider that the size of Mainstream is 100 times the size of adult, so of course you will see more businesses being sold and bought in mainstream.

Adult companies dont sellout because you really don't get more than 8-12 months the revenue here. There is no reason to sell your business for 8-12 months the revenue if the site is stable. In mainstream you get years of the revenue. + It's hard to sell adult businesses because there is no one in mainstream that wants to touch them, and no one in adult who has the cash to buy'em-

MySpace is valued at $5 billion!
YouTube was bought for $1.65 billion!

Here is to consider if you want to play in mainstream:
Image
Publicity
Advertising

Personally i don't know which one is harder, I'm working on my
mainstream sites now.. i'll report back to you guys later!

[headless ghost]

too many crooks in mainstream

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

when i think of my million dollar idea, i will

[Xjay7707]

Originally Posted by headless ghost

too many crooks in mainstream

agreed man, worrdddd

[Goodings Media]

I started a minastream site, www.fight-vids.co.uk

actually started it because I wanted a place to host some videos, and the more I looked into it, the more I realised I could blag it all with zero coding knowledge.

Then as I did, I learnt some bits on HTML/CSS and PHP, okay I can't create either from scratch but I know enough to go into a page and change bits. So I figured I'd try making sites for money rather than for interest/hobby.

I knew there were a lot of big hitters in porn, but its still the exact same obstacles that I have with my mainstream site.

You need a USP, even over the big hitters.
Its got to be different.
If its not a different idea, you need to do it better.
You need to be realistic with your abilities and targets.
Monetizing traffic is still trial and improvement.
Traffic takes time or money.
Good traffic takes time.
You start spending "hobby time" on your new 'baby' instead of just "office hours"

the list goes on. I think all web business is pretty damn similiar

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

You really believe that?

I did mainstream traffic for a living before I went fulltime into adult.Unless you pay your going to be lonely.

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by Goodings Media

I started a minastream site, www.fight-vids.co.uk

I knew there were a lot of big hitters in porn, but its still the exact same obstacles that I have with my mainstream site.

You need a USP, even over the big hitters.
Its got to be different.
If its not a different idea, you need to do it better.
You need to be realistic with your abilities and targets.
Monetizing traffic is still trial and improvement.
Traffic takes time or money.
Good traffic takes time.
You start spending "hobby time" on your new 'baby' instead of just "office hours"

Good advice there,
did you create the design for that one too?

[KaliC]

I make about $900 a month off mainstream affiliate programs. And another couple grand on site designs.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I am mostly mainstream

and I make more then everyone who posted above me

[EBORG9]

As far as Websites and Blogs, Mainstream is easier to me.
Adult takes some ingenuity in my book, and I'm not sucking up.
I wouldn't know where to begin with a brand new Adult site, that's why I'm selling off all my domains.

[Goodings Media]

Originally Posted by maxjohan

Good advice there,
did you create the design for that one too?

Thanks

Nope, everything I do/make is open source or a $$ template.

I know pretty much fuck-all indepth about any web programming. Divs make my head spin lol

Which is good, means I can concentrate on content and marketing

Ive still made MUCH more from viral video marketing than I have from Adult.

I used to have an e-commerce site that I again made from templates and script installs. Used to make a side income through there that was enough to not get a part time job. Then the flash-chip market took a nose dive around this Christmas time and it wasn't worth doing it anymore. I deleted it a while ago.

My first ever site, which I havn't touched in a while... http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/alienatersastro/index.html was all tables etc. Looking at it now makes me cringe lol This however was all fully coded by hand

Also a blog to fight-vids, which is wordpress www.fight-vids.co.uk/blog


I figured I vaguely had enough sites (although most are old and forgotton about) to put em all under the banner of "Goodings Media" Lame eh

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by maxjohan

Adult companies dont sellout because you really don't get more than 8-12 months the revenue here. There is no reason to sell your business for 8-12 months the revenue if the site is stable. In mainstream you get years of the revenue.

No offense, but you said you are working on your mainstream sites now. Its mean you don't have much experience in mainstream, I have been into mainstream for years and trust me you don't get more than 10-12 months of revenue for an average site. There are some other factors as well which affect the price but most of the time you dont get more than 10 months.
If you get 12 months revenue, you are lucky.

Originally Posted by maxjohan

+ It's hard to sell adult businesses because there is no one in mainstream that wants to touch them, and no one in adult who has the cash to buy'em-

Oh' you really think that in adult no one has money to buy? In adult people simply don't buy because they can make similar site with similar revenue in less money than for what site is being sold. Because adult sites need less effort.

Did you ever saw people in mainstream trading traffic? Here in adult you can easily make a site/blog from zero to 1k a day just by trading traffic and links.

Originally Posted by maxjohan

MySpace is valued at $5 billion!
YouTube was bought for $1.65 billion!

Did you read my post? I said unless you have a new/exciting idea or a lot of money you can not be successful in mainstream, and FYI YouTube and MySpace both were very exciting and new ideas of their time. They were trend setters and parents of Video Sharing and Social Networking concept.

Originally Posted by maxjohan

Here is to consider if you want to play in mainstream:
Image
Publicity
Advertising

For these, you need cash, a lot of cash. And that is what i said in my post. If you don't have cash either produce a great new concept or come back to adult shit.

Originally Posted by maxjohan

Personally i don't know which one is harder, I'm working on my
mainstream sites now.. i'll report back to you guys later!

Wish you good luck with it. If you have done something considerable in adult, I am sure you will know which one is harder very soon. I have much experience with both and I have stated my opinion before.

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by Vick!

No offense, but you said you are working on your mainstream sites now. Its mean you don't have much experience in mainstream, I have been into mainstream for years and trust me you don't get more than 10-12 months of revenue for an average site. There are some other factors as well which affect the price but most of the time you dont get more than 10 months.
If you get 12 months revenue, you are lucky.

I was speaking about real businesses here and not turnkey sites, so I misunderstood you. I think that will answer all of your statements from what you posted.

ALL but one....

For these, you need cash, a lot of cash. And that is what i said in my post. If you don't have cash either produce a great new concept or come back to adult shit.

Do you really need a lot of cash to advertise? I've been in mainstream before in 2001 before I found adult, some of my advertising campagins did 400% on $200 dollars! THe key with mainstream is that you will not always make money direct in your hand and see a 100% or more profit. You'll have to tweak your site to make sure that it converts. But most importantly of all is that you have some high class backend products to sell to people that have bought from you before..

You can compare it with direct-mail where you can get a 1% ROI on your money on a 1,000 mailings but when you roll out the backend to your excisting customers, then you see the money roll in and your ROI is suddenly 80% , see what I mean?

Sorry my english is bad.

Goodluck!

[Fap]

I only do mainstream, it sucks trying to be original haha.
I'm shifting more to porn by the day

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by maxjohan

Do you really need a lot of cash to advertise?

Yes, Unless you don't want to exceed $10 a day.
If you want to boom to $100 a day or $500 a day, you need a lot of money to put in. But in adult you don't need.

All I want to say is 'Adult is easier than mainstream' -- with the same effort, same budget, same knowledge .. you will do better in adult than mainstream.

[bobby666]

i never wanked to mainstream

[TBrown]

Originally Posted by falcao

I'm doing mainstream porn.

lol good one

[fris]

i dont do either, i just post on here from the homeless shelter

[MrAVS]

Because it's a lot of mainstream porn. Hard to get money from this shit. Needs a lot of traffic.

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I already am.
WG

Why Charles? There is no money in mainstream...

Hey you coming out to Ad:tech in San Francisco?

-=Chipmunk=-

[mattz]

Originally Posted by maxjohan

It's not that easy? Or you don't have the creativity?

Not enough brain farts? You love the free pics?

Curious to know.

why would I do mainstream, my theory is don't fix something thats not broken

I make a decent living off adult, why would I go mainstream. Maybe if I found god and wanted to try to make myself feel better then I might give it a try.

[TheDoc]

I would drive mad traffic into the 'Mainstream Internet' if I owned the product I was selling.

[Ace_luffy]

[AtlantisCash]

Porn is dirty and dirtiness makes money

[shoeaholicanon]

have that many people turned to freaky shit?

[s9ann0]

I was having a go but google cancelled my account for "click fraud" for no reason and kept 2 months income

be careful!