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  • scottybuzz
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    • May 2006
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    #151
    Originally posted by mattz
    even if guns were banned, people could still get then, drugs are banned - that didnt stop anyone
    yeh i see the logic 100% there, but im going purely by statistics.

    obviously england has a different culture thats not like americas one bit, but since guns have been banned there hasnt been one.

    sure there has been gun crime, but no school shootings.
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    • madawgz
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      #152
      damn this is fucked up
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      • scottybuzz
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        • May 2006
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        #153
        Originally posted by ronaldo
        At best it'll slow down the process.
        i dont see any problem in that

        it may only be a matter of time, but its best if its slowed down.
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        • scardog
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          #154
          Originally posted by VG.Content
          I know how to use one just fine, I don't own one as I have no reason to.
          I don't really believe you. Do you mean point and pull the trigger? How much handgun training have you had? One class and you wouldn't make comments like people would start shooting each other when a crazy guy starts shooting them. If one of the 32 was a family member of yours, you probably wish they would have had a gun.

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          • stickyfingerz
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            • Oct 2005
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            #155
            Originally posted by scottybuzz
            yeh i see the logic 100% there, but im going purely by statistics.

            obviously england has a different culture thats not like americas one bit, but since guns have been banned there hasnt been one.

            sure there has been gun crime, but no school shootings.
            Hmm weren't you recently concerned about that prostitute killer in your area? ? hmmm

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            • scardog
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              #156
              Originally posted by scottybuzz
              yeh i see the logic 100% there, but im going purely by statistics.

              obviously england has a different culture thats not like americas one bit, but since guns have been banned there hasnt been one.

              sure there has been gun crime, but no school shootings.

              Would you bet a million dollars that that there will not ever be another one, thanks to the law? Would you bet your life on it? The governments sure are willing to bet our lives on it.

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              • Bryan G
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                • Aug 2005
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                #157
                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                Your Scottish right?



                Only in America eh?
                When did I say it was ONLY in America?? not once.
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                • Anthony
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                  #158
                  Originally posted by scardog
                  I don't really believe you. Do you mean point and pull the trigger? How much handgun training have you had? One class and you wouldn't make comments like people would start shooting each other when a crazy guy starts shooting them. If one of the 32 was a family member of yours, you probably wish they would have had a gun.
                  It's not even worth arguing scardog, he won't listen.

                  If anyone person in any of those classes had a firearm, they would have made a difference. Bottom line.

                  Legally, a law abiding citizen cannot carry a firearm on campus.

                  Which makes everyone an easy target.

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                  • ronaldo
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                    • Jan 2002
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                    #159
                    Originally posted by scottybuzz
                    i dont see any problem in that

                    it may only be a matter of time, but its best if its slowed down.
                    Absolutely, I agree. But your statement came across as if it wasn't EVER going to happen again...which simply isn't true.

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                    • beemk
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                      #160
                      Originally posted by Anthony
                      Tell me why Mass Genocide seems to happen mostly in Africa.

                      Is there a difference, really?

                      People are getting killed everywhere.

                      It doesn't seem that too long ago Tornoto had senseless shootings, was it on Boxing day, if I remember right?
                      these idiots only know about stuff that happens on the news. plus they are envious of usa, not africa. so why hate on africa?
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                      • baddog
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                        #161
                        Originally posted by DOCTOR 30
                        News now says Asian American male, looking for girlfriend who had broken up with him is reason for shootings.
                        not really surprised to hear that . . . Donny, are you listening?

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                        • stickyfingerz
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                          • Oct 2005
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                          #162
                          Originally posted by Platinum Bryan
                          When did I say it was ONLY in America?? not once.
                          Well you'll admit thats the general feel of the thread from most non Americans..

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                          • Anthony
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                            • Feb 2001
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                            #163
                            Originally posted by VG.Content
                            I'm not a coward, just because I don't own a gun does not make me less of a person.

                            You cannot carry a gun in a school or college unless you are a federal agent. So your theory is wrong.

                            And you've never been in that situation, every time something like this happens, everyone would of had a gun, everyone would have stopped him before he killed more etc etc.
                            You are 100 percent fucking wrong!

                            So the local police can't come on campus? I HATE FUCKING PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP SHIT SO THEY CAN MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE A FUCKING CLUE.

                            Which leads me to look at all your posts as being not aboveboard.

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                            • baddog
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                              • Apr 2001
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                              #164
                              Originally posted by Anthony
                              It's not even worth arguing scardog, he won't listen.

                              If anyone person in any of those classes had a firearm, they would have made a difference. Bottom line.

                              Legally, a law abiding citizen cannot carry a firearm on campus.

                              Which makes everyone an easy target.
                              Yet the shooter had a gun on campus. Damn, there was a law against it, how could that happen?


























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                              • scardog
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                                #165
                                Originally posted by Anthony
                                It's not even worth arguing scardog, he won't listen.

                                If anyone person in any of those classes had a firearm, they would have made a difference. Bottom line.

                                Legally, a law abiding citizen cannot carry a firearm on campus.

                                Which makes everyone an easy target.
                                I know Anthony. Such ignorance, makes me pipe up, when I should just let it go.

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                                • scottybuzz
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                                  • May 2006
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                                  #166
                                  Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                  Hmm weren't you recently concerned about that prostitute killer in your area? ? hmmm
                                  killing 6 people in the period of a week is not like killing 32 in one day

                                  Originally posted by scardog
                                  Would you bet a million dollars that that there will not ever be another one, thanks to the law? Would you bet your life on it? The governments sure are willing to bet our lives on it.
                                  i dont want to get in a shit slinging match, this isnt the thread to be honest, but statistics imply that our law has worked. there hasnt been one since, that scottish maniac

                                  obviously it can be argued that england are a more peaceful nation and it wasnt the law at all

                                  but for some american asian kid to find a gun in england would be hard, I have never been offered a gun in my life nor would have no idea where to get one, take america, all u have to do is break into a house and statistaclly every 3rd house u rob will have one, or something ludicrus like that
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                                  • directfiesta
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                                    • Oct 2002
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                                    #167
                                    Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                    so you think university students should be allowed to bring guns to class?? guns laws or not, that would never happen. thats just retarded.
                                    Sure .... Guns for students,


                                    and XM8 for teachers ... better give your paper on time....

                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                    • Bryan G
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                                      #168
                                      Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                      Well you'll admit thats the general feel of the thread from most non Americans..
                                      I think the feeling is it seems to happen ALOT more in the US than anywhere else.
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                                      • ChandieGirl
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                                        #169
                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                        not really surprised to hear that . . . Donny, are you listening?
                                        The fact that he (so we are hearing) is Asian-American is beside the point. Regardless of his race, he obviously had issues with someone at the university. I'm always confused when race becomes a part of the topic. Who cares?
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                                        • scottybuzz
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                                          #170
                                          sticky fingerz have u ever watched that michael moore film? i know hes an asshole but some intersting facts and figures come across. you have got to admit, america HAS a problem on their hands.
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                                          • »Rob Content«
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                                            #171
                                            Originally posted by Anthony
                                            You are 100 percent fucking wrong!

                                            So the local police can't come on campus? I HATE FUCKING PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP SHIT SO THEY CAN MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE A FUCKING CLUE.

                                            Which leads me to look at all your posts as being not aboveboard.
                                            Local police to me work for the gov. Any type of law enforcement to me is gov related. It's all I meant.

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                                            • Anthony
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                                              • Feb 2001
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                                              #172
                                              Originally posted by Platinum Bryan
                                              I think the feeling is it seems to happen ALOT more in the US than anywhere else.
                                              What happens *ALOT* more?

                                              Shootings in schools or people getting shot?

                                              Maybe you missed it over your own noise...

                                              Shootings in places like SCHOOLS, POST OFFICES, GOVERMENT BUILDINGS, and the like happen because LAWFUL CITIZENS WITH THE LEGAL RIGHT TO CARRY FIREARMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO IN THOSE AFOREMENTIONED AREAS.

                                              So if you were gonna go on a shooting spree, where would you go?

                                              I tell you this, because you are obviously ignorant of the fact.

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                                              • ronaldo
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                                                #173
                                                Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                killing 6 people in the period of a week is not like killing 32 in one day
                                                I'm guessing the loved ones of those 6 people couldn't care less how many other people were killed the same day. In fact, I doubt the loved ones of the people killed today could care less how many other people were killed. In both cases, their loved ones are gone. Don't trivialize one over the other, especially to justify your position. If ONE person was killed today, that was one too many.

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                                                • drjones
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                                                  #174
                                                  Originally posted by Platinum ChrisM
                                                  That was pretty much the reason I posted that comment. The sad truth, is CNN is loving this incident. Reporters have no morality. This is gold to them. The Imus story was dead 3 days after it happenned, yet they streched it for a week.

                                                  Why? Because people are sick of hearing yet another Iraq failure story. Now, CNN is foaming at the mouth with this new story. Weeks of shooting news, comparisons to Columbine, and other similar style shootings. By the evening, they'll have the perfect tagline for the tragedy, with a whole week of programming laid out, ensuring you do not miss one detail of this tragedy.

                                                  By July, the made for TV movie will be out.

                                                  Just plain sick what the media does.
                                                  No shit.

                                                  I was just catching the news and I dont think I have enough fingers on my hands to count the number of times they kept repeating "Execution style!!", like they were selling some fucking action movie. Seems to be their new favorite phrase.

                                                  Could of made a drinking game out of it, its ridiculous. Tragedy is their bread and butter. And people think the adult industry is scum.... we got nothing on broadcast media.
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                                                  • scardog
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                                                    #175
                                                    Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                    sticky fingerz have u ever watched that michael moore film? i know hes an asshole but some intersting facts and figures come across. you have got to admit, america HAS a problem on their hands.

                                                    Drinking and driving is a MUCH bigger problem. Maybe we should make it illegal to drink and drive and the problem goes away?

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                                                    • DOCTOR 30
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                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                      • 846

                                                      #176
                                                      MSNBC says 31 confirmed dead including gunman.

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                                                      • Anthony
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                                                        • Feb 2001
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                                                        #177
                                                        Originally posted by VG.Content
                                                        Local police to me work for the gov. Any type of law enforcement to me is gov related. It's all I meant.
                                                        YOU SAID FEDERAL GOVERMENT. How much more shit did you make up to bolster your worthless posts?

                                                        So you are telling me, that you don't know the difference between the federal, local, or state goverment, but yet want us to believe you know what you are talking about?

                                                        I'm done with you.

                                                        Whatever.

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                                                        • Drake
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                                                          #178
                                                          Let's be clear. This stuff does NOT happen all the time.

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                                                          • DOCTOR 30
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                                                            • Aug 2006
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                                                            #179
                                                            1:15 Pacific Time, President Bush is going to address the country about this tragedy.

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                                                            • scottybuzz
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                                                              • May 2006
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                                                              #180
                                                              Originally posted by ronaldo
                                                              I'm guessing the loved ones of those 6 people couldn't care less how many other people were killed the same day. In fact, I doubt the loved ones of the people killed today could care less how many other people were killed. In both cases, their loved ones are gone. Don't trivialize one over the other, especially to justify your position. If ONE person was killed today, that was one too many.

                                                              6 prostitues murdered or 32 college people murdered? its hard not to justify which laws are fucked up surely?
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                                                              • Anthony
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                                                                • Feb 2001
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                                                                #181
                                                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                Let's be clear. This stuff does NOT happen all the time.
                                                                Unless you are Platinum Bryan, then it always happens *mostly* in the US.

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                                                                • scottybuzz
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                                                                  • May 2006
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                                                                  #182
                                                                  Originally posted by scardog
                                                                  Drinking and driving is a MUCH bigger problem. Maybe we should make it illegal to drink and drive and the problem goes away?
                                                                  ////./.... hahhaa you have got to be kidding me!

                                                                  are you saying LAWS dont work?! they dont take down numbers.


                                                                  if drink driving was allowed there would be 50x the deaths there are

                                                                  surely you can understand that?!

                                                                  all im saying is america should ban guns. it would REDUCE this problem
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                                                                  • Anthony
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                                                                    #183
                                                                    Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                    6 prostitues murdered or 32 college people murdered? its hard not to justify which laws are fucked up surely?
                                                                    You got to be fucking kidding me.

                                                                    So those 6 prostitutes lives were worth less than the 32 today?

                                                                    In case you missed it the first time.

                                                                    1 life is TOO MANY.

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                                                                    • ronaldo
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                                                                      #184
                                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                      sticky fingerz have u ever watched that michael moore film? i know hes an asshole but some intersting facts and figures come across. you have got to admit, america HAS a problem on their hands.
                                                                      Michael Moore serves a purpose. Bringing something to our attention. That's where it should end. Watch his movies, then do your own research and see how accurate he portrays his cause in his movies.

                                                                      For example...

                                                                      http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/ye...02/000117.html

                                                                      More disturbingly, Forbes alleges that Moore staged another involving a Traverse City, Michigan, bank that offered a gun as a promotional enticement for opening an account. The film shows Moore entering the bank, completing the necessary financial transaction, and walking out with his gun.

                                                                      But, in fact, according to Forbes the way the promotion worked is that the customer had to buy a long term CD, then go to a local gun shop, fill out paperwork and pass a background check, and then obtain the gun from the gun shop after the necessary waiting period.

                                                                      Not everything is as it seems...especially in Michael Moore documentaries.

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                                                                      • scottybuzz
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                                                                        • May 2006
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                                                                        #185
                                                                        Originally posted by Mike33
                                                                        Let's be clear. This stuff does NOT happen all the time.
                                                                        yes but it happens alot more in america than it does anywhere in the world

                                                                        BAN GUNS and REDUCE THE PROBLEM.
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                                                                        • scardog
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                                                                          #186
                                                                          Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                          ////./.... hahhaa you have got to be kidding me!

                                                                          are you saying LAWS dont work?! they dont take down numbers.


                                                                          if drink driving was allowed there would be 50x the deaths there are
                                                                          I'm saying laws can't stop this shit anymore than it can stop drunk driving, or drug use. Laws against citizens carrying allows crazies to shoot unarmed people. He can be pretty darn sure nobody on campus has a gun.

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                                                                          • scottybuzz
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                                                                            • May 2006
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                                                                            #187
                                                                            Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                            You got to be fucking kidding me.

                                                                            So those 6 prostitutes lives were worth less than the 32 today?

                                                                            In case you missed it the first time.

                                                                            1 life is TOO MANY.
                                                                            you are missing the point completely, you are way over your head calm down.

                                                                            what im arguing about is that laws should be changed! not about the quality of whose life is better!

                                                                            ffs
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                                                                            • Bryan G
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                                                                              #188
                                                                              Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                              Unless you are Platinum Bryan, then it always happens *mostly* in the US.
                                                                              you are obviously missing what I am saying. Anyways, enjoy your little debate. I'm out
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                                                                              • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                #189
                                                                                Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                killing 6 people in the period of a week is not like killing 32 in one day



                                                                                Im betting the 6 dead people dont feel that way...

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                                                                                • ronaldo
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                                                                                  #190
                                                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                  6 prostitues murdered or 32 college people murdered? its hard not to justify which laws are fucked up surely?
                                                                                  You said one per day right? Was the person caught? What if they weren't and killed one a day for a month? Same total as today. What if they killed one a day for a year? TEN times the total. I don't see one being any better than the other.

                                                                                  What happened today was horrible, but make no mistake, it could happen anywhere in the world...ANYWHERE. Anyone thinking any different will be proved wrong someday.

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                                                                                  • scottybuzz
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                                                                                    #191
                                                                                    Originally posted by scardog
                                                                                    I'm saying laws can't stop this shit anymore than it can stop drunk driving, or drug use. .
                                                                                    well i am saying it can.
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                                                                                    • MetaMan
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                                                                                      #192
                                                                                      I cannot believe alot of you idiots

                                                                                      A) the issue is some nut killing people, not the guns killing people.
                                                                                      B) i dont care where you are in the world if you really want to obtain a gun you can and will.

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                                                                                      • Anthony
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                                                                                        #193
                                                                                        Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                        yes but it happens alot more in america than it does anywhere in the world

                                                                                        BAN GUNS and REDUCE THE PROBLEM.
                                                                                        You might want to do some research before making statments like this.

                                                                                        Because you are wrong.

                                                                                        Might want to look up Brazil when you get a chance.

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                                                                                        • scardog
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                                                                                          #194
                                                                                          Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                          yes but it happens alot more in america than it does anywhere in the world

                                                                                          BAN GUNS and REDUCE THE PROBLEM.
                                                                                          You go ahead and give up your right to own a gun. We here in the states will continue to fight for ours. Our right to own guns is in our constitution, as to limit the power of the federal government, not for hunting. Criminals love unarmed victims. You may live in a place where everyone loves one another. I live in a place where people break into your house and kill you for your stuff.

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                                                                                          • scottybuzz
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                                                                                            #195
                                                                                            Originally posted by ronaldo
                                                                                            You said one per day right? Was the person caught? What if they weren't and killed one a day for a month? Same total as today. What if they killed one a day for a year? TEN times the total. I don't see one being any better than the other.

                                                                                            What happened today was horrible, but make no mistake, it could happen anywhere in the world...ANYWHERE. Anyone thinking any different will be proved wrong someday.
                                                                                            and what im saying ronaldo, is that it is happening more in america than any other country!

                                                                                            this isnt my opinion man, this is fact!
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                                                                                            • scottybuzz
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                                                                                              #196
                                                                                              Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                                              You might want to do some research before making statments like this.

                                                                                              Because you are wrong.

                                                                                              Might want to look up Brazil when you get a chance.
                                                                                              brazil - 3rd world country.
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                                                                                              • Anthony
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                                                                                                #197
                                                                                                Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                you are missing the point completely, you are way over your head calm down.

                                                                                                what im arguing about is that laws should be changed! not about the quality of whose life is better!

                                                                                                ffs
                                                                                                I'm over my head? You haven't proven anything yet worthwhile in this thread.

                                                                                                If that was what you meant, how hard was it to type it out the first time?

                                                                                                I hate people who make up facts, I hate people who try to back track after it's get pointed out how stupid they are.

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                                                                                                • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                  #198
                                                                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                  sticky fingerz have u ever watched that michael moore film? i know hes an asshole but some intersting facts and figures come across. you have got to admit, america HAS a problem on their hands.
                                                                                                  Bowling for columbine? Umm ya Ive seen it, and seen nearly every fact totally debunked. Was another money making opportunity for him to collect financially off people dying. I hate that fat fucker.

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                                                                                                  • PersianKitty
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                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                    Very very sad. April seems like a prime month for this stuff for some reason.

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                                                                                                    • »Rob Content«
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                                                                                                      #200
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                                                      YOU SAID FEDERAL GOVERMENT. How much more shit did you make up to bolster your worthless posts?

                                                                                                      So you are telling me, that you don't know the difference between the federal, local, or state goverment, but yet want us to believe you know what you are talking about?

                                                                                                      I'm done with you.

                                                                                                      Whatever.
                                                                                                      Actually I said "federal agent" Local police are paid by the state, which to me makes them an agent of the gov.

                                                                                                      How I worded it should not matter much, everyone getting all huffy puffy and name calling and everything. All I was saying is students cannot carry guns, so the theory of "if a lot of the students had guns this would have ended sooner" idea.

                                                                                                      Do I hate guns no, do I think they are out of control yes, I think most people would agree there. Should people be allowed to own them, sure thing.

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