Online Poker is a SCAM!

[Martin]

Believe it.. In real poker games, I win more then your average player. Im not saying Im great but I think I'm better then average but online I get sucked out by the worst fucking hands. Can't win. Don't play real money online. Im convinced is rigged, either by the site itself or you're playing the same guy in a 9 player sit and go. I learned my lesson. ITS A RIP OFF!

[Ecchi22]

Hrm.. Thats weird.. I stopped playing real money poker online few months ago, and I can say that I was few hundreds of dollars in positive when I stopped.

Maybe you're right. You can never know whats going on out there and who are you playin' against ;)

[GAMEFINEST]

i prefer gambling in person.....shieeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[Tryme]

bots will kill you online

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by Martin

Believe it.. In real poker games, I win more then your average player. Im not saying Im great but I think I'm better then average but online I get sucked out by the worst fucking hands. Can't win. Don't play real money online. Im convinced is rigged, either by the site itself or you're playing the same guy in a 9 player sit and go. I learned my lesson. ITS A RIP OFF!

People have software where they can view all of your cards online.

Mitch

[Daruma]

Originally Posted by Martin

Believe it.. In real poker games, I win more then your average player. Im not saying Im great but I think I'm better then average but online I get sucked out by the worst fucking hands. Can't win. Don't play real money online. Im convinced is rigged, either by the site itself or you're playing the same guy in a 9 player sit and go. I learned my lesson. ITS A RIP OFF!

you've maybe run into some collusion games.. its not the software - its a group of 2 or more players in together sucking out $ and splitting..

[Martin]

Originally Posted by Ecchi22

Hrm.. Thats weird.. I stopped playing real money poker online few months ago, and I can say that I was few hundreds of dollars in positive when I stopped.

Maybe you're right. You can never know whats going on out there and who are you playin' against ;)

I should have done the samething, first few months I was doing great. Was up, doing good then nothing but suck outs and bad beats... (Me Pocket aces) I raise. Get two callers. Flop comes nothing. I push all in, one guy folds, the other guy calls. I show AA he shows 5-7 off suit. He has a pair five. Turn another 5, river 7. He fills his boat. I mean seriously, give me a fucking break. This is just one of the stories I could share.

[Alky]

The thing is... you see more hands online then you do in live games... so you automatically think you are getting sucked out on more.

I have been bad beat many many many times in a casino, it's just odds, that's all.

[BAKO]

fuck all the online gambling shit

[Pleasurepays]

9 out of 10 poker bots disagree with this thread.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Daruma

you've maybe run into some collusion games.. its not the software - its a group of 2 or more players in together sucking out $ and splitting..

could easily be, its not too hard to sit a few buddies down on the same table, play eachother weak, and drain fish as they sit down at your table and split the take aterwards...

[hezochiah]

Basically with onlone poker you can't read the people like you can in rel life so you just have to play the cards. If you don't have a top 3 hand there's no sense staying in the game because they are rigged for action on top of some of the other factors mentioned already.

The hand that made me stop playing for money was when I had pocket Aces and the flop came A-K-K which gave me Aces full of Kings. I bet on the flop and the other guy called. I bet on the turn and the other guy called again. Then when I bet on the river he raised me and I went all in. He called and had pocket Kings which gave him 4 kings and crushed my boat. Now that is a hand I'll never forgett...

[Humpy Leftnut]

There's just no motive. Their motive is to keep you clicking, they only make money by the rake. There's just nothing in it for them to rig games.

As for collusion, play on Poker Stars. They actively police collusion, and I actually received a CREDIT out of the blue from them. They said I was involved in a SNG with some colluders, that their accounts were forfeitted, and it's their policy to distribute the money in the forfeitted accounts to the affected players equally. I got like $40 something!

[DaddyMustang]

Originally Posted by Martin

Online Poker is SCAM

And Bill Gates has money ... tell me something new

[Bangin]

I have to disagree and say it is just a run of bad luck.. I was running bad for a week then two weekends ago i turned 120 dollars to more then 1600 in a span of 24 hrs. I try to play only heads up, do to the collusion and less odds of the donks giving me a bad beat... All i can say is to take a week off and then if you still have a bankroll go back at it.

[paymeback]

ive found offline poker (in australia) to be more profitable because you get alot of players that arent your regular poker players. They are gamblers that play blackjack etc.. then come over to the poker pit for something different, they have no idea how to play hands, throw money around and its easy money. Majority of the online players now are playing all the time for hours a day, gone are the days of sitting down and finding 6-7 fish at a 10 max.

[biskoppen]

Originally Posted by Humpy Leftnut

There's just no motive. Their motive is to keep you clicking, they only make money by the rake. There's just nothing in it for them to rig games.

As for collusion, play on Poker Stars. They actively police collusion, and I actually received a CREDIT out of the blue from them. They said I was involved in a SNG with some colluders, that their accounts were forfeitted, and it's their policy to distribute the money in the forfeitted accounts to the affected players equally. I got like $40 something!

Well, they do have a motive...

1) If bad players lost all their money in two hands they wouldn't play anymore - but if bad players wins with insane hands they'll keep on playing

2) If you show the site you're likely to make payouts whenever you win "big" they have a interest in letting the "loyal" players win your money so they stay in game and keeps on getting raked

I've seen people calling $100 on the flop with nothing.. no pairs, no draws.. no nothing.. and then hitting the runner runner hand... these guys are either employees playing or people who's got knowlegde about how these scripts works and favours the bad players

I don't mind all the bad beats - those are probably real enough - but these mysterious players who makes these psychic calls makes me think..

And on top of this you have to think about the amount of people with a gambling problem playing online - for them the flop is just like another pull in the slot machines handle.. if they have a chance of winning something they'll make the call.. pot odds or not

[Humpy Leftnut]

I dunno.. Once I won 9 18 player $20 sng's in a row, outright won 1st place. It happened! Other times I've loaded $200 and lost it in a single hand first cards dealt.. What can ya do. Last time I was in Vegas I I had 85, called a big raise, flopped two pairs, and the off was a 3.. Original better bet big, I raised all in, he called another $250 or so with Aces.. Then A on the turn. yak.. I have a lot of friends that live and play in vegas, the beats are just as brutal, you just see less hands.

[MissEve]

I have basically made my living playing online poker for the past few years, I assure you its not rigged. Get a program like pokertracker where you can look at your hands statistically, you will see that your aces don't get cracked as often as you think. The big, reputable sites have pretty amazing ways of detecting collusion.

I think you are mistaken when you assume that bad players will lose their money and leave. I used to play on Party Poker and I kept tons of notes on players, especially since I played mostly $100+ SNGs I would often play against the same players. There was a program called Poker Prophecy that would give you a SNG players stats by datamining the SNG results. I would constantly see players who had played hundreds of sit and gos and were in the red.

That being said.....I still prefer playing live. Its obviously much easier to play the player when you can see them but I think you develop an intuition after playing tons of hands online.....you can read the player by the speed in which they bet, the amount they bet etc.

[CARTELCASH_David]

offcourse its a scam,lol

[Turboface]

I play Elimination Blackjack (and a little poker) over at UltimateBet. Here is a bonus code that will give you a 100% deposit bonus.

Bonus Code: DOUBLEDOWN

[Boobs]

blackjack is rigged even worse

[jonesonyou]

beware of the bot!

[Martin]

Whatever the case, its not real poker.. Too many crazy hand being delt. Since I've started playing on line I've hit every hand you can get RF, SF, 4 of a kind all of the monsters more then once too. If you play live poker every day, ten hours a day, for 5 years you would be lucky to flop one of those hands. LOL.

[B O B]

you are all under arrest

[channel69content]

I could not begin to tell you how many times I have been rivered on-line by 2 and 3 outers. It does not stop me from playing an average of 2000 hands a week on bodog. In the long run it all comes around. I think your problem is you are playing limits to small, when you get to the larger limits you don’t see as many bad plays resulting in ridiculous suck outs.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

9 out of 10 poker bots disagree with this thread.

[tiger]

blackjack is much worse

[Turboface]

Originally Posted by Boobs

blackjack is rigged even worse

Even if elimination blackjack was rigged, you're not only playing against the dealer but the other players at the table. With that in mind and believing the 'rigged' theory, one could play a very tight game, betting the minimum bet every hand, allowing the other players to overbet and thus losing all of their chips, leaving you the winner of every tournament.

However this is not the case. I almost wished the game was rigged. What I do is keep my initial bets low and watch for the indicators of a hot, neutral, or cold table. I then adjust my betting accordingly, keeping the bets low when things are going bad for everyone and leveraging larger bets when the table is hot.

I could go on and on with elimination (tournament) blackjack strategy, but let's just say that if you're sick of getting screwed by donkeys at the poker table, check out elimination blackjack. It's so much fun and you have a better chance of actually winning more money more consistantly.

[shoeaholicanon]

if you are playing against other onliners they cannot rig it really.
How ever, if you are playing against the computer? I wouldn't recomend it. Plus there are so many amatures online that you can not really play a good game. Most people aren't going to approach a Poker table in a casino unless they know what they are doing and then there is a shot in a fair game.

[Slickster]

If online poker was rigged, then how would you explain these results?

[FuqALot]

This thread is a reminder that there are too many idiots here.

[IllTestYourGirls]

If you can not beat a bot at poker you will never beat a person lol.

I have loaded $600 once and cashed out $1000s.

NO ONE makes you CALL
NO ONE makes you FOLD
NO ONE makes you CHECK

Have you ever thought you just suck at poker?

[Thrawn$]

Originally Posted by Slickster

If online poker was rigged, then how would you explain these results?

on the 25th you played 5 tournements???

[Slickster]

Originally Posted by Thrawn$

on the 25th you played 5 tournements???

LOL I wish that was me. Those are stats for Imperium, one of the top online poker players.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

If you can not beat a bot at poker you will never beat a person lol.

I have loaded $600 once and cashed out $1000s.

NO ONE makes you CALL
NO ONE makes you FOLD
NO ONE makes you CHECK

Have you ever thought you just suck at poker?

Of course I thought I might just suck asswipe. But why do I keep winning in live poker games and seem to lose by way of horrible bad beats everytime online?

You raise your pocket A's 3x the BB and somebody calls with 5-7 off suit and they end up hitting full house. What are they Psychic? No real poker player calls 5-7 off suit with a raise like that.

[Martin]

[QUOTE=Slickster;12237528]If online poker was rigged, then how would you explain these results?
[QUOTE]

Sombody has to win, or no one would play.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Martin

Of course I thought I might just suck asswipe. But why do I keep winning in live poker games and seem to lose by way of horrible bad beats everytime online?

You raise your pocket A's 3x the BB and somebody calls with 5-7 off suit and they end up hitting full house. What are they Psychic? No real poker player calls 5-7 off suit with a raise like that.

3x the big blind is nothing. hands like 57 are perfect for breaking someone who cant fold aces. Look over your hand histories and figure out your leak and fix it, it is just like running a website. See what hands are winning you money and see what hands are losing you money.

and most people think they win live, but keep no real records and just remember the winning times. I am actually an even player live and a huge winner online. I keep records of both.

Online you SEE your bankroll, live you just keep reaching in your pocket.

[MissEve]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

3x the big blind is nothing. hands like 57 are perfect for breaking someone who cant fold aces. Look over your hand histories and figure out your leak and fix it, it is just like running a website. See what hands are winning you money and see what hands are losing you money.

and most people think they win live, but keep no real records and just remember the winning times. I am actually an even player live and a huge winner online. I keep records of both.

Online you SEE your bankroll, live you just keep reaching in your pocket.

This basically sums up my strategy for ring games. I love nothing more than calling 4 or 5 x the BB with small to medium suited connectors when 3+ players call ahead of me and I know they won't lay down their pocket pairs no matter what the board is.

[Martin]

5-7 off is a losing hand 90% of the time against pocket AA even if you hit the 5 on the flop you DONKS!

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Martin

5-7 off is a losing hand 90% of the time against pocket AA even if you hit the 5 on the flop you DONKS!

implied odds donk they KNOW you will give them all your money if you have AA. So say you have $100 bucks and you raise 3x big blind, so $3 bucks. He calls a $3 dollar raise KNOWING you have AA. He gets a monster flop, like 2 pair, set, or full house. He KNOWS you are going to give him all of your $100. So he spent $3 to see if he can hit. 3% of what he knows he can get from you if he hits. Those are odds that that give him the right to call.

So you if you do not want anyone to call you should be betting 10x big blind. You will get everyone to fold and wont lose your money, but then again you will only win the blinds.

[mattz]

Why would they rig it? They make all their money off the rake, it would be pointless for them to rig it, that wouldn't make them anymore money

[mattz]

Originally Posted by MissEve

This basically sums up my strategy for ring games. I love nothing more than calling 4 or 5 x the BB with small to medium suited connectors when 3+ players call ahead of me and I know they won't lay down their pocket pairs no matter what the board is.

i love playing against people that play like you, always come out winning a lot

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by MissEve

This basically sums up my strategy for ring games. I love nothing more than calling 4 or 5 x the BB with small to medium suited connectors when 3+ players call ahead of me and I know they won't lay down their pocket pairs no matter what the board is.

bingo bango bongo! a dude flat calls 3x blind, flop comes 775 he leads out, you raise, he goes all in....what the hell do you think he has? IF you are LUCKY he has an under pair to your AA...if not you are looking for a 2 outter

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by mattz

i love playing against people that play like you, always come out winning a lot

You are right though, you can make a lot of money off people who play like this, but these people dont make their money off you, they make it off people who play another style. That is the killer thing about poker there is no RIGHT way to play. I dont play the low cons. I am a really tight player and make a lot of money on those who donk their money playing cons. I win a lot of small pots, not a few large ones.

[Martin]

When he called my all in he had a pair of 5 on the flop. The turn came another 5 and the river was a 7. He didnt need the 7 but still if you call a raise, the flop comes and you have a pair of 5 the raiser pushes all in you have to put him on a big pocket pair and know you're behind in the hand. He didnt flop the boat dude, I got sucked out BIG TIME!

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Martin

When he called my all in he had a pair of 5 on the flop. The turn came another 5 and the river was a 7. He didnt need the 7 but still if you call a raise, the flop comes and you have a pair of 5 the raiser pushes all in you have to put him on a big pocket pair and know you're behind in the hand. He didnt flop the boat dude, I got sucked out BIG TIME!

life happens

[Martin]

Originally Posted by mattz

Why would they rig it? They make all their money off the rake, it would be pointless for them to rig it, that wouldn't make them anymore money

What you don't think they load the tables with their own players?

I don't care what you think, I think the tables are tilted to certain players. There is no way that online poker is on the up in up in my mind.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

life happens

Dude just fuck off would ya. Jesus.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Martin

Dude just fuck off would ya. Jesus.

let me guess, you were not playing with 5% of you bankroll and that is why you are bitching? Only people who bitch about a bad beat are those who are playing far beyond what they should be playing.