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fusionx · 04-09-2007, 10:05 AM

How do you handle your taxes?

JD · 04-09-2007, 10:07 AM

what are these "taxes" you speak of?

GooSearch · 04-09-2007, 10:10 AM

s corp.. puts me in a better tax bracket
i 1099 my help making them sub contractors
and i write off everything and anything possible

JP513 · 04-09-2007, 11:28 AM

S Corp.

It's far superior to being self-employed because of social security taxes, which are 15.65%. If employed, employee and employer each pay half--but self employed obviously has to pay ALL.

Let's say you make $100k.

As a self-employed person, you pay $15.65k on soc sec taxes.

S Corp is better because you can make yourself an employee and the S Corp can pay you a salary of, say, $30k. Your company and you pay the 15.65% soc sec taxes on that $30k, which is only $4695, vs. $15.65k as self employed.

You can't avoid income taxes to the S Corp on the other $70k, but you can avoid soc sec taxes cause it's not salaried back to you. You can just withdraw money from the company as needed.

This is all legal. But don't take my advice--check with your CPA and/or lawyer.

PersianKitty · 04-09-2007, 11:31 AM

S Corp since 1996.. and still the way to go

Sosa · 04-09-2007, 11:32 AM

Got myself a S-corp as well. Maybe myself a small but decent salary each month and claim that income of course. Talk with a good lawyer and accoutant to help you out. Luckily for me, my wife works at the lawyers office and they do alot of work with my accountant so it all goes together great!

DateDoc · 04-09-2007, 12:07 PM

LLC here - makes it easier to do taxes as I can report the LLC's income on my 1040.

GatorB · 04-09-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JP513

S Corp.

It's far superior to being self-employed because of social security taxes, which are 15.65%. If employed, employee and employer each pay half--but self employed obviously has to pay ALL.

Let's say you make $100k.

As a self-employed person, you pay $15.65k on soc sec taxes.

Wrong.

First of all only the first $94,200 is subject to BOTH the S.S. part( 12.4%) and the medicare part( 2.9%) of SE taxes. Above that you only pay on the medicare part. So if you made say $194,200 the $100K over you only pay $2900.

So on $100K income first think you do is multiply $100K by 92.35%. That comes to $92,350. Mulitply that by 15.3% which is $14,130. Now 50% of that( $7065 ) is deductable off your taxable income. So if you are in the 28% tax bracket that's shaves $1978 off your taxes.

Don't believe me?

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sse.pdf

fusionx · 04-09-2007, 12:54 PM

great stuff peeps - thanks for the info. I do know that self employment taxes are killing me, so I know I need to make some changes.

PersianKitty · 04-09-2007, 12:58 PM

Gator.. true and not true.

It depends on how you work it.

My S-corp is set up so that on paper I receive an annual salary of $200K (amount suggested by my CPA firm to maximize my SS and Fed Withholding deductions along with allowing me to take the maximum contribution to a retirement plan as a business expense). That money is subject to all the normal payroll taxes both employer and employee. The rest of the net income that comes through in a form K-1 is not subject to any self-employment tax. The $200K annual salary comes through on a W-2.

PK

GatorB · 04-09-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PersianKitty

Gator.. true and not true.

What's not true? Everything I posted was true. His numbers were wrong. First of all the SE tax rate is 15.3% not 15.65%. Secondly. Only income $94,200 and under is subject to that 15.3% above that is subject to 2.9% rate.

I'm not commenting which is better or worse. I'm correcting math errors. If that poster is going to make a case about one being better than the other then that poster needs to at least have his facts straight.

Really it depends on the individual situation. If someone is new to this or only does it for part-time money and only makes $10K a year, it's a bit silly to form a S-corp. What's his salary going to be, the entire $10k?

You say you pay yourself $200K. Well that's great. Do you know how many people here don't even gross that? Fact is if one forms a S-corp and one pays oneself close to minimum wage you can bet the IRS is going to look at that.

Linkster · 04-09-2007, 01:53 PM

S Corp because you also have the option of just taking a management fee which can then be rolled over to your personal side if need be without the SS and Medicare - as long as you dont do it a lot

PersianKitty · 04-09-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

What's not true? Everything I posted was true. His numbers were wrong. First of all the SE tax rate is 15.3% not 15.65%. Secondly. Only income $94,200 and under is subject to that 15.3% above that is subject to 2.9% rate.

I'm not commenting which is better or worse. I'm correcting math errors. If that poster is going to make a case about one being better than the other then that poster needs to at least have his facts straight.

Really it depends on the individual situation. If someone is new to this or only does it for part-time money and only makes $10K a year, it's a bit silly to form a S-corp. What's his salary going to be, the entire $10k?

You say you pay yourself $200K. Well that's great. Do you know how many people here don't even gross that? Fact is if one forms a S-corp and one pays oneself close to minimum wage you can bet the IRS is going to look at that.

It wouldn't make sense to pay yourself a low wage through an S Corp. In the end, the income all passes through to the owner just the same as if they were a sole proprieter. Passing a decent amount of that income through in the form of a salary serves several purposes. One.. it provides the owner with contributions to both social security and federal withholding which allows for SS payments when you retire and reduces the quarterly estimated payments for personal income tax. There are also benefits in regards to expenses the S-corp can absorb.

In the case of someone with net income near or lower than the social security tax income threshold ($97,500 for 2007), an S-Corp doesn't neccessarily provide a benefit in regards to the medicare portion of the SE tax. For S Corps with income over that limit it certainly can be a benefit. Such a benefit that the laws are being reviewed and may be changed in the case of SCorps with one owner or with an owner that owns a 50% or larger share.

The subject comes up here several times a year and almost always around tax time. Ultimately (and as you said), the decision is based on individual circumstances and it helps to consult an attorney familiar with incorporating and a CPA.

PK

GigoloMason · 04-09-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP513

S Corp.

It's far superior to being self-employed because of social security taxes, which are 15.65%. If employed, employee and employer each pay half--but self employed obviously has to pay ALL.

Let's say you make $100k.

As a self-employed person, you pay $15.65k on soc sec taxes.

S Corp is better because you can make yourself an employee and the S Corp can pay you a salary of, say, $30k. Your company and you pay the 15.65% soc sec taxes on that $30k, which is only $4695, vs. $15.65k as self employed.

You can't avoid income taxes to the S Corp on the other $70k, but you can avoid soc sec taxes cause it's not salaried back to you. You can just withdraw money from the company as needed.

This is all legal. But don't take my advice--check with your CPA and/or lawyer.

You need a new accountant.

djscrib · 04-09-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PersianKitty

. One.. it provides the owner with contributions to both social security and federal withholding which allows for SS payments when you retire and reduces the quarterly estimated payments for personal income tax.

That's a pretty lame incentive.

The amount you put into SS is obviously not what you're going to be getting back. You're much better keeping that money and investing it yourself.

Put in the bare minimum to SS humanly possible and pray there actually is a SS system when it's time to retire.

Busty · 04-09-2007, 02:58 PM

S Corp is the way to go. If you have an Amex go to www.bizfilings.com and register it there, way cheaper than using an attorney.

Peaches · 04-09-2007, 03:13 PM

S Corp. My CPA went through everything with me and decided $$$ wise for me, it's the best arrangement. I pay myself a relatively small salary which I pay SS and Medicare taxes on. All income I have to pay state and federal income tax on (unearned income) but this gives me some leeway on what I'm putting into SS and what I'm using to invest on my own. I think right now my SS statement shows me getting something pathetic like $500 a month when I retire - I'm better at investing my $$$ than the government is ;)

BTW, a tax attorney friend of mine also OK'd this so don't tell me I need a new accountant

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DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	LLC here - makes it easier to do taxes as I can report the LLC's income on my 1040. __________________

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PersianKitty Meow Media Inc. Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the valley of the sun, cactus, tacos, tequila, and nod Posts: 7,785	Gator.. true and not true. It depends on how you work it. My S-corp is set up so that on paper I receive an annual salary of $200K (amount suggested by my CPA firm to maximize my SS and Fed Withholding deductions along with allowing me to take the maximum contribution to a retirement plan as a business expense). That money is subject to all the normal payroll taxes both employer and employee. The rest of the net income that comes through in a form K-1 is not subject to any self-employment tax. The $200K annual salary comes through on a W-2. PK __________________ Wondering what webmaster programs PK uses? Check them out here!

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04-09-2007, 11:28 AM	#4
JP513 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Republic of Barebackistan Posts: 1,914	S Corp. It's far superior to being self-employed because of social security taxes, which are 15.65%. If employed, employee and employer each pay half--but self employed obviously has to pay ALL. Let's say you make $100k. As a self-employed person, you pay $15.65k on soc sec taxes. S Corp is better because you can make yourself an employee and the S Corp can pay you a salary of, say, $30k. Your company and you pay the 15.65% soc sec taxes on that $30k, which is only $4695, vs. $15.65k as self employed. You can't avoid income taxes to the S Corp on the other $70k, but you can avoid soc sec taxes cause it's not salaried back to you. You can just withdraw money from the company as needed. This is all legal. But don't take my advice--check with your CPA and/or lawyer.

04-09-2007, 11:32 AM	#6
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	Got myself a S-corp as well. Maybe myself a small but decent salary each month and claim that income of course. Talk with a good lawyer and accoutant to help you out. Luckily for me, my wife works at the lawyers office and they do alot of work with my accountant so it all goes together great!

04-09-2007, 12:54 PM	#9
fusionx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Olongapo City, Philippines Posts: 4,618	great stuff peeps - thanks for the info. I do know that self employment taxes are killing me, so I know I need to make some changes.

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Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	S Corp. My CPA went through everything with me and decided $$$ wise for me, it's the best arrangement. I pay myself a relatively small salary which I pay SS and Medicare taxes on. All income I have to pay state and federal income tax on (unearned income) but this gives me some leeway on what I'm putting into SS and what I'm using to invest on my own. I think right now my SS statement shows me getting something pathetic like $500 a month when I retire - I'm better at investing my $$$ than the government is ;) BTW, a tax attorney friend of mine also OK'd this so don't tell me I need a new accountant