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Linkster · 04-09-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by darling2

Yup, its unfair how bad press nuclear energy has had in the past. I guess most of that is because of chernobyl, where 56 people died directly and estimated total of 4000 in all the following years to this date:
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/inf07.htm

Compare this with the 50,000 to 120,000 who die every year in USA alone from pollution from burning fossil fuel:
http://www.cleanerandgreener.org/pro.../pollution.htm

That doesnt take into acount the amount of radioactivity released by burning coal - which is hundreds of times worse than anything put out be a nuclear plant - its amazing that working at one nuclear plant in Florida we used to have to have our techs take samples outside every day to prove that the radioactivity setting off our plant alarms were coming from the coal plant next door

Chernobyl was a total screw-up by some people that should have known better - playing games during testing is something just not done - but fortunately all of the plants that were built in that design were all in Eastern Europe - a really pitiful design - and that type of thing cannot happen no matter how hard we try (ie 3mile island) at the US plants - just wish someone in the media would have really covered what really happened at TMI truthfully so that we could get over this stupidity that exists over fear of nuclear power

Splum · 04-09-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

nuclear power

I hope they build a nuclear plant right next to your house.

Linkster · 04-09-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

He got it right it was above average, and the next season was below average, notice a trend?

Yeah - just a little over average -

Only the worst season ever in history - but thats ok - he redeemed himself later on by the time his team made their 4th prediction (after NOAA released their doomsday predictions for hurricanes that year) and revised it to be a little worse than normal

I do respect the guy because he does have a good feel for the overall scientific problems inherent with any type of wedding of politics and science - and since I only get into these discussions to play anyway and have my own opinions as to why global warming isnt really occuring due to human consumptions - I just see what paths look like the most fun

schneemann · 04-09-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

The local weatherman cant even get your forecast right do you think they will take bets too? How fucking stupid is that, you enviroNazis have to place bets with scientists because you think you are right. Dumb dumb mindless fucking sheep, go conserve all the energy you want, Ill leave my SUV running all night long just to cancel you little fucktwats out.

Hey dicklicker, I have TWO bigass American V8 driven SUVs and a 1971 Chevelle that practically spews raw gas out the tailpipe when it idles. The difference is I don't bury my fucking head in the sand about this sort of shit.

Linkster · 04-09-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

I hope they build a nuclear plant right next to your house.

I would have no problems with it whatsoever - I live about 30 miles from one now but thats mostly because of the area next to the plant being all wilderness
I have lived next to some in the past (in both New York and Florida) and I can tell you the fishing is fantastic at the discharge areas due to the increased temperature - unfortunately the really good fishing places are off limits now due to "homeland security"

Of course it will be a while before a plant is built next to anyone - right now the applications have already been filed in at least 3 states that Im aware of - New York, Florida and Mississippi where the environmental studies have already been done - but actual construction is a good 5 years out

Splum · 04-09-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by schneemann

Hey dicklicker, I have TWO bigass American V8 driven SUVs and a 1971 Chevelle that practically spews raw gas out the tailpipe when it idles. The difference is I don't bury my fucking head in the sand about this sort of shit.

I see so you are the ultimate hypocrite, hey I can respect that.

Splum · 04-09-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

I have lived next to some in the past (in both New York and Florida) and I can tell you the fishing is fantastic at the discharge areas due to the increased temperature

Haha that completely explains what happened to you.

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Thats easy:
The predictive scientist:
"On December 3, 2004, Dr. Gray's team issued its first extended-range forecast for the 2005 season, predicting a slightly above-average season"

The result:
"The 2005 Atlantic hurricane season was the most active Atlantic hurricane season in recorded history, shattering previous records on repeated occasions. The impact of the season was widespread and ruinous with at least 2,280 deaths and record damages of over $128 billion USD"

They said last year the same thing was going to happen and it was one of the most quiet hurricane seasons in many many years. The smart weathermen look to the sun for their indications of weather.

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Boy that's ignorant. If you admit that global warming does in fact happen and if you admit that CO2 is a greenhouse that contributes to global warming. Then how can you say that when man puts CO2 into the air is has no effect? Of course it does.

Actually, science shows the major contributing "Greenhouse gas" is water vapor, and CO2 is negligible. Our effect is even negligible. Why not look into the research that scientists who are specialists in their field are actually saying, not just people looking for government handouts for research. Don't you know "global warming" is the catchphrase to get scientific funding (based entirely on the fact that it's a political hot topic right now)? Before you decide to answer that, why not watch a scientifically backed and very well researched video from the OTHER side of the camp, because apparently fox news is very influential for you. :P

https://youtube.com/index?&sessio...Mj0MbnVAmdJLQ=

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 01:59 PM

So Linkster... if Man is causing global warming now.. what caused the last major global warming period during medieval times? I'm sure it was man's contribution to the atmosphere with massive amounts of industry... and the temperature rise at that point in history was MUCH more dramatic than it is today. Hell in the 70's they were telling everyone to prepare for a global Ice Age! Could it perhaps be possible even for a moment that man DIDN'T cause our global warming today, but that it's part of earth's ongoing cycle and it's interaction with the sun for oh... BILLIONS of years? Never in earth's history has the temperature been sedentary. It's ALWAYS changing an evolving up AND down. It wasn't that long ago that areas in the world covered with miles of ice were thriving rainforsts.. Humans must have caused all that to change too. And I'm sure humans are causing the same exact pattern of global warming that's happening on mars that is mimicking earth's warming cycles.. (but no it could NEVER be possible that there's an even larger external source involved.. the sun).

schneemann · 04-09-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

I see so you are the ultimate hypocrite, hey I can respect that.

hahahaha. No. I have a much more realistic understanding of the problem than most people.
For instance, did you know that running a common lawnmower for an hour emits the same amount of shit into the air as driving a modern car for 10 hours?

In my opinion it is possible to be friendly to the environment without being a kook - some ways that will actually save you money, too. Case-in-point: heating your pool with solar power. Solar power cells and the associated equipment pays for itself after a short while and you get a big tax write off! Win-win!

I also compost old kitchen and yard waste and collect rain water into rain barrels for use in my garden. But dammit, try to fuck with my hot-rods and some hippies will die.

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by schneemann

hahahaha. No. I have a much more realistic understanding of the problem than most people.
For instance, did you know that running a common lawnmower for an hour emits the same amount of shit into the air as driving a modern car for 10 hours?

In my opinion it is possible to be friendly to the environment without being a kook - some ways that will actually save you money, too. Case-in-point: heating your pool with solar power. Solar power cells and the associated equipment pays for itself after a short while and you get a big tax write off! Win-win!

I also compost old kitchen and yard waste and collect rain water into rain barrels for use in my garden. But dammit, try to fuck with my hot-rods and some hippies will die.

Reducing pollution and helping the environment are excellent causes on their own, but aren't going to do sweet fuck all to "stop" global warming. They will, however, have a benificial impact on generations to come as far as the environment and living conditions, and that alone should be enough reason for people to cut back on their output. Scare tactics and frightening people into alarm are only good for political gains, not environmental ones.

darling2 · 04-09-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

I hope they build a nuclear plant right next to your house.

I would rather want to live next door to a nuclear power plant, than close to a big highway or a coal power plant, because its safer!

Just like i'd rather want to fly by airplane than drive long distance, because it is safer! (and more comfortable)

Pleasurepays · 04-09-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by schneemann

No, douchewaffle, I never said I was "wired in". I said I know people who are.
Learn to read.

i'm wired in too. i know Batman.

like you, i can't tell you how or why. i definately can't tell you anything that would lead you to figure out where the Bat Cave is. but, as with your statements about knowing people in D.C. that "tell you how it REALLY is"... i only can tell you that anything you say is wrong because Batman told me so.

adultseo · 04-09-2007, 04:12 PM

Very interesting topic!

I've recently bought the domain Forest.com so I am folowing everything related to climate change/global warming and other subjects related to the environment.

I personally think global warming caused by humans (how small it may seem compared to other factors) does represent a big issue, as it makes clear that humans are disturbing nature. We are surely not able to oversee all consequences from that disturbance in nature, so for the better it is best to limit the emission of greenhouse gasses as fast we can and the best we can.

Linkster · 04-09-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

So Linkster... if Man is causing global warming now.. what caused the last major global warming period during medieval times? ... And I'm sure humans are causing the same exact pattern of global warming that's happening on mars that is mimicking earth's warming cycles.. (but no it could NEVER be possible that there's an even larger external source involved.. the sun).

I dont believe I ever said that - as a matter of fact I believe I said just the opposite above...myquote "and have my own opinions as to why global warming isnt really occuring due to human consumptions"

That said you are spewing a bunch of BS that has nothing to do whatsoever with the science of relating human input to global warming one way or the other...the fact that the earth heats up and cools down is a given...the cycles as you state have always been here...the difference I believe is that this is the first major cycle where humans have been in existence...the other times we dont have a real good history of because...well...there werent any historians except a few rather smart dinosaurs that left us some small indicators

The real facts here are that there is one other cycle that no one seems to give a shit about and that is that every 28,000 years the earth passes through the center of the gravitational field of the black hole at the center of the milky way...and "some scientists" are predicting that the tectonic plate shift that will occur when that happens will totally obliterate the human race just as it has caused major shifts in the earths rotational axis and weather many times before ....while some disagree and hold great scientific reasons why it wont happen...all I know for a fact is that it will occur alot sooner than global warming will affect humans...as it is scheduled to occur in just a few years from now (there is something that ties into this about the end of I Ching and the end of the Aztec/Mayan calenders occuring the same year as well but I tend to discount religious references)
That why Im just glad Ill be dead already and wont have to watch the end of the human race

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

I dont believe I ever said that - as a matter of fact I believe I said just the opposite above...myquote "and have my own opinions as to why global warming isnt really occuring due to human consumptions"

That said you are spewing a bunch of BS that has nothing to do whatsoever with the science of relating human input to global warming one way or the other...the fact that the earth heats up and cools down is a given...the cycles as you state have always been here...the difference I believe is that this is the first major cycle where humans have been in existence...the other times we dont have a real good history of because...well...there werent any historians except a few rather smart dinosaurs that left us some small indicators

The real facts here are that there is one other cycle that no one seems to give a shit about and that is that every 28,000 years the earth passes through the center of the gravitational field of the black hole at the center of the milky way...and "some scientists" are predicting that the tectonic plate shift that will occur when that happens will totally obliterate the human race just as it has caused major shifts in the earths rotational axis and weather many times before ....while some disagree and hold great scientific reasons why it wont happen...all I know for a fact is that it will occur alot sooner than global warming will affect humans...as it is scheduled to occur in just a few years from now (there is something that ties into this about the end of I Ching and the end of the Aztec/Mayan calenders occuring the same year as well but I tend to discount religious references)
That why Im just glad Ill be dead already and wont have to watch the end of the human race

Global warming will have a huge affect on the world, just like it did in the past... Feast followed by famine and a global cooling. It's happened many times since man has walked the earth, and if you don't believe me, why not do some research into paleoclimatology yourself? All the data is out there and it's definitely not the picture you paint. Global warming or cooling would certainly not be the end of the human race.. it never was in the past, and it won't be this time.. Humans are hardy and smart and manage to survive. Hell we even still have polar bears, weren't they all supposed to die if global warming happened? Somehow they hung on through the medieval warm period. You are a very gloom and doom kind of guy but you don't have all the facts.. Preachy and uninformed, very scary mix.

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

I dont believe I ever said that - as a matter of fact I believe I said just the opposite above...myquote "and have my own opinions as to why global warming isnt really occuring due to human consumptions"

That said you are spewing a bunch of BS that has nothing to do whatsoever with the science of relating human input to global warming one way or the other...the fact that the earth heats up and cools down is a given...the cycles as you state have always been here...the difference I believe is that this is the first major cycle where humans have been in existence...]

Apparently you have no clue of history. The Medieval warming period happened WELL during the time period humans were on the earth, and the warming trend then was FAR more dramatic than it is now. It lasted from 800-1300 AD (approximately), and the cooling period afterward was the dawning of the dark ages (And the Little Ice Age). Don't listen to me though, there, ace. Why don't you look it up for yourself? I'm sure humans contributed to that one, with all that industry going on back then right? :P

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Apparently you have no clue of history. The Medieval warming period happened WELL during the time period humans were on the earth, and the warming trend then was FAR more dramatic than it is now. It lasted from 800-1300 AD (approximately), and the cooling period afterward was the dawning of the dark ages (And the Little Ice Age). Don't listen to me though, there, ace. Why don't you look it up for yourself? I'm sure humans contributed to that one, with all that industry going on back then right? :P

I should also mention this is the same Medieval warming period that in 2001 the IPCC tried to have REMOVED from the history books, essentially, because it was a threat to their lobbying. Funny the same emmissions in the 1970's were predicted to be the precursor to an ICE AGE, considering co2 tends to act as an insulator to keep cosmic rays OUT as well as in. Funny though if you look at the IPCC's version of climate history, they have removed the MWP AND the Little Ice Age.. too bad it can't be erased from scientific fact or from the history books eh? Again if you don't believe me, I come backed up by facts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...it/nwarm05.xml

volante · 04-09-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Boy that's ignorant. If you admit that global warming does in fact happen and if you admit that CO2 is a greenhouse that contributes to global warming. Then how can you say that when man puts CO2 into the air is has no effect? Of course it does.

Percentage of greenhouse gases that are manmade CO2: 0.117%. In other words, insignificant. A volcano erupted on Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean a few days ago and released more greenhouse gases in a day than humans will in a year.

Some interesting figures: http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

StuartD · 04-09-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

LOL! Another classic thread where StuartD shows how much of a moron he is by making irrelevant statements and then trying to back peddle and make moot-unrelated points that have nothing to do with what the original poster intended.

I too believe global warming is bullshit and for good reasons, none of which has anything to do with Bush's. Matter of fact, I don't even know/care what he thinks. It has nothing to do with politics as much as it has to do with common sense.

Hardly my fault if you can't keep up. It goes a long way to understanding, something you never do.

V_RocKs · 04-09-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

No way, Al Gore told me otherwise so I'm going to blindly believe him!

I'd hit it, 2x's!

Splum · 04-09-2007, 05:44 PM

All these liberal enviroNazis on here make me want to drain my local power grid. Everytime you treefuckers recycle you can bet there will be someone like me canceling your carbon neutrality out by letting my SUV run all night. I can afford to waste resources just to have the satisfaction knowing I make your life a living hell.

LadyMischief · 04-09-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by volante

Percentage of greenhouse gases that are manmade CO2: 0.117%. In other words, insignificant. A volcano erupted on Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean a few days ago and released more greenhouse gases in a day than humans will in a year.

Some interesting figures: http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

The IPCC are using exaggerated models and numbers to do their predictions from, as well, that inflates the human element immensely. They do their calculations based on 1% Co2 contribution by humans per annum. The actual total amount is more like 0.38%. Do the math and it's easy to see the final tempurature changes you come out with are VASTLY different on a worldwide scale using the inflated UN model numbers and the actual factual numbers. The UN numbers give an increase along the lines of 1-6 degrees in the 21st century... some alarmists even suggest as much as 10 degrees. If you use the REAL numbers, they indicate more along the lines of 0.6 to 1.5 degrees in the 21st century. A blip on the scale, but BARELY.

schneemann · 04-09-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i'm wired in too. i know Batman.

like you, i can't tell you how or why. i definately can't tell you anything that would lead you to figure out where the Bat Cave is. but, as with your statements about knowing people in D.C. that "tell you how it REALLY is"... i only can tell you that anything you say is wrong because Batman told me so.

Hey here's a great idea. Why don't you go ahead and post your full name and your employer right here on GFY. What? You don't want to? Why not?

I'm not going into details because the fact that I'm involved in making adult websites might very likely harm the career of someone I'm VERY close to.

Believe me or don't, I don't give a fuck. It is really no skin off my teeth if someone on GFY doesn't believe me.

SilentKnight · 04-09-2007, 06:36 PM

Why are we still shoveling global warming in Southern Ontario?!

Silent (still wearing a tuque) Knight

HeadPimp · 04-09-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

So what are you doing to help the planet?

I wanted to kill all my redneck relatives to stop the cycle of reproduction and their purchasing of 5mpg trucks and 4-wheelers, but people keep stopping me.

Linkster · 04-09-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Global warming will have a huge affect on the world, just like it did in the past... Feast followed by famine and a global cooling. It's happened many times since man has walked the earth, and if you don't believe me, why not do some research into paleoclimatology yourself? All the data is out there and it's definitely not the picture you paint. Global warming or cooling would certainly not be the end of the human race.. it never was in the past, and it won't be this time.. Humans are hardy and smart and manage to survive. Hell we even still have polar bears, weren't they all supposed to die if global warming happened? Somehow they hung on through the medieval warm period. You are a very gloom and doom kind of guy but you don't have all the facts.. Preachy and uninformed, very scary mix.

You obviously are not reading my posts very well so its understandable how you can misinterpret scientific data as well...

I have been agreeing with you...and yet you still want to argue???? Fine - I will go look at your paleoclimatology data - I hope they also take into account the natural disasters like the no summer year caused by a volcano super-eruption in medieval times - and all other variables that affect the ups and downs - again so that you dont miss it - I NEVER SAID HUMANS HAVE ANY EFFECT ON WARMING (or cooling for that matter)

Secondly - if you dont like my predictions of the future - oh well - I am not here to please you - I'm only here to please myself - being a firm believer in Objectivism I have no fears, hopes, wishes etc as reality exists no matter what you or I feel - I only exist for me and that is my only purpose - both morally and physically

04-09-2007, 01:59 PM	#60
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	So Linkster... if Man is causing global warming now.. what caused the last major global warming period during medieval times? I'm sure it was man's contribution to the atmosphere with massive amounts of industry... and the temperature rise at that point in history was MUCH more dramatic than it is today. Hell in the 70's they were telling everyone to prepare for a global Ice Age! Could it perhaps be possible even for a moment that man DIDN'T cause our global warming today, but that it's part of earth's ongoing cycle and it's interaction with the sun for oh... BILLIONS of years? Never in earth's history has the temperature been sedentary. It's ALWAYS changing an evolving up AND down. It wasn't that long ago that areas in the world covered with miles of ice were thriving rainforsts.. Humans must have caused all that to change too. And I'm sure humans are causing the same exact pattern of global warming that's happening on mars that is mimicking earth's warming cycles.. (but no it could NEVER be possible that there's an even larger external source involved.. the sun). __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

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adultseo Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 365	Very interesting topic! I've recently bought the domain Forest.com so I am folowing everything related to climate change/global warming and other subjects related to the environment. I personally think global warming caused by humans (how small it may seem compared to other factors) does represent a big issue, as it makes clear that humans are disturbing nature. We are surely not able to oversee all consequences from that disturbance in nature, so for the better it is best to limit the emission of greenhouse gasses as fast we can and the best we can. __________________ The key to get ranked one in Google is to provide the best.

04-09-2007, 05:44 PM	#73
Splum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,195	All these liberal enviroNazis on here make me want to drain my local power grid. Everytime you treefuckers recycle you can bet there will be someone like me canceling your carbon neutrality out by letting my SUV run all night. I can afford to waste resources just to have the satisfaction knowing I make your life a living hell.

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SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	Why are we still shoveling global warming in Southern Ontario?! Silent (still wearing a tuque) Knight