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sarettah 04-07-2007 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat (Post 12216664)
if you need a gun, you are affraid of something, so enjoy! :party-smi im happy im living in country where gun have not every second idiot

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me. :thumbsup

MaDalton 04-07-2007 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 12216538)
MaDalton is clearly a racist.

how do you handle that - whites in the front seats, blacks in the back?? :Graucho

or separate busses? :1orglaugh

MaDalton 04-07-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12216621)
One of my buddies was telling me about the training he had to go thru just to fish there . . . I think they have really gone over the top with animal rights.

yeah, a driving license is easier to get - it's a little absurd

sarettah 04-07-2007 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12216536)
i just had a steak - it was already dead when i bought it. and guess what? i doubt it was killed with a rifle

I almost forgot to come back to this.

Someone/something killed it. Either a human or a machine operated by a human. That human used a weapon of some sort to kill it.

The weapon might have been a knife, a gun, a drug, a sledgehammer, or any of the other assorted methods that they use. (btw, on an aside, you ever seen the way they kill cows? If you did you would probably think a rifle shot to the head was a lot more humane)

Fully opposable thumbs and the weapons (tools, whatever) that they allow us (as in humans) to build and utilize are what have allowed us to dominate the rest of the animal kingdom and have allowed you to have that steak.








Porpoises used to have fully opposable thumbs so there is still hope for humankind

MaDalton 04-07-2007 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 12216800)
I almost forgot to come back to this.

Someone/something killed it. Either a human or a machine operated by a human. That human used a weapon of some sort to kill it.

The weapon might have been a knife, a gun, a drug, a sledgehammer, or any of the other assorted methods that they use. (btw, on an aside, you ever seen the way they kill cows? If you did you would probably think a rifle shot to the head was a lot more humane)

Fully opposable thumbs and the weapons (tools, whatever) that they allow us (as in humans) to build and utilize are what have allowed us to dominate the rest of the animal kingdom and have allowed you to have that steak.








Porpoises used to have fully opposable thumbs so there is still hope for humankind

so cause you have a handgun i have a steak... cool - thanks a lot, it was tasty :thumbsup

stickyfingerz 04-07-2007 03:29 PM

You can just put pennies in old socks and swing them about. That will stop that 6'5" criminal busting your door down to hurt your family. Im sooo glad I wasnt raised a brainwashed socialist....

Webby 04-07-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12216112)
Your location says Costa Rica.

I could have sworn that I read a thread here a few weeks ago where recent transplants to CR wrote of living in compounds with barbed wire topped fences and armed guards, and that you must be careful where you go at night and be sure not to wear anything too nice.

Like anywhere else, there is an element of truth in that baddog - any major city has it's problems.

The flipside is what ya read is not always the truth. I was told the same thing and was paranoid for the first six months here till realizing it was mainly bullshit. There is also a tendency for "gringos" to compound themselves in - that's their problem.

Other aspect are the North American tourists cluttering the place up - it's hard not to burst out laughing when you hear them explain to others (like they are qualified to talk!) how it's a dangerous place and you can get mugged etc :winkwink:

Was chatting to the OIJ (the investigative or "real" police) director, (sinced moved on) here a year or so ago and she was moaning about the "vast" crime rate. Asked her what her problem mainly was? She comes back with - "we have almost 600 credit card frauds on file..." Dammit girl - you think you have problems?? 600 card frauds is *nothing* in comparison to the population - try visiting "civilized world" and you'll have more than 600 poxy credit card frauds :winkwink:

Perceptions can be misleading - tho there is a predominance of minor theft, that is on the high side, - but not so much serious crime. Guns are not part of the issue and the govt is destroying existing guns (even some of their own) and limiting importation.

sarettah 04-07-2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12216847)
so cause you have a handgun i have a steak... cool - thanks a lot, it was tasty :thumbsup

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The video shows fallen cows being trampled and dragged, others are tortured with electric prods. One cow has fallen and workers stick an electric prod on its head, then place the prod down its mouth. Still other cows are hung on chains, fully conscious, blinking and kicking. The worker who shot the tape said one cow was already at a station where legs are removed. ?It would be horrible if someone were to cut off your leg without anesthesia.??

According to Steve Cockerham, a USDA inspector at Nebraska slaughterhouses, and former USDA veterinarian Lester Friedlander, some U.S. slaughterhouses routinely skin live cattle, immerse squealing pigs in scalding water, and abuse still-conscious animals in other ways to keep production lines moving quickly.

Cockerham said that he often saw plant workers cut the feet, ears, and udders off cattle that were conscious on the production line after stun guns failed to work properly. "They were still blinking and moving. It's a sickening thing to see," he said.

It takes 25 minutes to turn a live steer into steak at the modern slaughterhouse where Ramon Moreno works. For 20 years, his post was ?second-legger,? a job that entails cutting hocks off carcasses as they whirl past at a rate of 309 an hour. The cattle were supposed to be dead before they got to Moreno. But too often they weren?t.

?They blink. They make noises,? he said softly. ?The head moves, the eyes are wide and looking around.?

Still Moreno would cut. On bad days, he says, dozens of animals reached his station clearly alive and conscious. Some would survive as far as the tail cutter, the belly ripper, the hide puller.

?They die,? said Moreno, ?piece by piece.?
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Common mammal stunning methods:

Captive bolt stunning ? A ?pistol? is set against the animal?s head and a metal rod is thrust into the brain.Shooting a struggling animal is difficult, and the rod often misses its mark.16

Electric stunning ? Current produces a grand mal seizure; then the throat is cut. According to industry consultant Temple Grandin, PhD, ?Insufficient amperage can cause an animal to be paralyzed without losing sensibility.?17

Ritual slaughter ? Animals are fully conscious when their carotid arteries are cut. This is supposed to cause unconsciousness within seconds, but because of blood flow through the vertebral arteries in the back of the neck, some animals can remain conscious as they bleed for up to a minute.18 Additionally, Temple Grandin, PhD notes ?Unfortunately, there are some plants which use cruel methods of restraint such as hanging live animals upside down.?19 This can cause broken bones as the heavy animal hangs by a chain attached to one leg.
Enjoy :thumbsup

Webby 04-07-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12216889)
You can just put pennies in old socks and swing them about. That will stop that 6'5" criminal busting your door down to hurt your family. Im sooo glad I wasnt raised a brainwashed socialist....

Some folks don't even need that old sock Sticky :winkwink: Can think of a charming lady who is a US govt officer who specializes in broken jaw and collar bones :1orglaugh (It's getting to be a nasty habit!! *lol*) That's irrespective of the size of her assailant and that she "packs" a weapon or two.

MaDalton 04-07-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12216889)
You can just put pennies in old socks and swing them about. That will stop that 6'5" criminal busting your door down to hurt your family. Im sooo glad I wasnt raised a brainwashed socialist....

lol - you really believe that and call others brainwashed. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :helpme

BusterBunny 04-07-2007 03:46 PM

50 cal :ak47:

Webby 04-07-2007 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12217004)
lol - you really believe that and call others brainwashed. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :helpme

*eye roll* - it's almost embarrassing to witness this level of ... dunno... :winkwink:

Notice everything seems to be related to politics in some way? They could make they act of taking a piss a political issue *lol*

frank7799 04-07-2007 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12216621)
One of my buddies was telling me about the training he had to go thru just to fish there . . . I think they have really gone over the top with animal rights.

It has nothing to do with animal rights. Itīs simply to protect the owner of the fishing grounds or - as far as hunting is concerned - to prevent that everybody handles weapons or goes hunting.

You have to preconceive that handling weapons is totally different in the US and in Europe. So itīs not a big deal for Europeans to settle for not having the right to use or posess weapons without special licenses.

The right of hunting was reserved for the aristocracy in the middle ages in Europe. This right migrated to the government and itīs still there today.

uno 04-07-2007 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lacuna (Post 12216478)
All governments should have an inherent fear of their subjects. That's why the Founders put the 2nd Amendment into the Bill of Rights -- to help keep the government honest.

Look how well that has worked.

Webby 04-07-2007 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by uno (Post 12217066)
Look how well that has worked.

Sad stuff... other factor is any govt is there to *serve* and be accountable. There is a sad lacking of that - to the level that some serious asskicking is needed. And it's not just a problem with the US govt.

baddog 04-07-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12216787)
yeah, a driving license is easier to get - it's a little absurd

I found it amusing the process they have to go thru once the fish is caught to minimize its discomfort before hitting the grill

uno 04-07-2007 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12217087)
I found it amusing the process they have to go thru once the fish is caught to minimize its discomfort before hitting the grill

It's ok to eat fish cause they don't got any feelings.

baddog 04-07-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by m4yadult (Post 12217055)
It has nothing to do with animal rights. It´s simply to protect the owner of the fishing grounds or - as far as hunting is concerned - to prevent that everybody handles weapons or goes hunting.

Oh really? How is it protecting the owner of the fishing grounds to force the fisherman to smash in the head of the fish immediately after being caught?

Is it because German fish are so ferocious?

sarettah 04-07-2007 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by uno (Post 12217099)
It's ok to eat fish cause they don't got any feelings.

Tell that to the fish :disgust

sarettah 04-07-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12217113)
Is it because German fish are so ferocious?

Nazi Fish??? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/425571/nazi_fish/ :helpme

frank7799 04-07-2007 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12217113)
Oh really? How is it protecting the owner of the fishing grounds to force the fisherman to smash in the head of the fish immediately after being caught?

Is it because German fish are so ferocious?

Well, yes. German fish is something special.:1orglaugh

There are many regulations in German laws - some more or less needless. But there is an intention. And the reason is more or less the protection, though there are of course many other rules. Fishing without license for example is liable to penalty and youīll face up to 2 years in prison or fine.

So protection of animals is part of the exam for the license, but not the reason for that specific law.

baddog 04-07-2007 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4yadult (Post 12217212)
Well, yes. German fish is something special.:1orglaugh

There are many regulations in German laws - some more or less needless. But there is an intention. And the reason is more or less the protection, though there are of course many other rules. Fishing without license for example is liable to penalty and youīll face up to 2 years in prison or fine.

So protection of animals is part of the exam for the license, but not the reason for that specific law.

I don't know of anywhere that doesn't require you to have a license to fish, or have daily limits, or seasons to go after certain types of fish. That is to protect the speciaes.

Smacking the fish in the head so it doesn't suffocate is something else though.

sarettah 04-07-2007 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12217309)
Smacking the fish in the head so it doesn't suffocate is something else though.

But it does give the fish a fair chance to fight back :thumbsup

frank7799 04-07-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12217309)
I don't know of anywhere that doesn't require you to have a license to fish, or have daily limits, or seasons to go after certain types of fish. That is to protect the speciaes.

Smacking the fish in the head so it doesn't suffocate is something else though.

I agree. BTW Iīm not fishing, I only read the explanatory statement for that law cause I was interested in why it was enacted. Animal protection wasnīt mentioned.

MaDalton 04-07-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 12217394)
But it does give the fish a fair chance to fight back :thumbsup

nah, you eliminated all chances of fairness by keeping the guns to yourself and giving none to the animals

frank7799 04-07-2007 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 12217394)
But it does give the fish a fair chance to fight back :thumbsup

Depending on the fish, yes.

sarettah 04-07-2007 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12217412)
nah, you eliminated all chances of fairness by keeping the guns to yourself and giving none to the animals

Nah, you don't use guns for fishing... sheez.

You do use them for frogging though :thumbsup

dynastoned 04-07-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12215016)
my honest opinion:

no one needs any weapons, no individual person, no organization, no country.

if no one had weapons no one would need weapons

that's it

now flame away, you gunlovers :winkwink:

you will always need weapons no matter what, period. if you didn't need weapons you would not be human.

just because you live in a nice house and in a wealthy country you think weapons serve no purpose. well id like for you to think how you got there. how your country got to where it is. how you have the free will to do as you please and make a good life for yourself.

it's because you fought for all that long before you were born. you can't live nice without someone else paying the price and that is a fact.

THINK about it. if everyone threw down every single gun, missile, knife, anything today. what would happen? haha now do you get it?

all the poor people would come to your fucking neighborhood and they would fucking mob in the streets and start taking all you rich fuckers out one by one. they would take your house, your cars, your wife, everything.

same fucking concept with countries. you live next to a third world country? you think they want to be able to drink clean water too? FUCK YEAH they'd march right past all your unarmed guards and they would fucking get that water.

ITS HUMAN NATURE. get over it. its a dog eat dog world you fucking morons THATS LIFE. PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD THE END.

for every good thing that happens in the world there will always be a bad thing. for you morons with no concept of that keep crying about how bad guns are. you are only fooling yourself. :2 cents:

Grapesoda 04-07-2007 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12215016)
my honest opinion:

no one needs any weapons, no individual person, no organization, no country.

if no one had weapons no one would need weapons

that's it

now flame away, you gunlovers :winkwink:

if no one ever fucked we wouldn't need rubbers!!!

Webby 04-07-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 12217412)
nah, you eliminated all chances of fairness by keeping the guns to yourself and giving none to the animals

Just a sampling of idiots who think they need guns to screw up animals...

Had a tapir shot on our patch in the last year - the "perps" were macho idiots from another country who thought they were "big game hunting" (forget tresspassing) and they apparently used AK47's to shoot the tapir.

Now.. a tapir is a rare creature and in some areas on an endangered list. It is totally harmless and kinda shy (just digs up a load of soil). To replace that tapir it's gonna cost about $15-20K and found two in care at the moment, but depends on what others think - it may be better not to move em on to the land - will see.

At the same time as killing the tapir, they also shot three monkey's - again, totally harmless creatures.

Not saying everyone who holds a weapon has that mentality - but it's not uncommon. They are basically unfit to hold any weapon. Now we got rangers/guards who are armed and with instructions to use up to three warning rounds, then shoot any armed "poachers" as they judge fit. It may affect the tourist industry - but screw em.

Since then, there as been only one "intrusion" - armed again and also accompanied by dogs. I was not there at the time, but they were warned and sadly two dogs shot (and a couple of others "lost" and passed over into care). The perps on this occasion elected to disappear.

Bottom line.. screw around with guns and there is likely to be injury or worse.


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